Bucs GM on GMFB: Contacted about Trade-Back UPDATE: Bills were the team

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, JXCOL3 said:

I don't think the giants will take a QB with #2. The amount of blow back they received when they benched Eli was big for the owners, which makes me think they wont draft his replacement yet

depends. I see them trading down a pinch and get a project at 10 - 22. if they are smart. Do not let the fan base run the FO. Eli is 37 and kinda sucks actually

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

I could see us trading Hughes to move up to 7, and picking Mayfield. A new era of Bills football would begin. This is my dream scenario.

why trade Hughes and why the heck is that your fantasy???? you are an odd person  

Can't we have Mayfield and Hughes? that's a much better dream if you are going to dream up something geeesh

[Reed83HOF]

10 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

depends. I see them trading down a pinch and get a project at 10 - 22. if they are smart. Do not let the fan base run the FO. Eli is 37 and kinda sucks actually

why trade Hughes and why the heck is that your fantasy???? you are an odd person  

Can't we have Mayfield and Hughes? that's a much better dream if you are going to dream up something geeesh

1.) CLE - Darnold

2.) BUF- Josh A or R

3.) NYJ - Mayfield

4.) ?? -  will get a lot of picks for the left over Josh....

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

1.) CLE - Darnold

2.) BUF- Josh A or R

3.) NYJ - Mayfield

4.) ?? -  will get a lot of picks for the left over Josh....

i feel nearly anything is possible based upon Cleveland 1 and 4. They own this draft.

4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

1.) CLE - Darnold

2.) BUF- Josh A or R

3.) NYJ - Mayfield

4.) ?? -  will get a lot of picks for the left over Josh....

I am pleased your dream scenario let's us keep Jerry and still get your QB  : )

[Reed83HOF]

2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

i feel nearly anything is possible based upon Cleveland 1 and 4. They own this draft.

I am pleased your dream scenario let's us keep Jerry and still get your QB  : )

 If Jerry helps us keep next year's 1, they can have him. Must move OBJ to free up cap space though. Check out the video 26 just posted over here. I would do this all day long if I was a Bills, Giants or Browns fan. It's freaking awesome....

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[billsredneck1]

i think we need to sit tight til draft night. if baker falls to 6, we need to have a plan in place. if stupid bids come out of the woodwork, i want to take rudolph and keep our picks and maximize the draft.  i think rudolph can have just as good of a future as any of the other qbs. as a matter of fact, if we can sit and get him at 12, i'd feel grateful.

 

 

[SydneyBillsFan]

it's not nuclear physics:

 

- Trade 12 and 56 to the Bucs for 7 now

- If there is a QB we like available at 6, offer 7 + 65 to the Colts on draft night

- Keep 22 + 53 in your back pocket

[Dadonkadonk]

If Allen is gone in top 3 then just sit back and draft at 12.

[Rubes]

26 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

it's not nuclear physics:

 

- Trade 12 and 56 to the Bucs for 7 now

- If there is a QB we like available at 6, offer 7 + 65 to the Colts on draft night

- Keep 22 + 53 in your back pocket

 

I think I would be quite happy with this. I'm just not sure if the value of those top picks is much higher than it usually is, which means teams at those spots are going to demand much more than they might typically. When there are multiple QBs in play with multiple teams looking for one, the price just goes up and up.

 

 

[KDIGGZ]

17 minutes ago, Rubes said:

 

I think I would be quite happy with this. I'm just not sure if the value of those top picks is much higher than it usually is, which means teams at those spots are going to demand much more than they might typically. When there are multiple QBs in play with multiple teams looking for one, the price just goes up and up.

 

 

As we saw with the Colts, the teams at the top are more willing to trade back when they don't have to drop down too far. It will be costly but a lot less than trading from 12. In fact there's probably teams that wouldn't fall to 12 no matter what we give up. I think we will have to trade up twice anyhow

[TigerJ]

I'd be amazed if they had not been contacted.  It wouldn't surprise me if every team between the Jets and Miami had been or will be contacted about trade terms.  It don't think anything happens before draft day, however.

[SydneyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Rubes said:

 

I think I would be quite happy with this. I'm just not sure if the value of those top picks is much higher than it usually is, which means teams at those spots are going to demand much more than they might typically. When there are multiple QBs in play with multiple teams looking for one, the price just goes up and up.

 

 

 

The thing to bear in mind with the second part of that scenario (to move from 7 to 6) is that the Colts get the same player at 7 anyway, as they will certainly not want a QB like we do. In other words - pick 65 would be an absolute freebie. It would therefore be foolish on our part to gift them additional draft capital if we were to own pick 7 and look to move up that 1 spot.

[Laughing Coffin]

Bucs could want 12 or they could even cover 22 ++ even more, could be interesting and I think this is as high as we’d trade up in the draft

[Manther]

8 hours ago, KRT88 said:

I'm surprised Chicago hasn't been mentioned.  You'd think they like to use #8 to get some of those picks back from their move last year.  

 

I'd love to move from #12 to #8.  we could keep most of our picks and maybe get our guy.  (maybe)

I went to College in Chicago from 1997 to 2001 and then stayed in Chicago till till 2013.  A couple things...

 

1.  I love the Bills 

2.  I hate the Bears

3.  I have many bears fans and am familiar with their team

4. Based on the Bears moving up for a QB last year (using draft capital and not needing a QB in 2019) - I would think the Bears are ideal partner for anyone to trade up to the Bears for a QB at #8 .  

 

Geepers, the Bears would have been in amazing shape if they had played to the talent level of their roster last year.  They had a better record than their team.  Seriously, after they traded for Trubisky and the current state of the team I thought they were a bottom 3 team in the NFL.  Trubisky didn't change anything either way.

--> the Bears put up a decent record.  Could you imagine the Bears in the Top #3 in the draft this year and be able to recoup picks trading back to a spot before # 8?

 

Could of, would have, should have...........

 

Bears lose a couple more games in 2017 and...

 

1. They have Trubisky

2. They have a top3-5 pick this year - trade back (easily recouping picks  from trade up last year)

3. They could still trade back this year depending how the draft unfolds

[KDIGGZ]

If this Chad guy is to be trusted, it sounds like it was the Bills who were in talks with Tampa's GM at the owners meeting for the trade up to 7. McD also mentioned that a team was going through the draft value chart to try and figure it out and he seemed very excited about the possibility. He may also have been talking about Tampa.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

At this point there will be a lot of disappointment on draft day if the Bills don't move up. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 3/28/2018 at 2:15 PM, kdiggz said:

The GM for the Tampa Bay Bucs Jason Licht was being interviewed on Good Morning Football on NFL Network and he said something very interesting:

"There are more than 7 players we would love to have so we like our spot, we will get a good player. But right now we are looking at trade back scenarios, who would be there at different spots in the draft. I've gotten some calls already on our pick. It will be interesting to see where of those QB's go whether it's at 5 or my spot at 7, what's that sweet spot."

 

Sounds like QB needy teams have contacted them about pick 7 and they seem interested if they are analyzing what that might mean and who would be available if they do trade back. Very interesting indeed!

 

Watch starting at 4:50 mark...

 

Watch ??  Watch !!!???   I'm to lazy to watch   whats did he say!!!    

 

seriously what were they asking to move to 7??  

Edited April 3, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[KDIGGZ]

On 3/28/2018 at 2:15 PM, kdiggz said:

"There are more than 7 players we would love to have so we like our spot, we will get a good player. But right now we are looking at trade back scenarios, who would be there at different spots in the draft. I've gotten some calls already on our pick. It will be interesting to see where some of those QB's go whether it's at 5 or my spot at 7, what's that sweet spot."

 

[PIZ]

Thanks for the reminder.

