ColdFront_USAF Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 It always blows my mind how much projections change between the end of the college season and the draft. No more games will be played, yet prospects fly all over the consensus draft boards anyways. After months of seeing Darnold and Rosen mocked to picks 1 and 2, it would seem many now expect them to fall. In this hypothetical, we're able to get to 5 or 6 with both of these guys on the board. My choice is Rosen. Darnold may well end up being the better of the two, but right now he isn't. His improvisation skills are amazing, but his hitch in his throwing motion, propensity for turnovers and his happy feet in the pocket have me worried. I like his potential, but I'm not sold. Rosen on the other hand is as pro ready as they come. Textbook mechanics, great in the quick pass game which will benefit guys like Benjamin quite a bit, and the rare ability to manipulate the defense with his eyes and pump fakes while scanning the field very quickly. I see a lot of Manning in him, the way he's looked at as the more 'cerebral' prospect. Who do you pick? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, ColdFront_USAF said: It always blows my mind how much projections change between the end of the college season and the draft. No more games will be played, yet prospects fly all over the consensus draft boards anyways. After months of seeing Darnold and Rosen mocked to picks 1 and 2, it would seem many now expect them to fall. In this hypothetical, we're able to get to 5 or 6 with both of these guys on the board. My choice is Rosen. Darnold may well end up being the better of the two, but right now he isn't. His improvisation skills are amazing, but his hitch in his throwing motion, propensity for turnovers and his happy feet in the pocket have me worried. I like his potential, but I'm not sold. Rosen on the other hand is as pro ready as they come. Textbook mechanics, great in the quick pass game which will benefit guys like Benjamin quite a bit, and the rare ability to manipulate the defense with his eyes and pump fakes while scanning the field very quickly. I see a lot of Manning in him, the way he's looked at as the more 'cerebral' prospect. Who do you pick? I agree with everything you said, except the bolded. It would still not surprise me to see both gone in the TOP 3. Edited April 21, 2018 by horned dogs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Rosen. But I’m wrong 9 times out of 10. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickrage Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Rosen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Rosen. Best pure passer and cerebral QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted April 21, 2018 Author Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, horned dogs said: I agree with everything you say, except the bolded. It would still not surprise me to see both gone in the TOP 3. For clarifaction, it's not what I expect to happen. Just the narrative being sent out by the media, which as we all know has little to no bearing on reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Darnold's been injured less and has a better winning percentage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I am very happy with either but my first choice is Sam Darnold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I think Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield will all have good NFL careers. Hall of famer like Kelly, Elway and Marino a doubt but still solid NFL starters. Take your pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I think Darnold is their guy but Rosen is the one they are more likely to land and of course, then he'll be the guy they wanted all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Darnold. But I’d take Rosen if Darnold wasn’t part of the thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I am a Rosen guy but Darnold is right there with him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Would love either one. All things considered, I would probably be most filled with hope and optimism if they got Darnold. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, DFT said: Rosen. But I’m wrong 9 times out of 10. Rosen, and I'm right 9 outta 10! If we get Rosen, I'm 100% certain we have our franchise guy, provided he can stay healthy. With Darnold, I feel it's a 50/50 toss up if he can improve and become good enough to be a true franchise QB. Edited April 21, 2018 by peterpan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I think darnold will be a franchise guy, but not elite. I'm thinking he will have an Alex Smith/ Andy Dalton type of career. I think Rosen could be a top 5 qb type, if he can stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Chosen Rosen. Darnold exists only because Rosen chose UCLA over USC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Rosen is second choice after Allen Best case scenario for Buffalo, the first three picks are Darnold, Barkely, Mayfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Mayfield 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Darnold... My issues with Rosen are mostly due to my concerns about his ability to stay healthy long term... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Either. Praying for either one and beginning to come around to the idea of doing anything to get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I'm not sure which will turn out better. So as a fan I take Rosen, because I think his high profile will be a nice change for Buffalo. The Bills will be higher profile and maybe have some fun or interesting media exposure. Plus I can do all kinds of stuff with calling him "Moses Rosen" who will lead us to the promised land and so on. As a coach I take Darnold because his mouth is closed. That would be way easier on my nerves and I could just coach and do my job and not have to worry about dealing with things he said. Of the top 5, so far as I know, the ONLY one who has his mouth closed is Sam Darnold. No twitter, no instagram, no youtube promo videos, no expressing his philosophy. The guy knows you keep his mouth shut like a rookie should. To some degree the other guys are all doing promotional work to sell themselves. Stuff like "telling their story". But at this point their story is they are an undrafted rookie who has shown nothing in the NFL. So I think Darnold is smartest about that, because he seems to know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I am 100% Rosen but would be also very happy with Darnold or Mayfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I'll take either one but given the choice, give me Darnold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I don't want either. We have too many holes to worry about QB. