Teddy KGB Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said: For a player with so much talent you could see something was not right, dropped passes and lack of concentration the guy looked like a bust. Then his father announces he played the season injured, which looks now like a cover for drug problem. I would cut him ASAP so he can fix himself and he does not spread his problem to other young Bills players on this team. Lets give up on a 2nd round pick ? What a a dumb idea. Plenty of time to get him right for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, MURPHD6 said: Drugs can contribute to manic episodes, but they don't directly trigger them. Other factors like stress, lack of sleep, and genetics are just as likely to be contributing factors. If he tried to jump out a window, he's manic, and weed doesn't cause that. Weed isn’t being blamed here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) For those on this thread who have been worrying about the second round pick status and the Bills screwing up- try and put humanity above your petty nonsense for once. Also, keep in mind that many saw him as about a clean a prospect as there is. But hey go ahead and overreact because that's what you do. Edited March 21, 2018 by horned dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, horned dogs said: For those on this thread who have been worrying about the second round pick status and the Bills screwing up- try and put humanity above your petty nonsense for once. Also, keep in mind that many saw him as about a clean a prospect as there is. But hey go ahead and overreact because that's what you do. Every single comment I’ve seen on twitter from current teammates, people who know him, anyone who has met him, etc are that they are very surprised and glowing remarks about him as a person. Not a single negative comment. It points to the likely possibility that this is an isolated incident of poor decision making. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I pray for his mental and physical health. So far I have not heard anything about police officers or innocent civilians getting hurt and this is great news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Is it too early for jokes about how Zay is hoping the charges get dropped? Too soon? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, SmokinES3 said: Obviously you aren't familiar with the effects of certain hallucinogenic drugs... I"m familliar with mental health research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 11 hours ago, HappyDays said: I would honestly cut my losses and move on if I were the Bills. Happy, I respect your opinion, and I enjoy reading a great many of your posts. I respectfully disagree. And apologies if this is redundant compared to some other replies, but I just didn't feel like reading all 26 pages... WHAT?? ? Surely you can't be serious... This is the most prolific receiver, the ALL-TIME RECEPTION LEADER IN NCAA HISTORY!!!! I don't care that he did it at ECU, and I dont care if 93.5% of his catches were screens and bubble screens! You had to do SOMETHING to achieve that feat! This kid had human stickum in college and caught virtually EVERYTHING thrown his way!!! Wide-open, over the middle, fades, posts, flys, open or covered, particularly covered this kid effin catches everything. When we drafted him I was effin ecstatic AND I STILL AM. I know every member of this board knows that WR's TYPICALLY take around 3 years to mature and "blossom" into the receiver their team hopes they can be. This is a kid who I admit, struggled through his rookie year, got inside his own head and developed a case of the dropsies, and was called upon to do an awful lot for a first year player. Yet he never complained, took full accountability for his mistakes, even the debatable throw/non catch in the Carolina game he stepped up and said it was on him. I know it wasn't his hands, but from what I've read and been told, a torn labrum can most certainly affect one's ability to catch the ball, particularly when in fear of landing wrong, or being blanketed by a defender. Yes, he was probably under the influence of something crazy....or perhaps he was still taking painkillers, and then got high and had a bad interaction between the two. Unfortunately, we'll probably never know the truth...However, Zay CAN get past this. If Zay wants to. Here's to hoping legally this remains a vandalism charge, Zay can get it dropped or reduced, plead no contest at worst, get some fines and restitution, and perhaps get a 1 game or none suspension. But to hear my fellow members in such agreement on cutting this kid bewilders me!! He's 26! He's going into his 2nd year, and FIRST fully healthy! Cutting him would be a GIGANTIC mistake! I swear to all of you, if we cut this kid, we WILL watch another team SNATCH him up, and we will all have to endure Sundays of seeing the bottom line look like, New England 37 - Tampa Bay 10, NE: T Brady, 26-32 354 yds, 4 TDs......Z Jones, 10 ctchs 146 yds, 2 TDs. Guys (and Buffalo Gal), this is a KID. Who did something stupid. If he can put this behind him, let him suit up for us and catch passes from Rosen (or Mayfield), and become the receiver we all hoped he would be. It's WAYYYYY too early to be even thinking about getting rid of this kid. IMHO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Either a bad trip (PCP, laced weed, synthetic weed, acid/mushrooms) or mental health issue...either way, no need to be cutting this young man from our football team LOL...crazy takes out there in the wake of this video. Disturbing, sad...but from all indications he is a class act kid. Wait until facts come out and move forward from there to help him/ensure it doesn't happen again (I am VERY confident that is what the Bills organization will do - you don't preach culture culture culture and then ditch a kid at the first sign of trouble). