NFL Combine - Measurements, Times, and Other News

[Ittakestime]

15 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

LOL.  I must be watching some other combine...

 

Did he hit one outside throw to the right?  Pretty sure every single one went out of bounds.

 

That dud he threw on the middle slant was such a lack of focus.  Like what else should he be thinking about?

[ndirish1978]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That's scary then because the talking heads are drooling like Pavlov's Dogs when Allen is mentioned.  It's embarrassing.

 

No, he didn't, but keep in mind the knock on him is he hasn't worked under center (and he's looked mighty awkward when he does).

That being the case, he looks as though he's really been working on his drops.

 

Do you really want a QB whose calling card is his ability with his legs though? I'm not saying he doesn't have an arm, I'm just saying the position is there to pass the ball. Drafting a QB who is this erratic directly affects all these other positions you're paying people to play. Why spend a high draft pick on a WR if the QB can't consistently get them the ball? 

[YoloinOhio]

Mark Andrews 4.59 at 256 lbs ?

[BillsSbSoon]

Allens arm talent is crazy but rosen really isnt that far off, and he can make every throw consistently. Played in a pro system, mechanics are great. Whats the debate here? Hes matt ryan with a stronger arm imo. 

Mayfield had a really nice showing too and hes def in the top 10-15 now. Love his moxie. Kid went throw for throw with rosen and did not look out of place

[K-9]

On 2/28/2018 at 1:02 PM, thebandit27 said:

Figured it'd be good to keep it all in one place.

 

MODS--if you disagree, feel free to delete/merge...

 

Combine Key Measurements thread

I haven’t seen a stitch of the combine until today and not much at that, just the second group of QBs. Has anybody tested “in the red” yet? I suspect Barkley is up there given his bench and vertical,  but don’t have his or anybody else’s full results. 

[Domdab99]

My boy Rosen looking a little shaky.

 

What's the word on Simonek? I like what he's doing.

 

Rudolph should be a model or a movie star

 

Mayfield's arm is perfectly fine. Strong, even. Lots of zip.

 

Shaqueem Griffin DOESN'T HAVE A LEFT HAND???  Holy hell what an athlete. 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Domdab99 said:

My boy Rosen looking a little shaky.

 

What's the word on Simonek? I like what he's doing.

 

Rudolph should be a model or a movie star

 

Mayfield's arm is perfectly fine. Strong, even. Lots of zip.

 

Shaqueem Griffin DOESN'T HAVE A LEFT HAND???  Holy hell what an athlete. 

 

 

And still put up 6 more reps on the bench than Orlando Brown 

[Ittakestime]

12 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said:

Allens arm talent is crazy but rosen really isnt that far off, and he can make every throw consistently. Played in a pro system, mechanics are great. Whats the debate here? Hes matt ryan with a stronger arm imo. 

Mayfield had a really nice showing too and hes def in the top 10-15 now. Love his moxie. Kid went throw for throw with rosen and did not look out of place

 

Let's not go overboard with Rosen's accuracy.  Averaged about 61% in college, had a high of 62.6% this year.   Not the greatest.

 

[Domdab99]

I think I'd be happy with trading up for Rosen or Mayfield, maybe Allen....stay in place for Jackson. Do not want Rudolph or Darnold. 

[H2o]

19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Mark Andrews 4.59 at 256 lbs ?

Best TE in the draft. I'm certain he'll be a member of either the Falcons or the Pats on day 1. 

[Elite Poster]

45 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

You want me to elaborate on Rosen or Mayfield?

 

Rosen looks like he just doesn't care out there today.  Throws are off, struggling with placement, outside throws are not even in bounds, etc. The kid drops back and you can tell he could careless about going through these drills.

 

Mayfield is dropping dimes while giving 100% effort.  The dude is taking drop backs and is acting like it is a game situation. 

 

Rosen needs to humble himself.  People get on Mayfield for being cocky, but Rosen has that quiet, know it all, arrogance that  will kill him.