[BigBuff423]

10 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

At this point there will be a lot of disappointment on draft day if the Bills don't move up. 

 

You're probably right, but count me among them who would NOT be disappointed. I'm not saying the Bills shouldn't Draft a QB, but given what is likely to be available at 12, i.e. Lamar Jackson, I'm fine with staying put and doing what needs to be done to overhaul the roster. That said, moving up to a place like #7, isn't going to demand a ton of Draft capital and might get the Bills to where they need to be....however, as much as I like Jackson, I don't think they need to trade up for him. So, it would need to be one of the other consensus top 4 QBs who were still able to be picked at #7 for it to be worth ANY forfeiture in Draft picks, JMO.

[RFL]

On 3/28/2018 at 3:38 PM, Chuck Wagon said:

 

Yep.

 

Worst case you move up to 7, you still see the 4 QBs go before you, but you just gave up a 2nd and you get one of Chubb, Barkley, Nelson or Fitzpatrick, guys who would never make it to 12 anyway.

That would be the best move without selling the farm, for us anyway. 

[mannc]

On ‎3‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 12:21 PM, kdiggz said:

http://buffalonews.com/2018/03/27/play-nfl-draft-pick-trade-simulator-calculator-darnold-rosen-allen-value-jimmy-johnson-chart/

 

Using the above simulator, the Bills could give the Bucs the 12 and 56 pick for the 7th.  I would do that deal now knowing that it opens up a ton of options whether it's moving up into the top 5 from there or sitting back and seeing who falls

Would you prefer trading 12 and 22 for 7 and 38?  I would.  Not sure how Tampa would feel about it.

[xRUSHx]

On 3/28/2018 at 2:40 PM, Bills Pimpin' said:

No one can touch the Bills with draft capital if the QB they want is available at 7 (Tampa) or 9 (SF). They can slightly overpay for the player they want and keep a ton of picks. If QB's go 1, 2, 3, 5, then I hope AJ is up for the challenge and Beane has some thick skin.

Thinking that nobody can touch them and boom in comes the Jets. SMH at the waiting game, get it done now to make sure we at least get that far IMO.

[Chuck Wagon]

13 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

Thinking that nobody can touch them and boom in comes the Jets. SMH at the waiting game, get it done now to make sure we at least get that far IMO.

 

Yep. 

 

If there's anywhere close to equal value in a deal to go from 12 to 7 with Tampa, do it now, it's one step closer.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

36 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

You're probably right, but count me among them who would NOT be disappointed. I'm not saying the Bills shouldn't Draft a QB, but given what is likely to be available at 12, i.e. Lamar Jackson, I'm fine with staying put and doing what needs to be done to overhaul the roster. That said, moving up to a place like #7, isn't going to demand a ton of Draft capital and might get the Bills to where they need to be....however, as much as I like Jackson, I don't think they need to trade up for him. So, it would need to be one of the other consensus top 4 QBs who were still able to be picked at #7 for it to be worth ANY forfeiture in Draft picks, JMO.

 

The Bills will have to trade up to get a QB. If they stand pat, another team will jump them. 

[dezertbill]

It all seems to come down to who the Browns draft at 1.  If it’s Darnold then Giants take a non QB and Bills look good at 5 or 7.  

 

Its its Allen Giants take Darnold and it gets tight at 5

[PIZ]

Moving from 12 to 7 to 2 could be a deja vu.
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Eagles traded Kiko Alonso and Byron Maxwell to move from 13 to 8. (No added draft picks to make that move)
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Then traded this?

 

 

[BillsFan17]

Is there actual confirmation it was Buffalo who tried to get the 7th? Or just conjecture based on a tweet from an unverified source?

[JohnC]

On ‎3‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 3:06 PM, Bill from NYC said:

Brady Quinn said today on Sirius that the Bills will trade down to #9 with the 49ers and it will cost perhaps a 3rd, at most a 2nd. He says we will draft Josh Allen at 9.

