Benjamin Allbright - Bills Calling Around Looking for A Top 10 Pick

[eball]

In other hot NFL news, it has been reported that the Buffalo Bills are doing a lot of research heading into free agency and the draft.  Almost like they are preparing or something.

[Commish]

4 minutes ago, eball said:

In other hot NFL news, it has been reported that the Buffalo Bills are doing a lot of research heading into free agency and the draft.  Almost like they are preparing or something.

[MAJBobby]

18 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

This guy is a co-host on a Denver Radio Sports show.

He has already talked about Denver moving up to guarantee the 2nd best QB.

 

If Denver doesn't get a FA QB, Donkey fans will be livid if Elway lets other teams jump them for the 2nd best in the draft.

 

 

 

 

Denver doesnt have the Draft Captital really to out bid us. Though

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, CajunBillsBacker said:

If it’s top 10 and not top 2, I have a feeling the target is Josh Allen. Unless of course the plan is to trade up twice.

 

If the Bills trade up for Josh Allen, the countdown to the next regime begins immediately. That is pretty much the only move they could make that would guarantee to me they aren't the answer.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Every unpopular move that was made last year was thought to be done so that we can get our QB this year. At this point, I would be pissed if we don’t move up.

I’m becoming more and more frustrated that the Matt Ryan “fumble” wasn’t overturned and that Paganini didn’t try to get closer for the game winning FG.

[JaCrispy]

5 hours ago, MJS said:

 

Yeah, because I'm pretty sure previous regimes didn't know that at all. They hated good QB's, right?

Pretty much 

[26CornerBlitz]

One man's opinion.

 

[bouds]

27 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

One man's opinion.

 

Think he's right.  We're going to pay a ransom to move up inside the top 10.

[RochesterRob]

22 minutes ago, bouds said:

Think he's right.  We're going to pay a ransom to move up inside the top 10.

  We are not paying a ransom so we are not moving up.  Call it a gut feeling but depending on how any grievances play out (Cousins, McCarron) I feel we are going to get Cousins on a rich deal.  I'm thinking that the Pegula's are ready to give Cousins a contract weighted very heavy for 2019 and 2020 before anybody else comes due.  Incognito and Clay will be gone by then, too.

[Alphadawg7]

If its going to cost the Bills 2 firsts and 2 seconds, then hard pass.  We dont need to spend that much to go get a QB, at least one is going to start to slip now that Smith was traded to Wash and Cousins is going to fill someones need at QB.

 

Browns will take one in top 4.  Giants and Indy are not taking a QB, but quite possible they trade down.  Cousins likely goes to either Denver, Jets, or Cardinals.  I think its the Broncos, best overall situation for both sides.

 

Assuming its Broncos, that just leaves the Jets there to get a QB.  Would they even trade up?  I also think its quite possible Cardinals prefer Lamar Jackson the way Arians is gushing about him and thinks he is special and best QB in the draft.  That opinion was formed while scouting these QB's as a team while the HC of the Cardinals, so quite possible and likely the team feels strongly about Lamar too.  And AZ doesn't need to likely trade up to get him.  

 

So I dont think the market is going to be as "in demand" as people think.  All the talk is that Allen is the guy Browns prefer.  So if someone trades to #2 to get Rosen, and Allen goes #1 or #4, that leaves just one more team in the top 10 for both Baker and Darnold.  Next threat (without a trade up) is possibly Miami with some people guessing they may grab a QB (which I dont think they will personally).  

 

So its a lock that 2 QB's go top 10, but its not a lock that you need to be top 10 to get one of the 4.  And its possible only 2 go top 10 if Cousins goes to either Broncos or Jets.  So I think its going to be foolish to give 4 picks in the first 2 rounds this year when we can probably let the draft unfold and move up cheaper at a lower pick than 2 and grab one of the guys who are still on the board, probably Darnold or Baker. 