 

Interesting

 

Sounds very biased. I like both and didn't get that at all from watching. Struggling with placement? His intermediate to deep throws were the best of the day out of everyone. He didn't do well with the out to the right, just like several other guys including Bake. I saw Baker miss multiple throws so I don't really get why you think he did much better.

 

Also, Rosen's footwork was beautiful. It looked smooth to me, not disinterested. People hate Rodgers attitude too.

Edited March 3, 2018 by Elite Poster

[BillsSbSoon]

3 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

Let's not go overboard with Rosen's accuracy.  Averaged about 61% in college, had a high of 62.6% this year.   Not the greatest.

 

Well he also had to throw all game because their defense couldnt stop a cold

[CEN-CAL17]

37 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I think you're seeing what you want to see. 

 

I'm not a huge Rosen fan, but his performance was pretty solid today. He and Mayfield were the only future NFL QBs in Group 2 by a pretty wide margin. 

 

Both guys looked good. 

Thing is.. takestime has a point many that worked with him as a high school senior said he had a quiet arrogance about him that turned them off.

 

Some people claim to see and hear that same arrogance even now. They question how much he truly cares about the game...

 

Take it for what it worth. Baker May flop so could Rosen. Nobody knows. All I know is that it’s not college and neither have taken a snap in the NFL nor have had the opportunity to prove themselves.

4 minutes ago, H2o said:

Best TE in the draft. I'm certain he'll be a member of either the Falcons or the Pats on day 1. 

Best TE is Hurst from South Carolina 

6 minutes ago, H2o said:

Best TE in the draft. I'm certain he'll be a member of either the Falcons or the Pats on day 1. 

Best TE is Hurst from South Carolina 

[Elite Poster]

A lot of people here seem to forget Jimbo had an absolutely horrible, brash personality.

 

I don't care, who can spin the ball, get me that guy.

[H2o]

4 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

 Best TE is Hurst from South Carolina 

Andrews is the next Gronk. Mark it down. Hurst is also 25. Shorter shelf life than Andrews. He's solid, but Andrews will be the better Pro. 

[Lurker]

9 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

 

Sounds very biased. I like both and didn't get that at all from watching.

 

Same here...

[CEN-CAL17]

2 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

A lot of people here seem to forget Jimbo had an absolutely horrible, brash personality.

 

I don't care, who can spin the ball, get me that guy.

Thing is... if Rosen can be all in, he may be able to pick up any offensive scheme, make it his and read defenses probably better than any QB.

 

Is he coachable at the NFL, will his work ethic take off to a new level? Will his teammates respond to his leadership?  

 

I personally dont don’t know if he truly loves the game like Baker does, but Baker isn’t on his talent level all around.

[John from Riverside]

40 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Do you really want a QB whose calling card is his ability with his legs though? I'm not saying he doesn't have an arm, I'm just saying the position is there to pass the ball. Drafting a QB who is this erratic directly affects all these other positions you're paying people to play. Why spend a high draft pick on a WR if the QB can't consistently get them the ball? 

How many TD passes in college... HE DOES GET THEM THE BALL.

 

Again people need to stop looking at the kid and see Tyrod Taylor....some of you just cant get past it

[thebandit27]

27 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I haven’t seen a stitch of the combine until today and not much at that, just the second group of QBs. Has anybody tested “in the red” yet? I suspect Barkley is up there given his bench and vertical,  but don’t have his or anybody else’s full results. 

 

Off the top of my head:

Barkley

N. Chubb

Q Nelson

Braden Smith

[Kmart128]

8 minutes ago, H2o said:

Andrews is the next Gronk. Mark it down. Hurst is also 25. Shorter shelf life than Andrews. He's solid, but Andrews will be the better Pro. 

Andrews is more of a Greg Olson type than a Gronk type. Goedert is more of that Gronk type. 

[Lurker]

2 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Thing is... if Rosen can be all in, he may be able to pick up any offensive scheme, make it his and read defenses probably better than any QB.