 

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

Don't tell Bloke because he will be on a rampage. On the other hand if you tell Bandit he will be infused with the warmth of happiness. 

[Bills Pimpin']

2 hours ago, xRUSHx said:

Thinking that nobody can touch them and boom in comes the Jets. SMH at the waiting game, get it done now to make sure we at least get that far IMO.

I said if the player is available at 7 or 9. The Jets didn't swoop in on the Bills. The Jets made a terrible trade for the #3 pick when they have no idea who will be there. I don't care what anyone says there is no way the Jets have 3 of these 5 QB's rated exactly the same. There is a huge chance they will have to settle on a QB they didn't have rated number 1 after spending 3 second round picks to move up 3 spots. There is no way the bills can get to #2 before the draft unless the Browns announce who they are taking and pinky swear on it. You should prolly go get some kind of medication if you are going to look at the news everyday waiting on a trade into the top 5. It ain't gonna happen before the 15 minutes between the Browns pick and the Giants pick.

[JaCrispy]

15 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

I said if the player is available at 7 or 9. The Jets didn't swoop in on the Bills. The Jets made a terrible trade for the #3 pick when they have no idea who will be there. I don't care what anyone says there is no way the Jets have 3 of these 5 QB's rated exactly the same. There is a huge chance they will have to settle on a QB they didn't have rated number 1 after spending 3 second round picks to move up 3 spots. There is no way the bills can get to #2 before the draft unless the Browns announce who they are taking and pinky swear on it. You should prolly go get some kind of medication if you are going to look at the news everyday waiting on a trade into the top 5. It ain't gonna happen before the 15 minutes between the Browns pick and the Giants pick.

People saying the Jets made a bad trade are the same people wishing the Bills had made the trade instead.

[BillsFan17]

48 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

I said if the player is available at 7 or 9. The Jets didn't swoop in on the Bills. The Jets made a terrible trade for the #3 pick when they have no idea who will be there. I don't care what anyone says there is no way the Jets have 3 of these 5 QB's rated exactly the same. There is a huge chance they will have to settle on a QB they didn't have rated number 1 after spending 3 second round picks to move up 3 spots. There is no way the bills can get to #2 before the draft unless the Browns announce who they are taking and pinky swear on it. You should prolly go get some kind of medication if you are going to look at the news everyday waiting on a trade into the top 5. It ain't gonna happen before the 15 minutes between the Browns pick and the Giants pick.

 No, there really isn't a huge chance they miss on their guy. Especially since we all have no idea how their draft board is laid out.

 

If they have it Allen, Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen. If the browns take Darnold, they will still have a top notch shot at three to get Allen.

 

End of the day picking third right now is vastly better than sitting at 12.

[gonzo1105]

Here’s the problem with dealing with the Bucs. You only make the deal under two circumstances. A) One of the QBs you really like drops to pick 7 and you trade up on draft day or B) you trade up to 7 because you already have a deal in place for 2 if you can get pick 7.

 

The problem with scenario B is if the rumors are true the Giants love Darnold, they are not gonna trade down until they know who the Browns take at 1. Right now it sounds like they are leaning towards Allen. In that case, scenario B is highly unlikely to happen unless the Bills, Bucs, and Giants have some crazy 3 team trade worked out in advance of pick number 2 being on the board

[Big Turk]

5 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

People saying the Jets made a bad trade are the same people wishing the Bills had made the trade instead.

If the Bills could have gone from 12 to 3rd for 3 second round picks I would have done it in a heartbeat

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 3/28/2018 at 2:15 PM, kdiggz said:

The GM for the Tampa Bay Bucs Jason Licht was being interviewed on Good Morning Football on NFL Network and he said something very interesting:

"There are more than 7 players we would love to have so we like our spot, we will get a good player. But right now we are looking at trade back scenarios, who would be there at different spots in the draft. I've gotten some calls already on our pick. It will be interesting to see where some of those QB's go whether it's at 5 or my spot at 7, what's that sweet spot."