 

Baker is my favorite pick at QB in the draft.  And its not even out of the question to see him fall to us at 21 if Cousins goes to Broncos/Jets and AZ takes Lamar.

Edited February 18, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[par73]

To ensure they get the QB they want, the Bills need to get to the two spot-- top ten won't cut it.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

If its going to cost the Bills 2 firsts and 2 seconds, then hard pass.  We dont need to spend that much to go get a QB, at least one is going to start to slip now that Smith was traded to Wash and Cousins is going to fill someones need at QB.

 

Browns will take one in top 4.  Giants and Indy are not taking a QB, but quite possible they trade down.  Cousins likely goes to either Denver, Jets, or Cardinals.  I think its the Broncos, best overall situation for both sides.

 

Assuming its Broncos, that just leaves the Jets there to get a QB.  Would they even trade up?  I also think its quite possible Cardinals prefer Lamar Jackson the way Arians is gushing about him and thinks he is special and best QB in the draft.  That opinion was formed while scouting these QB's as a team while the HC of the Cardinals, so quite possible and likely the team feels strongly about Lamar too.  And AZ doesn't need to likely trade up to get him.  

 

So I dont think the market is going to be as "in demand" as people think.  All the talk is that Allen is the guy Browns prefer.  So if someone trades to #2 to get Rosen, and Allen goes #1 or #4, that leaves just one more team in the top 10 for both Baker and Darnold.  Next threat (without a trade up) is possibly Miami with some people guessing they may grab a QB (which I dont think they will personally).  

 

So its a lock that 2 QB's go top 10, but its not a lock that you need to be top 10 to get one of the 4.  And its possible only 2 go top 10 if Cousins goes to either Broncos or Jets.  So I think its going to be foolish to give 4 picks in the first 2 rounds this year when we can probably let the draft unfold and move up cheaper at a lower pick than 2 and grab one of the guys who are still on the board, probably Darnold or Baker. 

 

Baker is my favorite pick at QB in the draft.  And its not even out of the question to see him fall to us at 21 if Cousins goes to Broncos/Jets and AZ takes Lamar.

 

...good assessment...my wild hunch is that McBeane plays his draft capital closely and isn't moving up......also plays his FA dollars wisely with no "all in moves" in either arena for ONE player....he has assembled a formidable personnel staff on Pegula's dollar and I think they'll shop for maximum value/body count......not realistic to expect them to plug EVERY hole in this, their 1st draft, but they CAN make a significant dent IMO......agree that Jackson seems like a good fit in 'Zona and maybe a similar styled backup ala TT fits as well....or they re-sign UFA Stanton again who has been around for 10 years for 2 years/$8 mil ($4 mil) guaranteed to mentor Jackson or let him walk....are the Browns STILL hot after McCarron now that he is a UFA as a Kizer mentor if he is their eventual guy?.....tons of questions out there....hard to envision Mayfield falling to 21 and I'm not sure if he fits the McBeane/McD/Daboll mold (whatever the hell that is going to be) for 2018......wouldn't surprise me much if Rudolph is McBeane's safe pick at 21......he may slip at which time longer shots like White, Lauletta or Falk are in play, but I doubt he waits......

[Buddo]

TBH, I think the Giants would be mad to pass up the opportunity to take a QB. Too much available talent, and too high a pick, to use on another position. Doesn't matter if they see Eli having another 3 good years, either, as you are talking about positioning yourself (i.e. franchise), for a further 12 years or so of success.

 

If the Bills were in that same position, I would be telling the GM to get a QB, if I was the Owner, and I rather suspect that Mara will be doing the same.

Truth be told, if you are picking in the top 2, and there are 2 top QB prospects, you probably should be taking one of them regardless. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Buddo said:

TBH, I think the Giants would be mad to pass up the opportunity to take a QB. Too much available talent, and too high a pick, to use on another position. Doesn't matter if they see Eli having another 3 good years, either, as you are talking about positioning yourself (i.e. franchise), for a further 12 years or so of success.

