frostbitmic Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I'd take Rosen over Darnold but he's not my first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Darnold won't turn 21 till this summer. Rosen just turned 21, same as Jackson. Allen will be 22 next month. Mayfield just turned 23. Compare: Wentz was 23 when drafted. Goff 21. Trubisky 22.5. This is part of what's so difficult. In some ways it's like the MLB draft: do you go with the best athlete in high school, or do you go with the more polished college kid? It would be reasonable to assume that the 23 year old is more ready (physically and mentally) to step right in, and that was certainly the case with Wentz. And given free agency and QB contracts, maybe you don't want to waste a year or two as the younger guy matures? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Rosen but I think the Bills would be happy with either him or Darnold. Both guys project as bona fide starters with "franchise" ceilings. Allen's ceiling is "elite" but the odds are against his ever getting there. Having said that, if Allen drops to 12, which may be unlikely, I would not be stunned if Beane drafted him. He's not much of a fan favourite but I think much of the hype is a genuine reflection of how at least some pro evaluators see him as a prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, starrymessenger said: Rosen but I think the Bills would be happy with either him or Darnold. Both guys project as bona fide starters with "franchise" ceilings. Allen's ceiling is "elite" but the odds are against his ever getting there. Having said that, if Allen drops to 12, which may be unlikely, I would not be stunned if Beane drafted him. He's not much of a fan favourite but I think much of the hype is a genuine reflection of how at least some pro evaluators see him as a prospect. I like the top four. I would be surprised if Allen drops to 12. I think there's a better chance Rosen falls a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I've got Darnold by a hair. Really like Rosen too though... My top 6 are a little different than some: Darnold Rosen Mayfield Rudolph Allen Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Still amusing to me that in the TBD universe, Josh Allen sucks and isn't worth of getting drafted on Thursday or Friday but meanwhile, in reality, a lot of people have him going first overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Just now, metzelaars_lives said: Still amusing to me that in the TBD universe, Josh Allen sucks and isn't worth of getting drafted on Thursday or Friday but meanwhile, in reality, a lot of people have him going first overall. Not everyone here hates Allen. He's my second choice after Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, metzelaars_lives said: Still amusing to me that in the TBD universe, Josh Allen sucks and isn't worth of getting drafted on Thursday or Friday but meanwhile, in reality, a lot of people have him going first overall. I don't mind Allen. I think he deserves to go in the 1st round, but in back half specifically and only because of his accuracy. Like everything else about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) I think Darnold has the upside to be Rosen with mobility and durability but I would certainly not be unhappy with either. Clearly the two best QB prospects without the risk of Mayfield, Allen or Jackson. Edited April 21, 2018 by Woodman19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Also consider this. Sam Darnold had 36 turnovers in 27 games. How is this even a discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Forget all the political and character "issues" Because the guy has a brain and thinks for himself and isn't a robot and he is Consensus 1st pick. So you say what about injury concerns, did he pass his physical and have no limitations if so what is the real concern there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 2 hours ago, horned dogs said: I agree with everything you said, except the bolded. It would still not surprise me to see both gone in the TOP 3. A couple of ways they both fall out out of top 3 is Giants don't go QB, browns go BPA @1 and qb@4, or browns go Allen #1 I think Jets are set on Mayfield (hunch) I think Browns might go for the lottery ticket with Allen at 4 and Chubb/Barkley #1 I think Giants pass on a QB, but I think the only one they'd go for is Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, Woodman19 said: I think Darnold has the upside to be Rosen with mobility and durability but I would certainly not be unhappy with either. Clearly the two best QB prospects without the risk of Mayfield, Allen or Jackson. That is definitely not "clear." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) Rosen would be my 1st choice, assuming they vet him and are comfortable with his character/injury history. If they have serious questions about Rosen, then I'd say take Darnold. Ultimately, id be absolutely thrilled with either one! Edited April 21, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Rosen. The more I watch of him, the more convinced I am that he's closer to Peyton Manning, Rodgers, or even Brady than anyone in this draft by a long shot, maybe even better than Luck coming out. I mean as far as reading defenses, and just picking apart a secondary. Darnold and Mayfield I'd be ok with, but Rosen is the man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Rosen. The more I watch of him, the more convinced I am that he's closer to Peyton Manning, Rodgers, or even Brady than anyone in this draft by a long shot, maybe even better than Luck coming out. I mean as far as reading defenses, and just picking apart a secondary. Darnold and Mayfield I'd be ok with, but Rosen is the man I agree. My only concern with Rosen is what appears to be a more fragile frame. (I don't care at all about nebulous "character" issues/smears.) But very often the guy who seems to be the greater injury risk turns out in the NFL to be the more durable, sometimes because that pocket passer guy avoids the types of plays that get him injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: A couple of ways they both fall out out of top 3 is Giants don't go QB, browns go BPA @1 and qb@4, or browns go Allen #1 I think Jets are set on Mayfield (hunch) I think Browns might go for the lottery ticket with Allen at 4 and Chubb/Barkley #1 I think Giants pass on a QB, but I think the only one they'd go for is Darnold. What do you think the Broncos do if both are available? If they don't want qb, they could trade back and get a nice payout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: I agree. My only concern with Rosen is what appears to be a more fragile frame. (I don't care at all about nebulous "character" issues/smears.) But very often the guy who seems to be the greater injury risk turns out in the NFL to be the more durable, sometimes because that pocket passer guy avoids the types of plays that get him injured. He can always pack on a few pounds, but you can't teach the underlying intelligence that he already has....not