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bakin said: Weed isn’t being blamed here. Tell that to Jeff Sessions and other republicans. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: Tell that to Jeff Sessions and other republicans. Hypothetical question: how many touchdowns would Zay Jones have if either Mason "Another OK State System QB" Rudolph or Lamar "Designed QB Run" Jackson were throwing the ball to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Bakin said: That’s the least obvious thing it could be. Certainly a freak out on drugs is more likely. Popular misconception. Drugs aren't the only factor that lead to manic episodes. They can contribute, but other factors are always involved, like genetic disposition, stress, etc. Edited March 21, 2018 by MURPHD6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 44 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I agree i think it’s more likely it’s a drug incident. Either way whether it’s mental illness or drugs, I’m surprised people think his career is over. Numerous examples on both sides of players still in the league after one of these episodes. As I said I would be surprised if the Bills even cut him unless there is a pattern of this behavior with drugs that we are unaware of. Odds are he probably will not be available the first part of the season due to suspension. The team's offseason money is shot and we have pretty well cut to the bone in terms of vet salaries so there are extremely few cut options. We knew the team needed to do something in terms of addressing WR so it becomes a priority in the draft. The chances of giving away the farm for a move up most likely took a hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Awesome high character and motor pick, McBeane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, HomeskillitMoorman said: Awesome high character and motor pick, McBeane! Beane wasn't here when Jones was picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) What kind of azz-ole sits there and video tapes and doesn't try to help? What's wrong with society? Edited March 21, 2018 by Irv 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, smuvtalker said: Happy, I respect your opinion, and I enjoy reading a great many of your posts. I respectfully disagree. And apologies if this is redundant compared to some other replies, but I just didn't feel like reading all 26 pages... WHAT?? ? Surely you can't be serious... This is the most prolific receiver, the ALL-TIME RECEPTION LEADER IN NCAA HISTORY!!!! I don't care that he did it at ECU, and I dont care if 93.5% of his catches were screens and bubble screens! You had to do SOMETHING to achieve that feat! This kid had human stickum in college and caught virtually EVERYTHING thrown his way!!! Wide-open, over the middle, fades, posts, flys, open or covered, particularly covered this kid effin catches everything. When we drafted him I was effin ecstatic AND I STILL AM. I know every member of this board knows that WR's TYPICALLY take around 3 years to mature and "blossom" into the receiver their team hopes they can be. This is a kid who I admit, struggled through his rookie year, got inside his own head and developed a case of the dropsies, and was called upon to do an awful lot for a first year player. Yet he never complained, took full accountability for his mistakes, even the debatable throw/non catch in the Carolina game he stepped up and said it was on him. I know it wasn't his hands, but from what I've read and been told, a torn labrum can most certainly affect one's ability to catch the ball, particularly when in fear of landing wrong, or being blanketed by a defender. Yes, he was probably under the influence of something crazy....or perhaps he was still taking painkillers, and then got high and had a bad interaction between the two. Unfortunately, we'll probably never know the truth...However, Zay CAN get past this. If Zay wants to. Here's to hoping legally this remains a vandalism charge, Zay can get it dropped or reduced, plead no contest at worst, get some fines and restitution, and perhaps get a 1 game or none suspension. But to hear my fellow members in such agreement on cutting this kid bewilders me!! He's 26! He's going into his 2nd year, and FIRST fully healthy! Cutting him would be a GIGANTIC mistake! I swear to all of you, if we cut this kid, we WILL watch another team SNATCH him up, and we will all have to endure Sundays of seeing the bottom line look like, New England 37 - Tampa Bay 10, NE: T Brady, 26-32 354 yds, 4 TDs......Z Jones, 10 ctchs 146 yds, 2 TDs. Guys (and Buffalo Gal), this is a KID. Who did something stupid. If he can put this behind him, let him suit up for us and catch passes from Rosen (or Mayfield), and become the receiver we all hoped he would be. It's WAYYYYY too early to be even thinking about getting rid of this kid. IMHO I believe Ryan Broyles and Justin Hardy are #2 and 3 on that list for most FBS receptions. It really doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Every single comment I’ve seen on twitter from current teammates, people who know him, anyone who has met him, etc are that they are very surprised and glowing remarks about him as a person. Not a single negative comment. It points to the likely possibility that this is an isolated incident of poor decision making. This matters Yolo. As