 

If the Bills were in that same position, I would be telling the GM to get a QB, if I was the Owner, and I rather suspect that Mara will be doing the same.

Truth be told, if you are picking in the top 2, and there are 2 top QB prospects, you probably should be taking one of them regardless. 

 

...interesting.....Casserly was on NFLN saying it would "be a waste for Gettleman to pick Rosen and have him sit two years behind Eli because he is the most NFL ready QB in the draft".....

[OldTimer1960]

9 hours ago, purple haze said:

Cousins said winning is the most important thing he's looking for.  Won't be the Browns if that's the case.  He will make a lot of money wherever he goes. 

Don’t be surprised if the Browns are MUCH better in 2018.  They have some talent now and have picks 1, 4, 33, 35, 65.  They could add Cousins, Saquon Barkley and some trench help and be pretty good pretty quick.

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Denver doesnt have the Draft Captital really to out bid us. Though

This isn’t true.  It would take the Bills’ two 1sts and both 2nd round picks to beat Denver’s 1, 2 & 3.

[3rdand12]

47 minutes ago, par73 said:

To ensure they get the QB they want, the Bills need to get to the two spot-- top ten won't cut it.

Then , I'm out.

 Not enough of a supporting cast and they still need the bridge QB. and the Bills have NEVER developed a qb, (IMHO)

Too soon.

 They should work this seasons draft to try to move up in next years draft.

 Bills should still draft one for sure. But one that falls nearer to them at 21, 22.

 Parley some for next season's draft and solidify the core with this years.
 

 

31 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...good assessment...my wild hunch is that McBeane plays his draft capital closely and isn't moving up......also plays his FA dollars wisely with no "all in moves" in either arena for ONE player....he has assembled a formidable personnel staff on Pegula's dollar and I think they'll shop for maximum value/body count......not realistic to expect them to plug EVERY hole in this, their 1st draft, but they CAN make a significant dent IMO......agree that Jackson seems like a good fit in 'Zona and maybe a similar styled backup ala TT fits as well....or they re-sign UFA Stanton again who has been around for 10 years for 2 years/$8 mil ($4 mil) guaranteed to mentor Jackson or let him walk....are the Browns STILL hot after McCarron now that he is a UFA as a Kizer mentor if he is their eventual guy?.....tons of questions out there....hard to envision Mayfield falling to 21 and I'm not sure if he fits the McBeane/McD/Daboll mold (whatever the hell that is going to be) for 2018......wouldn't surprise me much if Rudolph is McBeane's safe pick at 21......he may slip at which time longer shots like White, Lauletta or Falk are in play, but I doubt he waits......

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16 minutes ago, Buddo said:

TBH, I think the Giants would be mad to pass up the opportunity to take a QB. Too much available talent, and too high a pick, to use on another position. Doesn't matter if they see Eli having another 3 good years, either, as you are talking about positioning yourself (i.e. franchise), for a further 12 years or so of success.

 

If the Bills were in that same position, I would be telling the GM to get a QB, if I was the Owner, and I rather suspect that Mara will be doing the same.

Truth be told, if you are picking in the top 2, and there are 2 top QB prospects, you probably should be taking one of them regardless. 

Yes I expect the Giants to pick a shiny new QB for the the regime.

Manning would be a great mentor. They might trade out feeling they will still get their guy though.

7 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Don’t be surprised if the Browns are MUCH better in 2018.  They have some talent now and have picks 1, 4, 33, 35, 65.  They could add Cousins, Saquon Barkley and some trench help and be pretty good pretty quick.

This isn’t true.  It would take the Bills’ two 1sts and both 2nd round picks to beat Denver’s 1, 2 & 3.

Browns. yep

[Buddo]

11 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...interesting.....Casserly was on NFLN saying it would "be a waste for Gettleman to pick Rosen and have him sit two years behind Eli because he is the most NFL ready QB in the draft".....