 

Is he coachable at the NFL, will his work ethic take off to a new level? Will his teammates respond to his leadership?  

 

I personally dont don’t know if he truly loves the game like Baker does, but Baker isn’t on his talent level all around.

 

Fair enough.   Rosen's interviews made me think of Brady.   The whole, "I don't give a $hitt what you think of me, I'm comfortable with myself."   He may not give off the jock vibe that Mayfield does but Rogers never gave off the jock vibe relative to Farve...and that turned out alright.

 

The California kids are different.   Sometimes you get a Losman, sometimes a Rogers...

[jrober38]

21 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Thing is.. takestime has a point many that worked with him as a high school senior said he had a quiet arrogance about him that turned them off.

 

Some people claim to see and hear that same arrogance even now. They question how much he truly cares about the game...

 

Take it for what it worth. Baker May flop so could Rosen. Nobody knows. All I know is that it’s not college and neither have taken a snap in the NFL nor have had the opportunity to prove themselves.

 

Sure. I'm just pointing out that none of that was on display today. 

 

If you asked someone with reasonable football knowledge, who had never heard Josh Rosen's name before if he did well today, they'd agree.

 

The only way you'd think he looked "arrogant" is if you're convinced he is arrogant based on things you've read and heard. 

[CEN-CAL17]

17 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Sure. I'm just pointing out that none of that was on display today. 

 

If you asked someone with reasonable football knowledge, who had never heard Josh Rosen's name before if he did well today, they'd agree.

 

The only way you'd think he looked "arrogant" is if you're convinced he is arrogant based on things you've read and heard. 

If I had to pick, I’d take Rosen.

 

But I know these coaches and scouts as well as the FO digs and digs for info these kids.

 

To be honest I don’t think anyone has ever had anything bad to say about the kid vs he sees and acts differently compared to your “typical” rah rah QB. And I hate how people act like arrogance is bad. If it’s used in the right direction and not negative it can be a very positive thing. 

 

The Pats are a very arrogant organization all around, some of that plays into their formula of how to be a winner. I feel QBs need that.

 

I just would rather have the guy that football is his life vs football is just something he does...

[K-9]

42 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Off the top of my head:

Barkley

N. Chubb

Q Nelson

Braden Smith

Thanks. Love to see the big uglies with that kind of explosion, especially.

[Jay_Fixit]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

And still put up 6 more reps on the bench than Orlando Brown 

And 3 more than his brother.

[Captain Murica]

1 hour ago, Ittakestime said:

 

Let's not go overboard with Rosen's accuracy.  Averaged about 61% in college, had a high of 62.6% this year.   Not the greatest.

 

 Rosen’s WRs has over 40 drops this season...

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

How many TD passes in college... HE DOES GET THEM THE BALL.

 

Again people need to stop looking at the kid and see Tyrod Taylor....some of you just cant get past it

 

Vick is a more accurate comparison.  Phenomenal athlete, live arm, but wildly inaccurate several times per game.

 

He displayed, today, the same inconsistent accuracy that he's shown throughout his college career.

 

The deep ball that landed 3 yards, "in the dirt", behind the receiver on a go route was telling.

Edited March 3, 2018 by Chicken Boo

[John from Riverside]

8 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Vick is a more accurate comparison.  Phenomenal athlete, live arm, but wildly inaccurate several times per game.

 

He displayed, today, the same inconsistent accuracy that he's shown throughout his college career.

 

The deep ball that landed 3 yards, "in the dirt", behind the receiver on a go route was telling.

One one pass that landed 3 yards behind the reciever......we are supposed to make a determination on that

 

Extremely productive in college....and not just with his athletism

Got better every year

Has all the physical tools

Runs a patriot like offense in college

 

Ill forgive him for one pass.  Again....he is not Josh Rosen.....if I can have Josh Rosen I want Josh Rosen.....if Josh Rosen is going to cost a DItka draft we might not be able to get him.