I stated above, it doesn't seem as if police or others were hurt. This is huge imo. My experience has taught me that more often than not, when a good guy gets sick, he is just that. And when a scumbag gets sick, he is a sick scumbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: Popular misconception. Drugs aren't the only factor that lead to manic episodes. They can contribute, but other factors are always involved, like genetic disposition, stress, etc. Let me put it this way, you don't have a bad trip and decide to try and jump out of a window. But a bad trip can trigger a manic episode that leads to you trying to jump out a window. Once you have a manic episode, they can reccur without the use of drugs, as well, so there is no direct link between a drugs presence or absense. Teams and doctors know this, and there is a pretty big stygma attatched to it, so he may never play for Buffalo again. Edited March 21, 2018 by MURPHD6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MClem06 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Hearing rumors we're going to be calling Anquan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Beane wasn't here when Jones was picked. Fair enough. I'm not even against them. I just think too much is made of that and was poking a little fun at it. I haven't seen an example when any GM or coach truly subscribe to the high character thing. They all make concessions at some point to get a talent they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: Let me put it this way, you don't have a bad trip and decide to try and jump out of a window. But a bad trip can trigger a manic elisode that leads to you trying to jump out a window. Once you have a manic episode, they can reccur without the use of drugs, as well, so there is no direct link between a drugs presence or absense. a bad trip can CERTAINLY make you think you can fly/"go fight with Jesus" bro, sorry you've never had bad good drugs Edited March 21, 2018 by PaattMaann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: Let me put it this way, you don't have a bad trip and decide to try and jump out of a window. But a bad trip can trigger a manic elisode that leads to you trying to jump out a window. Once you have a manic episode, they can reccur without the use of drugs, as well, so there is no direct link between a drugs presence or absense. 2 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: a bad trip can CERTAINLY make you think you can fly/"go fight with Jesus" bro, sorry you've never had good drugs i think you're both right here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) Sounds familiar 911 caller describes Ole Miss star Robert Nkemdiche as 'covered in blood' after fall https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/12/13/10032718/ole-miss-robert-nkemdiche-window-fall Edited March 21, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 46 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: Drugs can contribute to manic episodes, but they don't directly trigger them. Other factors like stress, lack of sleep, and genetics are just as likely to be contributing factors. If he tried to jump out a window, he's manic, and weed doesn't cause that all by itself. If it did, it would not be legalized in particular areas for recreational use. This is 100% false. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RochesterRob Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, Irv said: What kind of azz-ole sits there and video tapes and doesn't try to help? What's wrong with society? Yep, with any luck negligence charges could be found to teach that loser a lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: They lifted his mental health hold this morning. He was on drugs. Whether it was weed, synthetic weed, cocaine, PCP, flokka, K2 etc. we'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 31 minutes ago, smuvtalker said: Happy, I respect your opinion, and I enjoy reading a great many of your posts. I respectfully disagree. And apologies if this is redundant compared to some other replies, but I just didn't feel like reading all 26 pages... WHAT?? ? Surely you can't be serious... This is the most prolific receiver, the ALL-TIME RECEPTION LEADER IN NCAA HISTORY!!!! I don't care that he did it at ECU, and I dont care if 93.5% of his catches were screens and bubble screens! You had to do SOMETHING to achieve that feat! This kid had human stickum in college and caught virtually EVERYTHING thrown his way!!! Wide-open, over the middle, fades, posts, flys, open or covered, particularly covered this kid effin catches everything. When we drafted him I was effin ecstatic AND I STILL AM. I know every member of this board knows that WR's TYPICALLY take around 3 years to mature and "blossom" into the receiver their team hopes they can be. This is a kid who I admit, struggled through his rookie year, got inside his own head and developed a case of the dropsies, and was called upon to do an awful lot for a first year player. Yet he never complained, took full accountability for his mistakes, even the debatable throw/non catch in the Carolina game he stepped up and said it was on him. I know it wasn't his hands, but from what I've read and been told, a torn labrum can most certainly affect one's ability to catch the ball, particularly when in fear of landing wrong, or being blanketed by a defender. Yes, he was probably under the influence of something crazy....or perhaps he was still taking painkillers, and then got high and had a bad interaction between the two. Unfortunately, we'll probably never know the truth...However, Zay CAN get past