 

Probably why Casserly is no longer employed by a team.....

 

You could also then argue, that they could pick Allen there, as he's got the most upside, yet needs to sit for a couple.

 

The other side to that, is that if injuries happen, the older you get, the longer it takes to recover from them, so having someone who can step in at a moments notice, is a good thing.

 

The Giants shouldn't be expecting to draft this high again, in a hurry. They have got lucky, in that an unusually bad season for them, has coincided with one of the best QB classes for a while. (FWIW, last time they were in the top 5, they drafted Rivers @ #4)

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, Buddo said:

 

Probably why Casserly is no longer employed by a team.....

 

You could also then argue, that they could pick Allen there, as he's got the most upside, yet needs to sit for a couple.

 

The other side to that, is that if injuries happen, the older you get, the longer it takes to recover from them, so having someone who can step in at a moments notice, is a good thing.

 

The Giants shouldn't be expecting to draft this high again, in a hurry. They have got lucky, in that an unusually bad season for them, has coincided with one of the best QB classes for a while. (FWIW, last time they were in the top 5, they drafted Rivers @ #4)

 

....LMAO...I was trying to be respectful........he did get Mario right AND stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night...

[GrizzReaper]

I hope they do move up to 2 and get the best QB otb... Get our franchise QB and be done with it. Beane and McDermot did a pretty good job last season with the talent they had on hand. Even better than most of us expected. A solid QB from the draft could really push them to the next level.

 

I think if they can land say Rosen... They'll have plugged a big hole and can sort through the rest later. I honestly think they can afford to give up some draft capital if they are confident the QB they move up for is a long term anwser to the position.

 

Its been awhile since our Bills have had the ammo in the draft to pull off a move like this. I'm all for it... Take the gamble Beane!

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, Buddo said:

TBH, I think the Giants would be mad to pass up the opportunity to take a QB. Too much available talent, and too high a pick, to use on another position. Doesn't matter if they see Eli having another 3 good years, either, as you are talking about positioning yourself (i.e. franchise), for a further 12 years or so of success.

 

If the Bills were in that same position, I would be telling the GM to get a QB, if I was the Owner, and I rather suspect that Mara will be doing the same.

Truth be told, if you are picking in the top 2, and there are 2 top QB prospects, you probably should be taking one of them regardless. 

 

Very good point.

But for the sake of argument say that the Giants do not pick a QB.

What are their thoughts of acquiring one next year.

If it is out of the draft they will need a lot more high picks to increase their odds.

 

So, if NYG don't pick a QB the smartest thing they could do is make sure they get another 1st round pick in 2019.

A lot of pundits saying give Eli at least another year.

What if they do and go 8-8 +/- 1 game and don't make the playoffs.

Now all they got is a mid level 1st round pick and a need for a QB.

 

What the Giants do this year is going to be very interesting!

[jimmy10]

7 hours ago, eball said:

In other hot NFL news, it has been reported that the Buffalo Bills are doing a lot of research heading into free agency and the draft.  Almost like they are preparing or something.

 

Smoke and mirrors, E, smoke and mirrors. Don't fall for it. 

[co_springs_billsfan]

On 2/17/2018 at 1:57 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Disappointed this didn't have the cat...

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

Disappointed this didn't have the cat...

The cat will come out to pounce on the QB once the trade is announced 

[sven233]

19 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

If you advocate trading both of our 1st round picks AND next years pick to trade up it will be a while before they can try again certainly not next year.

But you won't be trying next year.  Heck, the guy may not even play until next year.  By the time you know if you have your guy or not, you will have a full bank of picks again.

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, Buddo said:

If the Bills were in that same position, I would be telling the GM to get a QB, if I was the Owner, and I rather suspect that Mara will be doing the same.

Truth be told, if you are picking in the top 2, and there are 2 top QB prospects, you probably should be taking one of them regardless. 

 

I am sure Chargers GM said same thing when they drafted Ryan Leaf.