 

Sounds like QB needy teams have contacted them about pick 7 and they seem interested if they are analyzing what that might mean and who would be available if they do trade back. Very interesting indeed!

 

Watch starting at 4:50 mark...

 

 

Whats The Hold Up, Get It Done Tampa!

 

 

[GunnerBill]

I am sure Beane has spoken to every single team in the top 10.  

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

I am sure Beane has spoken to every single team in the top 10.  

Including twice with the Browns.

 

He has probably spoken at some level, at one point or another, with every non AFC East team.

[BUFFALOTONE]

On 3/28/2018 at 2:15 PM, kdiggz said:

The GM for the Tampa Bay Bucs Jason Licht was being interviewed on Good Morning Football on NFL Network and he said something very interesting:

"There are more than 7 players we would love to have so we like our spot, we will get a good player. But right now we are looking at trade back scenarios, who would be there at different spots in the draft. I've gotten some calls already on our pick. It will be interesting to see where some of those QB's go whether it's at 5 or my spot at 7, what's that sweet spot."

 

Sounds like QB needy teams have contacted them about pick 7 and they seem interested if they are analyzing what that might mean and who would be available if they do trade back. Very interesting indeed!

 

Watch starting at 4:50 mark...

 

Where did it say the Bills were the team? Am I missing something?

[Bills Pimpin']

22 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:

 No, there really isn't a huge chance they miss on their guy. Especially since we all have no idea how their draft board is laid out.

 

If they have it Allen, Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen. If the browns take Darnold, they will still have a top notch shot at three to get Allen.

 

End of the day picking third right now is vastly better than sitting at 12.

Really? If there are 4 so-called sure thing QB's: Darnold, Allen, Rosen and Mayfield and the Bills trade up to #2, you don't think they have a huge chance they miss there guy? You think if the Browns take a QB and the Giants take a QB there is not a good chance they miss their guy? Do you not know simple math?

17 hours ago, matter2003 said:

If the Bills could have gone from 12 to 3rd for 3 second round picks I would have done it in a heartbeat

No **** Sherlock, but the Jets went from 6 to 3. The Colts dropped 3 spots and gained 3 2nd round picks.??????.

 

And you think the colts would drop to 12 for the same.  Brilliance abound at TBD.

[BillsFan17]

58 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

Really? If there are 4 so-called sure thing QB's: Darnold, Allen, Rosen and Mayfield and the Bills trade up to #2, you don't think they have a huge chance they miss there guy? You think if the Browns take a QB and the Giants take a QB there is not a good chance they miss their guy? Do you not know simple math?

No **** Sherlock, but the Jets went from 6 to 3. The Colts dropped 3 spots and gained 3 2nd round picks.??????.

 

And you think the colts would drop to 12 for the same.  Brilliance abound at TBD.

If there are four guys and only two go before their pick that's not a huge chance they miss their guy. Clearly I'm not the one who struggles with simple math.

 

Again, especially if the top two QBs that go arent the top one on their board. It's okay we can go as slow as you need.

[Bills Pimpin']

1 minute ago, BillsFan17 said:

If there are four guys and only two go before their pick that's not a huge chance they miss their guy. Clearly I'm not the one who struggles with simple math.

 

Again, especially if the top two QBs that go arent the top one on their board. It's okay we can go as slow as you need.

If you think giving up 3 second round picks to move up 3 spots with a 50% chance your #1 QB is off the board is a good move then you are part of the few that do. It was the equivalent of giving up the #1 overall pick. It rivels the Whaley move to give an extra first for Sammy Watkins. No way a good GM does that. It was a panic move by GM swinging for the fences to save his job. It's a move you make on draft day when the guy you want IS STILL ON THE BOARD, and even then it's borderline overpayment based simply on the value. Its a move you make to get to #1 not #3.