Beast Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Make it a punt to start the game. You can also get a first down if you fake it and get 10 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeane Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Make it a punt to start the game. You can also get a first down if you fake it and get 10 yards. That is kind of what I was thinking about when I saw this. How do you have onside kicks if there is no kick off? They would really need to find a way to incorporate something like this if they did away with the kick off. Otherwise how would many late game comebacks actually happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheBeane said: That is kind of what I was thinking about when I saw this. How do you have onside kicks if there is no kick off? They would really need to find a way to incorporate something like this if they did away with the kick off. Otherwise how would many late game comebacks actually happen? Rock, Paper, Scissors? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, rodneykm said: Just another part of the beginning of the end of the NFL as you currently know it. I honestly think that in 30 to 40 years you won't recognize the game at all -- if it even exists anymore. They are scared if they dont make changes, you are correct, there will not be a league. Say what you want about "the players know the risks" , there are several activities the government will not allow you to do even though you willing acknowledge the risk. 1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said: As if kickoffs matter anymore. People need to stop complaining. They’re only really useful if an onside is needed. 22 minutes ago, TheBeane said: That is kind of what I was thinking about when I saw this. How do you have onside kicks if there is no kick off? They would really need to find a way to incorporate something like this if they did away with the kick off. Otherwise how would many late game comebacks actually happen? That Polian league will allow the team that is behind to get one play, from thier 35, to gain 10 yards and maintain possession instead of the onside kick. They have already stated no kickoffs. I thnk they are out of the NFL in 3 years, and i have no issue with it. Edited March 28, 2018 by plenzmd1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cudi Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said: allow kickoffs to go out of bounds like punts and you'll see a lot fewer returns. That rule essentially forces a kickoff return play Then you'll have to move it back again or even further than it was before or else you'll have teams starting at the 5 because the kickers will just coffin corner them down in there EVERYTIME. And just imagine the confusion of the referees trying to decide where a high kickoff went out of bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 The more the game changes I less excited I get to watch it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, FappyTheClown said: I love watching a kickoff return for a TD, although that barely happens anymore. I just looked up a stat sheet and it only listed 6 that happened last season I still want them in the game. Meh. I loved them too. But they used to be I think like 12-18 a season before, so I mean they weren't crazy common before Either way, can we get the "music City miracle" stricken from record if this goes through?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Might as well just end the game itself. It’s frikken football, tired of the sissifying of the league. Stop making the game so soft. When you strap that chin, you know all the possible outcomes that comes with the sport. My apologies to anyone offended lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 You all realize this means no more onside kicks right? That would suck. How does a team down 2 scores late in a game stand a chance. I know it’s a long shot, but it is often an exciting one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: You all realize this means no more onside kicks right? That would suck. How does a team down 2 scores late in a game stand a chance. I know it’s a long shot, but it is often an exciting one. They could make it voluntary - meaning you can choose to kick off if you want or you can just choose to hand the ball to the other team on the 25. That would eliminate the stupid - kick it out the back of the endzone plays and still allow for onside kicks. Although I am not sure how that would decrease injuries assuming injuries are only occurring when a returner actually runs with the ball. Edited March 28, 2018 by PolishDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Let's hope this is the start to getting did of all special teams. Bills have pioneered this for the last 20 years outside of a Pro Bowl punter 2 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: I would assume more injuries occur during punting plays. I always assumed the most dangerous time was in a blowout and the leading team puts the second string in, out for scalps and the next contract, against the tired and overmatched losing team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 44 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said: Might as well just end the game itself. It’s frikken football, tired of the sissifying of the league. Stop making the game so soft. When you strap that chin, you know all the possible outcomes that comes with the sport. My apologies to anyone offended lol. I think some rational efforts to protect the athletes are fine, but there's no doubt that the prevailing sensibility is just as much a cultural product of a particular ethos promoted by universities and elite culture as it is a determination of science. Regardless, I fear it is a losing cause. One will be treated as a regrettable dinosaur addicted to gratutious and dangerous displays of machismo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 hours ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: XFL is going to be what the NFL was in it's prime, before all the rule changes. Except the good players and ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Except the good players and ratings. the NFL does have a monopoly on the 50 players that honestly could be considered good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Let's hope this is the start to getting did of all special teams. 1 It's like you live just to cause me pain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: A couple posts above yours there's a tweet from Kevin Seifert that says concussions happen at 5 times the normal rate on kickoff returns. It isn't worth it for a play that very rarely means anything. Myself personally, I think starting field position can be very important. Fans want entertainment and when you continue to take danger out of the equation the NFL suffers the consequences in my humble opinion.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Blokestradamus said: It's like you live just to cause me pain Did you live thru his roid rage suggestion to trade our starting DE for John Skelton? If so you can survive anything by laughing at suggestion he is a QB expert as he has called himself. The thread was SO embarrASSing TSW needed to go to new software to bury the bodies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Two teams running full speed at each other makes me think kickoffs should be done with. I am for the change of no kickoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Did you live thru his roid rage suggestion to trade our starting DE for John Skelton? If so you can survive anything by laughing at suggestion he is a QB expert as he has called himself. The thread was SO embarrASSing TSW needed to go to new software to bury the bodies. I think I understand what you're saying. We need 11 backup QB's per roster to cover kicks and we can keep BB on side. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: kitty football, you might as well turn it to flag football. I sure they would but players kneel for flags. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb62 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Kick off from the 45, most will be kicked out of the end zone and then you get it at the 25. However, on side kicks would be much more worth the gamble so it isn't an automatic boring play like the old extra point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 23 minutes ago, Herb62 said: Kick off from the 45, most will be kicked out of the end zone and then you get it at the 25. However, on side kicks would be much more worth the gamble so it isn't an automatic boring play like the old extra point. That is a very interesting suggestion. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) The biggest positive that would come from this is the Bills not wasting a roster spot on a kickoff specialist Edited March 28, 2018 by stevewin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 It's always something when kickoffs get punted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 10 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: It's like you live just to cause me pain lol, Why is that ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 15 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: They have to strike a balance, but no Kickoffs is fundamentally changing the game. Yeah. The game has to be changed. They're giving them a chance to bring down the injuries. If they can't, this makes sense. 12 hours ago, Herb62 said: Kick off from the 45, most will be kicked out of the end zone and then you get it at the 25. However, on side kicks would be much more worth the gamble so it isn't an automatic boring play like the old extra point. The article mentions that a lot of injuries occurred even on touchbacks, before the ball is whistled dead. Interesting thinking but it wouldn't appear to address the problem. And I don't agree that onside kicks would be much more worth it ten yards down. Teams would be even more and better prepared for onside kicks as they'd be the only reason to have a real kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) Pretty sure CTE is caused by, or can be caused by, many small blows to the head adding up over time. The type that occur on every play and have nothing to do with kickoffs in particular. An OL, for example, who slams into an opponent on every single play, can be at greater risk for CTE than a skill position guy who gets lit up every now and again, despite the OL never getting lit up during his career. So, as to how banning kickoffs improves player safety is unclear. Edited March 29, 2018 by Fadingpain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 If you eliminate it put the ball at the 20 instead of the 25. I'm sick of offenses benefiting from nearly all of these rule changes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 20 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Pretty sure CTE is caused by, or can be caused by, many small blows to the head adding up over time. The type that occur on every play and have nothing to do with kickoffs in particular. An OL, for example, who slams into an opponent on every single play, can be at greater risk for CTE than a skill position guy who gets lit up every now and again, despite the OL never getting lit up during his career. So, as to how banning kickoffs improves player safety is unclear. CTE is caused when a hit to the head (any hit), causes the release of Tau protein into the brain. While there are still studies being conducted on how to test (2 years ago, there was no test for living patients), brain mapping has now shown a direct correlation to the higher impact hits, where velocity develops (i.e. kickoffs, pass defense, momentum tackles). The NFL has vastly improved the equipment over the last 5 years that minimizes smaller, more compact hits. What is being discussed is the momentum hits, where equipment development is irrelevant due to the amount of trauma these hits deliver. What the NFL does, is expected to ripple down across all leagues. Right now, the concern is the growing amount of young players that are showing pre-CTE symptoms during medical testing at the combine. What the NFL is doing about this is actually pretty amazing. They know the risk and the impact these changes could have on earnings. They don’t care. They are trying to protect players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 16 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: As if kickoffs matter anymore. People need to stop complaining. They’re only really useful if an onside is needed. OK, so if there is no kickoff at all, what will happen when an onside kick is needed? 16 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: allow kickoffs to go out of bounds like punts and you'll see a lot fewer returns. That rule essentially forces a kickoff return play If they removed this rule, every drive would start from the 5 yard line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Kickoffs returns are very exciting. This will hurt the game...nothing worse than getting excited for opening kickoff then ball goes out of the endzone for a touchback...Back when Spiller and McGee were returning kicks....always a chance for a TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: lol, Why is that ?? If I can no longer scout kickers, punters & gunners, I'll need a new hobby! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 17 hours ago, Virgil said: What percentage of them come on kickoffs? The opening kickoff is such a mainstay of the game. It’s the opening pitch, the face off, and tip off. I just cant imagine football without it Plus the onside kick is eliminated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Xwnyer said: Plus the onside kick is eliminated Now that is straight baloney However, it would be helpful against the Dolphins as we apparently didn’t practice those anyways Edited March 29, 2018 by Virgil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 5 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: If I can no longer scout kickers, punters & gunners, I'll need a new hobby! Just think , now you can scout real players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 Steve Tasker built his NFL career around covering kicks and he’ll be part of a group getting together next month to discuss the future of kickoffs in the league. Tasker will join “10 special-teams coaches around the NFL and a bunch of old guys like me who used to cover kicks” at a meeting in New York as the league contemplates changes to kickoffs. A rule change calling for touchbacks to come to the 25-yard line was made permanent at this year’s league meetings after two trial years and the tide is moving toward a future without kickoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFreeman22 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 I've said it before and I'll say it again. If they decide to get rid of kickoffs : If the scoring team scores a TD, place the ball at the opponents 25, if they kick a FG, place it at the opponents 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Is it worth it to take away jobs from fringe players if they do away with kickoffs? That is a LOT of players who aren't needed. They should do away with punts too. Heck, no more running plays either as it is a very high risk play for injuries. Heck, let's just not have an NFL any more. No chance for injuries there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 We should just all stay home in bubble wrap if this is what society has come to. You can only alter a game so much before it no longer exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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