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

I am sure Chargers GM said same thing when they drafted Ryan Leaf.

 

 

Maybe. And probably the Colts GM, Polian, said the same thing too as he picked Peyton Manning.

 

This is a rich QB draft.

 

You're right that they might make a mistake. They've got to try to figure out who the best guy/guys are and get a genuinely good one. You get a guy at a position that is rich in that draft when you have the ability to trade up. Which is now.

 

But I might feel differently if I had Eli Manning on this team and felt I could get another two or three years and a shot or two at a Lombardi out of him.

Edited February 19, 2018 by Thurman#1

[Buddo]

6 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

I am sure Chargers GM said same thing when they drafted Ryan Leaf.

 

They didn't have the luxury of the Browns picking ahead of them though.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

On 2/17/2018 at 4:15 PM, BrooklynBills said:

This would be a setup to get to #2 IMO.

 

Something like 21, 53, Shaq Lawson to CHI for 8.

Then 8, 22, Glenn, 19 2nd for 2

I wouldnt doubt Beane has already talked to Gettleman and was told get a top 10 pick and we have the framework for a deal

 

It’s going to take more to go from #21 to #8 I think

[Punching Bag]

Ryan Leaf was one of those "sure fire" QBs that year.  There is reason mock drafts are called that - pickers should be mocked.

[Mrbojanglezs]

21 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

If the Bills trade up for Josh Allen, the countdown to the next regime begins immediately. That is pretty much the only move they could make that would guarantee to me they aren't the answer.

Unless of course Allen ends up being good. 

[Steptide]

I know I'm late to this discussion, but I'd find it hard to believe if the bills are really trying that hard to get into the top 10 already. I know beane is the gm, but with McDermott being incredibly thorough about everything, I'd be surprised if they 100% had their guy before the combine or free agency even started. That woukd seem panicky to me and I don't see McDermott or beane being that way 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

17 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Unless of course Allen ends up being good. 

 

It's not a bet I would make if my job was on the line. Then again NFL guys are size queens.

[OldTimer1960]

7 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I know I'm late to this discussion, but I'd find it hard to believe if the bills are really trying that hard to get into the top 10 already. I know beane is the gm, but with McDermott being incredibly thorough about everything, I'd be surprised if they 100% had their guy before the combine or free agency even started. That woukd seem panicky to me and I don't see McDermott or beane being that way 

I don't see it that way.  They have had an entire year to scout all of these QBs.  I am sure that they have dissected all of them in great deal off film study, have information on them all from coaches and players and likely have seen them all play or practice live.  The combine interviews and team visits are important to get a feel for each player's personality and how they process information, but I strongly believe they already have good idea about those things as well - teams spend millions of $ on this and it all starts far far in advance of the Senior Bowl and Combine.

22 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Unless of course Allen ends up being good. 

I am with you - Allen could certainly turn out to be good.  His accuracy is a concern, but his supporting cast is a big mitigating factor.  His team was seriously undermanned against most competition.  That could certainly help to explain his lower completion % (or he could just not be accurate).

[Thurman#1]

17 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Very good point.

But for the sake of argument say that the Giants do not pick a QB.

What are their thoughts of acquiring one next year.

If it is out of the draft they will need a lot more high picks to increase their odds.

 

So, if NYG don't pick a QB the smartest thing they could do is make sure they get another 1st round pick in 2019.

A lot of pundits saying give Eli at least another year.

What if they do and go 8-8 +/- 1 game and don't make the playoffs.

Now all they got is a mid level 1st round pick and a need for a QB.

 

What the Giants do this year is going to be very interesting!

 

 

I strongly disagree. The Giants need to make their decision, Eli for another two or three years or draft a QB.

 

If they do go with Eli, they need to spend every bit of draft and FA capital they have going for a championship in the time Eli is here. That would be my guess, personally, but I could easily see them going the other way and drafting a QB high instead and building for the future. They have got to either completely go for it in the short window Eli provides (and think of the disaster it was for them last year benching Eli), or build for the long-term with a new pick.