this. If Zay wants to. Here's to hoping legally this remains a vandalism charge, Zay can get it dropped or reduced, plead no contest at worst, get some fines and restitution, and perhaps get a 1 game or none suspension. But to hear my fellow members in such agreement on cutting this kid bewilders me!! He's 26! He's going into his 2nd year, and FIRST fully healthy! Cutting him would be a GIGANTIC mistake! I swear to all of you, if we cut this kid, we WILL watch another team SNATCH him up, and we will all have to endure Sundays of seeing the bottom line look like, New England 37 - Tampa Bay 10, NE: T Brady, 26-32 354 yds, 4 TDs......Z Jones, 10 ctchs 146 yds, 2 TDs. Guys (and Buffalo Gal), this is a KID. Who did something stupid. If he can put this behind him, let him suit up for us and catch passes from Rosen (or Mayfield), and become the receiver we all hoped he would be. It's WAYYYYY too early to be even thinking about getting rid of this kid. IMHO X100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I believe Ryan Broyles and Justin Hardy are #2 and 3 on that list for most FBS receptions. It really doesn't mean anything. I respect your opinion. Go f**k yourself. Lol just messin with you. But all jokes aside, I do believe it means something. To play at the next level, you have to do SOMETHING in college to separate you from your peers. Zay Jones caught THE MOST passes in NCAA history. A big difference from "the 3rd most passes in NCAA history". And he's got the tape to back it up. And how dare you say some crap like it doesn't mean anything?? Naaman Roosevelt is tied for 42nd on that list and he went to become a Buffalo Bill and had an outsta.... Edited March 21, 2018 by smuvtalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: X100% Still going to have to face the penalties the league assesses in such matters. So he probably will not be available opening day. Or the week after. Or the week after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 13 hours ago, Fetou said: In all seriousness the most likely suspect would be PCP. "Psychological effects include severe changes in body image, loss of ego boundaries, paranoia, and depersonalization. Hallucinations, euphoria, and suicidal impulses are also reported, as well as occasional aggressive behavior.[19]:48–49[17] Like many other drugs, PCP has been known to alter mood states in an unpredictable fashion, causing some individuals to become detached, and others to become animated. PCP may induce feelings of strength, power, and invulnerability as well as a numbing effect on the mind." Nobody does PCP anymore. That is so 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, PolishDave said: Nobody does PCP anymore. That is so 80's. Hey people do heroin which is so 60's, but yeah I hear ya My guess is meth or PCP. Damn that is a LOT of blood. How would you like to be the poor person cleaning that stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 49 minutes ago, Irv said: What kind of azz-ole sits there and video tapes and doesn't try to help? What's wrong with society? Totally agree ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, PolishDave said: Nobody does PCP anymore. That is so 80's. The Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) reported that PCP was most prevalent among African American males ages 21-24 PCP-related emergency room visits increased 400% between 2005 and 2011, with increases seen in both genders. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, smuvtalker said: RIDICULOUS!!!!! Thanks for making me spit out my delicious chai latte from Caribou Coffee then proceed to regurgitate the rest of it from convulse-laughing!!! HAHAHAHHAHA that's a way to start a day!!! ???? I'm sorry for the wasted latte. Have your people call my people and we'll sort something out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, Fetou said: The Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) reported that PCP was most prevalent among African American males ages 21-24 PCP-related emergency room visits increased 400% between 2005 and 2011, with increases seen in both genders. In all seriousness, PCP would make a lot of sense. But the trying to jump out the window part? Shades of Diane Linklater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, Fetou said: The Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) reported that PCP was most prevalent among African American males ages 21-24 PCP-related emergency room visits increased 400% between 2005 and 2011, with increases seen in both genders. Jesus, I didn't even realize they still MADE frickin PCP.... Seriously to this day I still don't know what a qualuude is, angel dust, poppers, whiz bangers, flippy sticks or jenkem are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 13 hours ago, starrymessenger said: WTF!!! Guess anything Kouandijo can do Zay can do better. Anyway, JuJu was my guy. always wondered how JuJu or any WR would have done on this team with the lack of talent at QB. JuJu is great, but he could have looked pedestrian for us last year. Man, I like Zay. This is just totally nutso. We may have to keep our picks and draft a few WR's. Chark, St. Browne, the guy from Indiana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, Fetou said: The Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) reported that PCP was most prevalent among African American males ages 21-24 PCP-related emergency room visits increased 400% between 2005 and 2011, with increases seen in both genders. Wow that’s interesting. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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