 

And again....VICK WAS THE NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK IN HIS DRAFT.......and when he got to the NFL he was the offense of his team.

 

 

Edited March 3, 2018 by John from Riverside

[WideRightRevenge]

1 hour ago, Domdab99 said:

I think I'd be happy with trading up for Rosen or Mayfield, maybe Allen....stay in place for Jackson. Do not want Rudolph or Darnold. 

 

Totally agree with this ... only  Rosen or Mayfield for me . .prefer Mayfield due to leadership intangibles

[ndirish1978]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

How many TD passes in college... HE DOES GET THEM THE BALL.

 

Again people need to stop looking at the kid and see Tyrod Taylor....some of you just cant get past it

 

Who said TT? I didn't. I just watched him throw at the combine though and he is not a consistently accurate passer. I saw Rosen and Mayfield and Allen all throw consistently good balls. I saw Jackson throw TWO balls that were so bad Irvin laughed at them and called them turkeys. 

[WideRightRevenge]

I hope the Bills draft Shaquem Griffin LB from UCF ... just busted 20 reps at the combine with prostetic

 

Overview

Shaquem Griffin is not just a great story, he's an excellent football player. He lost his left hand due to a rate prenatal condition, but that did not prevent him from being named the American Athletic Conference Defensive Player of the Year in his first year as a starting outside linebacker in 2016. He led the Knights with 57 solo tackles (had 92 total), 20 tackles for loss, and 11.5 sacks by chasing down plays with speed and wrapping his arms, while also intercepting a pass and breaking up seven others on the year. Griffin was again a first-team all-conference choice in 2017 (74 tackles, 13.5 for loss, team-high seven sacks, one interception, three pass breakups, two forced fumbles). He has played football with his "older" brother, Shaquill, since they were young. Shaquill came out of the womb one minute before Shaquem, and also left UCF a year earlier (drafted in the third round by Seattle in 2017) than his brother because he did not redshirt. Shaquem played in one game as a sophomore (against Penn State in Ireland), and then played 12 games on special teams and safety, making nine tackles on the year. Griffin was a second-team All-State pick in Florida as a senior, excelled in 7-on-7 teams growing up, and also could have gone to several schools on a track scholarship.

Analysis

Strengths

Possesses good athletic ability. Smart player who processes the game plan and executes. Attacks face-up blockers with maximum arm extension to keep his frame clean. Carries some upper body power at the punch. Asks for no quarter and gives none. Looks to punish as hitter. Impressive total of 13 passes defensed on 42 targets. Instinctive with the talent to play 3-4 inside backer and 4-3 outside backer spots. Has intriguing burst when edge rushing. Accelerates quickly off the snap and can outrace some tackles to the edge. Posted 18.5 sacks over two years as an outside rusher and blitzer. Plays fast uses good technique.

Weaknesses

Linear and high-cut. Needs to play with more consistent knee bend. Could use more mass and lower body strength. Contact balance is below average when challenged by power. Disengaging from blocks is a challenge. Unable to make quick exits when play-side shoulder covered by a blocker. Felled by cut blocks. Little margin for error as tackle finisher. Target point as tackler can be a little high. Allowed four broken tackles this year.

Draft Projection

Round 5-6

Sources Tell Us

"The old staff signed him just to make sure they got his brother. The new staff realized the guy was a player and plugged him in and he wins Defensive Player of the Year in his conference. He doesn't have a left hand. That's going to limit him with some things and that's going to hurt his draft value, but he's fast and athletic and makes a ton of plays." -- NFC team scouting director

Bottom Line

Griffin's physical limitation should be discussed as it pertains to areas like tackle disengagement and consistency of finishing, but his instincts, play speed and technique have all been major factors in helping him thrive at his position. His upfield burst as an edge blitzer and his range as a tackler are two strengths that NFL teams could capitalize on. Griffin could hear his name on day three of the draft, but if not, his competitive spirit and playmaking talent give him a shot to make a roster at some point in his career.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Ittakestime said:

Let's not go overboard with Rosen's accuracy.  Averaged about 61% in college, had a high of 62.6% this year.   Not the greatest.