[mjt328]

35 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I know I'm late to this discussion, but I'd find it hard to believe if the bills are really trying that hard to get into the top 10 already. I know beane is the gm, but with McDermott being incredibly thorough about everything, I'd be surprised if they 100% had their guy before the combine or free agency even started. That woukd seem panicky to me and I don't see McDermott or beane being that way 

 

The reports say Top 10, but don't get more specific on how high.

 

My guess is that our front office is either:

1)  Doing their homework, but won't make a move into the Top 10 until the clock is running and they are absolutely certain to get the guy they want.

2)  Looking to move into the Top 1-4 picks, if they are comfortable with landing whichever prospect is left when they pick.

3)  Putting out a smokescreen.

 

I seriously doubt the Bills will make a trade into picks #5 or later, more than 2 months before the draft even happens.  That would possibly be the stupidest move in the history of professional sports.  At that pick, they have no idea who would actually be sitting on the board.  They have no idea if another trade opportunity would present itself.  And they would be leaving the door open for another QB-needy team like Arizona to jump ahead of them.

 

 

 

[OldTimer1960]

13 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I strongly disagree. The Giants need to make their decision, Eli for another two or three years or draft a QB.

 

If they do go with Eli, they need to spend every bit of draft and FA capital they have going for a championship in the time Eli is here. That would be my guess, personally, but I could easily see them going the other way and drafting a QB high instead and building for the future. They have got to either completely go for it in the short window Eli provides (and think of the disaster it was for them last year benching Eli), or build for the long-term with a new pick.

I can see what you are saying, but I also think that they could do both.  I think they could use the second pick to take a QB and then use the remaining picks to try to build for that run with Eli.  

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

They have got to either completely go for it in the short window Eli provides (and think of the disaster it was for them last year benching Eli), or build for the long-term with a new pick.

 

Make no mistake... the mishandling of the Eli situation in season is playing a part here.  I think they made such a mess of it the fan reaction was so bad they almost believe they need to give Eli another shot. I've watched a fair bit of Giants game tape in the past couple of weeks.  I challenge anyone to legitimately say that he was the biggest problem with that offense last year.  Atrocious line play, zero run game and their weapons getting injured (beyond a rookie TE who is really a WR) were all much bigger factors in the decline than Eli.  

 

That isn't to say I wouldn't go QB if I were them.  I would.  But I think they fact that they blamed a franchise legend so publicly for something that was clearly not his fault is now factoring into their future decision making.  

 

 

1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I can see what you are saying, but I also think that they could do both.  I think they could use the second pick to take a QB and then use the remaining picks to try to build for that run with Eli.  

 

The problem with that is Eli was clear last year he'd rather leave than be constantly looking over his shoulder.  He has been the guy lurking in the corner of the room when Kurt Warner was the Quarterback.  He knows that in those circumstances franchises are looking for any excuse to pull the vet for their young guy because he was that young guy who got in despite not giving them "the best chance to win" immediately.  Eli has been through it from the other end and he is not going to allow himself to end up in the Kurt Warner position. He has sufficient capital with the fanbase and the Mara to get what he wants.  

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[26CornerBlitz]

As expected at this time of year, Allbright said the Bills are making due dilligence calls to see what teams are willing to trade out of the top ten.   He specifically mentioned the Colts as a team that would be amenable to trading out of the #3 spot.  This comes as no surprise and Allbright stated there will be multiple teams looking to get into that slot. 

[zevo]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

As expected at this time of year, Allbright said the Bills are making due dilligence calls to see what teams are willing to trade out of the top ten.   He specifically mentioned the Colts as a team that would be amenable to trading out of the #3 spot.  This comes as no surprise and Allbright stated there will be multiple teams looking to get into that slot. 

I thought he mentioned that there are multiple teams that would be interested in trading back