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Darnold is my number 1 choice. I think he is tougher, better at improvising, and a better leader than Rosen. I would be happy with Rosen but Darnold is a once a decade QB prospect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 If given a choice, I'd pick Darnold. I think his ceiling is higher and I don't question his durability. Rosen is a solid choice as well, however. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) Everyone who wants Darnold, consider this. He would have been on the bench and this would be his first season as a starter in college if Rosen had gone to USC instead of UCLA. Rosen was the #1 QB in the country and the top recruit in California. A 5 star recruit. At the Elite 11 camp, Rosen is selected and Darnold is not. Ricky Town is also selected and he is the USC Trojan's top QB recruit. Darnold is the other QB in the class and a lot wasn't expected of him. He might have sat behind Town but Town decided to leave USC because Cody Kesller was the starter and he wanted to play. Darnold redshirted and waited for his turn. Then he had 1 good season and 1 not as good season and now he's NFL ready? I don't buy it. He might have been on the bench at USC if things didn't fall his way. Edited April 21, 2018 by kdiggz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Everyone who wants Darnold, consider this. He would have been on the bench and this would be his first season as a starter in college if Rosen had gone to USC instead of UCLA. Rosen was the #1 QB in the country and the top recruit in California. A 5 star recruit. Rosen vs Darnold at Elite 11 camp, Rosen is selected and Darnold is not. Ricky Town is also selected and he is the USC Trojan's top QB recruit. Darnold is the other QB in the class and a lot wasn't expected of him. He might have sat behind Town but Town decided to leave USC because Cody Kesller was the starter and he wanted to play. Darnold redshirted and waited for his turn. Then he had 1 good season and 1 not as good season and now he's NFL ready? I don't buy it. He might have been on the bench at USC if things didn't fall his way. Hypotheticals mean nothing, though. Darnold didn't, as it happens, sit on the bench waiting his turn. Teams evaluate the players, take into account performance, character, injury concerns, team fit, ceiling, floor, etc. Darnold is more creative and durable. Rosen has a perfect throwing motion and intelligence. They're both fine choices. Edited April 21, 2018 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said: Darnold... My issues with Rosen are mostly due to my concerns about his ability to stay healthy long term... I agree with this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essential Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Not only do I think Rosen will be better, I think he's a better fit for what we want to run on offense, and we can get him later, keeping more picks. Yes, there is a slight injury concern, but I think it's overblown, and I'm not worried about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Rosen. It’s not close. But I’ve not done much real research this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Also consider this. We aren't getting Darnold unless we trade up to pick 2. The cost to get to 2 will likely be 12, 22, 53, 65, next year's 1st. Compare that to the cost to get to 5-7 for Rosen and it is likely to be 12, 22, 65. Not only is Rosen a better QB but he's MUCH cheaper. Think of what kind of player you can get with the extra picks. At pick 53 maybe you get a great deep threat receiver like DJ Chark. And next year's 1st is likely to be a top 10 pick! We can get a pro bowl type player. All of this in addition to Rosen who is already better than Darnold! Even the Darnold people will admit Rosen is better right now but they guess that something could change that in the future. Well if you know the future please let me know the lottery numbers. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Even the Darnold people will admit Rosen is better right now but they guess that something could change that in the future. Well if you know the future please let me know the lottery numbers. Thank you But the draft is literally all about projection. Will Rosen stay healthy or not? Will Allen reach his potential? How would Mayfield react to the bright lights of NYC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 We should be so lucky as to have either one of them come Thursday..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: But the draft is literally all about projection. Will Rosen stay healthy or not? Will Allen reach his potential? How would Mayfield react to the bright lights of NYC? And that's why teams miss because you can't predict the future. Just get the best player. As long as there's no red flags like he likes to do drugs or slack off or murder people then it's all good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Hypotheticals mean nothing, though. Darnold didn't, as it happens, sit on the bench waiting his turn. Teams evaluate the players, take into account performance, character, injury concerns, team fit, ceiling, floor, etc. Darnold is more creative and durable. Rosen has a perfect throwing motion and intelligence. They're both fine choices. Didn't Michael Jordan get cut from his high school team? I mean the world would have been different if he'd quit right then and there. Edited April 21, 2018 by horned dogs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Darnolphsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 58 minutes ago, White Linen said: I don't want either. We have too many holes to worry about QB. If we get our franchise QB well will have 15+ years to fill all the holes That's what she said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Rosen. I would be very happy with Darnold though so long as Rosen doesn't go to the Pats or especially Miami. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Rosen. He has an efficient delivery an is very accurate. Every time I watched him, just thinking he looks like a top NFL QB. Darnold has that funky motion, which does work, but worries. I do love Darnold's mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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