 

Just a note that completion percentage is not the same thing as accuracy.

 

A guy can have fantastic WR who help him out - come back, dive, jump, adjust, and have higher completion percentage.

A guy can throw dimes, have "B" grade WR who don't help him out that much and drop balls, and have lower completion percentage

 

Whatever that means, UCLA WR and Louisville WR were scored at 34 drops apiece (11% and 12% of throws).  Allen's WR 6 or 7%.

 

Accuracy means you put it right where your WR expect it.  Rosen clearly does that.

[Cripple Creek]

3 hours ago, Ittakestime said:

 

You want me to elaborate on Rosen or Mayfield?

 

Rosen looks like he just doesn't care out there today.  Throws are off, struggling with placement, outside throws are not even in bounds, etc. The kid drops back and you can tell he could careless about going through these drills.

 

Mayfield is dropping dimes while giving 100% effort.  The dude is taking drop backs and is acting like it is a game situation. 

 

Rosen needs to humble himself.  People get on Mayfield for being cocky, but Rosen has that quiet, know it all, arrogance that  will kill him.

Does that mean that Mayfield is at his ceiling and Rosen has room to grow? Think of the Celtics...all out effort during the regular season. When post season rolls around and everyone is giving maximum effort they are just another team.  Will Mayfield be just another QB?

[BillsSbSoon]

8 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Does that mean that Mayfield is at his ceiling and Rosen has room to grow? Think of the Celtics...all out effort during the regular season. When post season rolls around and everyone is giving maximum effort they are just another team.  Will Mayfield be just another QB?

Rosen is my guy but theres just something about baker..people are going to rally around this guy. He doesnt have the talent of favre and kelly but his demeanor reminds me a lot of them. He is a buffalo type of qb. 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Vick is a more accurate comparison.  Phenomenal athlete, live arm, but wildly inaccurate several times per game.

 

He displayed, today, the same inconsistent accuracy that he's shown throughout his college career.

 

The deep ball that landed 3 yards, "in the dirt", behind the receiver on a go route was telling.

And the great Josh Rosen threw an out into the turf. Does that make Rosen inaccurate?

1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Who said TT? I didn't. I just watched him throw at the combine though and he is not a consistently accurate passer. I saw Rosen and Mayfield and Allen all throw consistently good balls. I saw Jackson throw TWO balls that were so bad Irvin laughed at them and called them turkeys. 

So you missed the one Rosen threw into the turf? And Steve Smith Sr. called them pheasants. I believe those were the only 2 he missed.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Who said TT? I didn't. I just watched him throw at the combine though and he is not a consistently accurate passer. I saw Rosen and Mayfield and Allen all throw consistently good balls. I saw Jackson throw TWO balls that were so bad Irvin laughed at them and called them turkeys. 

None of them had a particulary good day throwing the ball......

 

I dont get influenced on what a announcer says......sheep do that.....and I dont base off some throws or one game either..

 

You look at a players overall game.....and the guy was dynamic in college....and has NFL tools.

[Reed83HOF]

Hard not to fall in love with the quick release and arm...my god

 

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/970081613798240257

 

 

Edited March 3, 2018 by Reed83HOF

[OldTimer1960]

On 3/1/2018 at 3:39 PM, Commonsense said:

I agree. Off the board entirely. That is a lazy SOB. 

I agree.  A guy that big that does that has clearly not trained.  Add in his historically terrible 40 time and he might not get picked before the 5th round.  He sure doesn’t appear to be the kind of player that McDermott is looking for.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Captain Murica said:

 Rosen’s WRs has over 40 drops this season...

 Number I heard was 34.

Does contain the number "4"

[Ittakestime]

Kurt Warner just said he wasn't impressed with Rosen today and he looked shaky.  So my impressions of him today weren't unjustified.