enough to make say Matt Ryan into Tom Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: I agree. My only concern with Rosen is what appears to be a more fragile frame. (I don't care at all about nebulous "character" issues/smears.) But very often the guy who seems to be the greater injury risk turns out in the NFL to be the more durable, sometimes because that pocket passer guy avoids the types of plays that get him injured. Rosen is heavier than Darnold and he is only 21 and can pack on more weight. But 6'4" 226 is pretty solid. Also consider that Darnold likes to run and hit people, played LB in high school. Who is more likely to get hurt? The guy who likes to run and initiate contact or the pocket passer who will throw it out of bounds? How often do pocket passers in the NFL get hit? Brady never gets hit it's crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffAlone said: He can always pack on a few pounds, but you can't teach the underlying intelligence that he already has....not enough to make say Matt Ryan into Tom Brady. Funny, because I was about to compare him to Matt Ryan. Which would be fine with me even if he isn't quite Brady .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Darnold. But I like Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: Rosen is heavier than Darnold and he is only 21 and can pack on more weight. But 6'4" 226 is pretty solid. Also consider that Darnold likes to run and hit people, played LB in high school. Who is more likely to get hurt? The guy who likes to run and initiate contact or the pocket passer who will throw it out of bounds? How often do pocket passers in the NFL get hit? Brady never gets hit it's crazy Yeah, I think that's right. Darnold has that kind of fearlessness that gets you in trouble in the NFL, even though I enjoy watching it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: What do you think the Broncos do if both are available? If they don't want qb, they could trade back and get a nice payout. Agreed I was just responding to them getting picked top 3 I expect 3 QBs gone in top5, maybe 4 guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Also consider this. Sam Darnold had 36 turnovers in 27 games. How is this even a discussion? Because it’s a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, metzelaars_lives said: That is definitely not "clear." Should have specified Passing from the pocket QB prospects* Edited April 21, 2018 by Woodman19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, metzelaars_lives said: Still amusing to me that in the TBD universe, Josh Allen sucks and isn't worth of getting drafted on Thursday or Friday but meanwhile, in reality, a lot of people have him going first overall. That's a strawman, alot of people on here just don't have him as their first QB. Personally, 1 Rosen 2 Darnold 3 Mayfield 4 Allen 5 Jackson 6 Rudolph. The Bills love Darnold and want him. Just a different view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I lean Darnold over Rosen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 3 hours ago, NewEraBills said: I think Darnold is their guy but Rosen is the one they are more likely to land and of course, then he'll be the guy they wanted all along. I believe this to be true as well. I think they would prefer Darnold but he seems unattainable with everyone believing he goes #1 or #2 to the Giants if they hold their position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: I believe this to be true as well. I think they would prefer Darnold but he seems unattainable with everyone believing he goes #1 or #2 to the Giants if they hold their position. Only hope on Darnold is Browns pass on him and that Beane has worked out a deal with Giants if they do so. If G-men want Darnold, we will be trying for whoever is left after the Jets' pick. Edited April 21, 2018 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Darnold but I'd be very happy with either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 4 hours ago, White Linen said: I don't want either. We have too many holes to worry about QB. I don't like or want either too. Unless one falls and then I hope it's Darnold. Buffalo needs a blue collar guy who can play in the cold with those swirling winds at the Ralph, err New Era. Someone with a strong arm who can throw on the run and can take a hit without getting injured or turning the ball over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I go back and forth. Honestly can't decide. But at this point I do have them a tier above the rest of the prospects. Boy, if we come away with either I may just cry tears of joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Darnold has some magic to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Who's hands are bigger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 6 hours ago, ColdFront_USAF said: It always blows my mind how much projections change between the end of the college season and the draft. No more games will be played, yet prospects fly all over the consensus draft boards anyways. After months of seeing Darnold and Rosen mocked to picks 1 and 2, it would seem many now expect them to fall. In this hypothetical, we're able to get to 5 or 6 with both of these guys on the board. My choice is Rosen. Darnold may well end up being the better of the two, but right now he isn't. His improvisation skills are amazing, but his hitch in his throwing motion, propensity for turnovers and his happy feet in the pocket have me worried. I like his potential, but I'm not sold. Rosen on the other hand is as pro ready as they come. Textbook mechanics, great in the quick pass game which will benefit guys like Benjamin quite a bit, and the rare ability to manipulate the defense with his eyes and pump fakes while scanning the field very quickly. I see a lot of Manning in him, the way he's looked at as the more 'cerebral' prospect. Who do you pick? Mayfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 It's pretty much pick your poison... Darnold will be bad with turnovers, and Rosen will be banged-up by his third start.. Can putting this off 'til next year, and taking Drew Lock be an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 My heart will miss a beat every time Rosen gets sacked and his head bounces off the turf. That just might be bad for me! I’m thrilled with either, but lean Darnold mostly because the concussions scare me, especially for a guy who isn’t know for being overly nimble who is playing behind a revamped OLine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I would go with Darnold. Rosen is also a great QB and if we take him great. The concussions just give me pause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I'd be happy with either. They're the only 2 QBs that I have zero doubt will succeed with the Bills. Both are accurate, pure passers. Darnold is tougher and has the better arm, but Rosen is just a natural. He makes it look effortless. It's a win win, either way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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