Big C Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000927855/article/chiefs-gm-brett-veach-reggie-ragland-can-be-a-star Another former Bill turning heads elsewhere. Doesn't mean anything for us regarding fit, etc. Will be interesting to see how he does in his first year as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Rex said he was going to be DROY before his injury. I was always surprised they got rid of his so quickly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 He was pretty effective in KC from what I hear and saw. I didnt like losing him..but its not the end of the world. Hopefully it doesnt shape out to be a jerry hughes kinda miss for the Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Just now, kdiggz said: Rex said he was going to be DROY before his injury. I was always surprised they got rid of his so quickly Decent player who wasn't yet back to 100% when McBeane parted ways with him. Just not a McD preference at the position. He wants guys that can move and cover. Never one of Ragland's strengths. He showed some glimpses last year and I wish the kid well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Rex said he was going to be DROY before his injury. I was always surprised they got rid of his so quickly I think it was a scheme fit move *sigh* Ragland doesn't fit what McD wants in the defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Not sure he would of done well in McDermotts style defense. He’d of gotten exposed in coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 He’s a 3-4 ILB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 That was one of the problems with the constant turnover of coaching staffs: We drafted players to fit one scheme, only to get rid of them and draft different players for the next scheme... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 yup different scheme. he fits in the 3-4 and we run a 4-3 with an MLB that can cover. Since we don't have anyone at that position yet, this kind of hurts. It would have been nice to get a 2nd for him. We'll see who they pick and how it all adds up soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Bills are going to steal Fred Warner in the late 2nd or first pick in the 3rd and everyone will forget we ever needed a MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Epstein's Mother said: Does this mean the Bills shoulda kept Rex? No Rex should have kept Schwartz and just be the HC. He would still be HC now if he had not changed the defense. He was fine with the players and with game management. 2015 they had top 10 offense and Rex's defense got worse every week. Losing A. Williams hurt but it was the scheme that destroyed the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 32 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: He was pretty effective in KC from what I hear and saw. I didnt like losing him..but its not the end of the world. Hopefully it doesnt shape out to be a jerry hughes kinda miss for the Colts. Even if not a fit as a starter, I probably would’ve kept him as a package player on that cheap contract and realistically Little trade compensation but not a huge deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Dadonkadonk said: No Rex should have kept Schwartz and just be the HC. He would still be HC now if he had not changed the defense. He was fine with the players and with game management. 2015 they had top 10 offense and Rex's defense got worse every week. Losing A. Williams hurt but it was the scheme that destroyed the defense. When they interviewed Schwartz for the HC job he was asked if he would stay on as DC if he didn't get the job. He flat out told them no. That was more than a week before Rex was interviewed. Hiring Rex probably made it even easier for Schwartz to walk away but he couldn't do that until he was fired because he would have forfeited his $2m salary. Schwartz and Rex just isn't a good match. Rex is too much the blowhard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said: No Rex should have kept Schwartz and just be the HC. He would still be HC now if he had not changed the defense. He was fine with the players and with game management. 2015 they had top 10 offense and Rex's defense got worse every week. Losing A. Williams hurt but it was the scheme that destroyed the defense. I'll put you in the Rex was misguided camp then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 That's one move I really disliked last year... He definitely has the pedigree to produce at a high level in this league. McBeane pulled the trigger too soon imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I bet he is a solid starter who flashes from time to time more than a pro bowl player. At the time it felt like they rushed to get him off the roster before he was healthy. I guess they felt he would never fit the scheme . Let's see what they make out of the draft pick next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, Epstein's Mother said: Does this mean the Bills shoulda kept Rex? Sounds a little like projection on your part, as I didn't mention Rex at all. It was a general statement about the drawbacks of not having continuity, not about any particular hiring or firing. For what it's worth, I was never a fan of Rex. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: That's one move I really disliked last year... He definitely has the pedigree to produce at a high level in this league. McBeane pulled the trigger too soon imo. But in a very scheme specific role. He’s be great as a thumper under schwartz for instance but not so much sideline to sideline for us. for a blow off pick though - I’d take 3 years of him in goal line or “and short” packages and think he’d still be better than most league minimum backups in case of injury despite scheme challenges... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Sounds a little like projection on your part, as I didn't mention Rex at all. It was a general statement about the drawbacks of not having continuity, not about any particular hiring or firing. For what it's worth, I was never a fan of Rex. Only kidding friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Just a wasted draft pick lost in the constant coaching churn . Hopefully that trend stops for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Ragland is a pounder that has a nose for the ball. Unfortunately we don't run the right scheme for him and didn't have the coverage abilities to play in McDermott/Frazier defense. That being said I wish him well just wishing we had gotten more for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 37 minutes ago, K-9 said: When they interviewed Schwartz for the HC job he was asked if he would stay on as DC if he didn't get the job. He flat out told them no. That was more than a week before Rex was interviewed. Hiring Rex probably made it even easier for Schwartz to walk away but he couldn't do that until he was fired because he would have forfeited his $2m salary. Schwartz and Rex just isn't a good match. Rex is too much the blowhard. Anyone ever heard of hardball? Why would Schwartz offer his services at DC when he wanted to be HC? He would've stayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Just now, jmc12290 said: Anyone ever heard of hardball? Why would Schwartz offer his services at DC when he wanted to be HC? He would've stayed. Other than flat out saying he wouldn't, yeah, he would have stayed. Schwartz simply wasn't interested in staying unless he was promoted to HC. That simple. Besides, do you not see the potential toxicity of working for Rex Ryan and retaining a scheme that was foreign to the HC? With the entourage of Rex's sycophants in tow? Schwartz would have been miserable. He did the right thing by taking the time off, collecting his $2m and surveying the landscape before jumping back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I have always felt that they should have promoted Schwartz to head coach. His defense was very good and hopefully he would have learned from his experience in Detroit. Rex doesn't hold his team to account. He's pretty much a blowhard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Epstein's Mother said: Does this mean the Bills shoulda kept Rex? No. Marrone is the guy they should’ve kept. Rex is a bum who rode his charm and dad & Marvin Lewis’s coat tails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said: That was one of the problems with the constant turnover of coaching staffs: We drafted players to fit one scheme, only to get rid of them and draft different players for the next scheme... Yes. . 1 hour ago, Epstein's Mother said: Does this mean the Bills shoulda kept Rex? ...and NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, Augie said: ...and NO! No kidding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Perfect example of how damaging constant scheme changes can be to teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 S. L. O. W.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I don't know many two-down, thumper 3-4 ILBs that are "stars" any more. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Other than flat out saying he wouldn't, yeah, he would have stayed. Schwartz simply wasn't interested in staying unless he was promoted to HC. That simple. Besides, do you not see the potential toxicity of working for Rex Ryan and retaining a scheme that was foreign to the HC? With the entourage of Rex's sycophants in tow? Schwartz would have been miserable. He did the right thing by taking the time off, collecting his $2m and surveying the landscape before jumping back in. Yeah, that's what he said. If the Bills hired an offensive HC, and pitched Schwartz "we have the same awesome DL coming back, everyone will know the defense is yours," I think there's a really good chance he stays. The Rex hire effectively killed that possibility and he was definitely gone after Rex showed up. But before Rex was hired, Schwartz was still in play. Edited April 21, 2018 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I liked Ragland, a lot. I thought he was going to be our Bart Scott in Rex's defense. I think he will grade out as a top 15 ILB this year. He's just not the kind of LB to fit our scheme. He would probably just be another Preston Brown type. I think he excels in that KC defense this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 2 hours ago, CuddyDark said: Bills are going to steal Fred Warner in the late 2nd or first pick in the 3rd and everyone will forget we ever needed a MLB. Isn't he an edge setting OLB??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 The young defensive around the NFL that was on the Bills the last 3-4 is unreal. Terrible management ruined a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Epstein's Mother said: Does this mean the Bills shoulda kept Rex? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Typical. This is what happens when your new gm guts his roster just to spite the old gm. Beane kinda sucks compared to Whaley. He has already made several critical errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Carter said: Typical. This is what happens when your new gm guts his roster just to spite the old gm. Beane kinda sucks compared to Whaley. He has already made several critical errors. Playoff appearances: Beane - 1 Every other GM the previous 17 years - 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Carter said: Typical. This is what happens when your new gm guts his roster just to spite the old gm. It's a big stretch to think Beane gutted the roster just to spite the old gm Just as it was a mistake to think we had so few draft picks remaining on our roster because Whaley couldn't draft talent The truth is, whenever a new coach comes in, he evaluates talent differently; the ideal player for his scheme looks different Coaching continuity is paramount to success in the NFL BUT You have to have a good coach first! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's a big stretch to think Beane gutted the roster just to spite the old gm Just as it was a mistake to think we had so few draft picks remaining on our roster because Whaley couldn't draft talent The truth is, whenever a new coach comes in, he evaluates talent differently; the ideal player for his scheme looks different Coaching continuity is paramount to success in the NFL BUT You have to have a good coach first! No it is not a stretch. It was so apparent, everyone thought they were tanking on purpose. Beane gutted everything Whaley did well, just to spite him. He is still doing it (see T Rod). A selfish GM is never a good GM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Coaching continuity is paramount to success in the NFL BUT You have to have a good coach first! This is exactly my point! When someone posts that players like Ragland are drafted by one staff and then don't fit the scheme of the next of course that's not a good thing. That's why I posed the question "Does this mean the Bills shoulda kept Rex?". Of course they did the right thing by firing him! You have to find the right coach. The question when read within context is rhetorical. The answer is understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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