RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) “You learn if you play passive, if you play conservative, if you call plays conservatively, you are going to be 8-8, 9-7 every year. Every year. Frank and I just having that collaborative spirit to talk about things and talk with our quarterbacks and just come up with ways of keeping this game fresh and fun and exciting for our players. And that’s really where it all stems from.” Edited February 6, 2018 by RalphWilson'sNewWar 9 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: “You learn if you play passive, if you play conservative, if you call plays conservatively, you are going to be 8-8, 9-7 every year. Every year. Frank and I just having that collaborative spirit to talk about things and talk with our quarterbacks and just come up with ways of keeping this game fresh and fun and exciting for our players. And that’s really where it all stems from.” marrone taking a knee with :54 left in the first half and 2 timeouts says hello 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I, and I'm sure a few others, made this point last night. One of the biggest areas I would like to see growth from McD is in terms of being aggressive. That feels weird to say about a coach who benched his starter in the middle of a playoff run for a rookie QB but it rings true to me. McD, and maybe Dennison contributed, ran a very conservative offense. Punting in OT was the most egregious example but there were many more. Sure, personnel plays a role in that, but Foles isn't Brady...and neither is Burton for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I saw that this a.m. And immediately thought of our coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 McD and Marrone disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Question is will Frank Reich get a head coaching job before McDermott is inevitably fired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Question is will Frank Reich get a head coaching job before McDermott is inevitably fired? Something to monitor in the next 1-2 seasons. Because we can’t rely on playing dolphin fourth string QBs and Andy Dalton every time we want to make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Fourth and goal, if you don't get it the Pats can't take a knee to let time run out (safety). Was brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, Gary M said: Fourth and goal, if you don't get it the Pats can't take a knee to let time run out (safety). Was brilliant What about 4th on your own 40? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) If you have talent on your team then you can take more chances. If not then you have to be more conservative like the Bills were last year. I don't think I would categorize McD as overly conservative without a few seasons of data. Edited February 5, 2018 by bmur66 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 28 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: “You learn if you play passive, if you play conservative, if you call plays conservatively, you are going to be 8-8, 9-7 every year. Every year. Frank and I just having that collaborative spirit to talk about things and talk with our quarterbacks and just come up with ways of keeping this game fresh and fun and exciting for our players. And that’s really where it all stems from.” Whoaoa! Now this is Exhibit A of how, when you get a guy out from under his mentor, he may morph in a way you do NOT expect. 3 years under Andy Reid as OC did NOT lead me to predict this quote! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, bmur66 said: If you have talent on your team then you can take more chances. If not then you have to be more conservative like the Bills were last year. I don't think I would categorize McD as overly conservative without a few seasons of data. I fully agree. You have to have the horses, on both sides of the ball, to be aggressive. Way too many weaknesses on the Bills this year on O and D which forces a general conservativeness 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 It's much easier to be aggressive when you have faith in your offense getting short yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 PROTECT THE BALL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, Woodman19 said: It's much easier to be aggressive when you have faith in your offense getting short yards. Or when you average like 7 yards per carry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: . That feels weird to say about a coach who benched his starter in the middle of a playoff run for a rookie QB . Stop with that. Your QB came from a 65 yards passing game and you think still playing him is be agressive. The move certainly wasn't go well but not was a consevative move. And play agressive without smarts is stupid Edited February 5, 2018 by poblano 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 This year's Bills won more games by being conservative than they would have if they took risks. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 56 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: McD and Marrone disagree Marrone has way more balls than McD at this point. McD made me miss marrone by the way he coached in the playoffs this year. McD punted on 4th and 1 in ot in a blizzard at what like the 35? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Before we all start piling on Buffalo's coaching staff, there's a big difference in playing aggressive with a cast like Blount/Ajayi/Jeffery/Ertz/Agholor/Torrey Smith and Nick Foles playing the best football of his life vs. playing aggressive with guys like Deonte Thompson and Andre Holmes with Tyrod at QB. Some teams have one formula for winning; for McDermott's team this year, his conservative approach was the correct one. What's most important is that he learns to adapt as the makeup of his team changes. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) All comes down to having a QB that has the skills to make it happen. That is willing to hang it out to drive that team to a win. Without it you get conservative Taylor made of not good enough. Scheme of a limited QB. Tyrod is a QB that needs to be carried, sure would be nice to have a QB that is good enough to run a full play book. Tyrod is a QB that will get coachs fired for his not good enough, just see the last 3 years. Edited February 5, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Buddy Hix said: I, and I'm sure a few others, made this point last night. One of the biggest areas I would like to see growth from McD is in terms of being aggressive. That feels weird to say about a coach who benched his starter in the middle of a playoff run for a rookie QB but it rings true to me. McD, and maybe Dennison contributed, ran a very conservative offense. Punting in OT was the most egregious example but there were many more. Sure, personnel plays a role in that, but Foles isn't Brady...and neither is Burton for that matter. After Dennisons firing, im all in on the "it was Dennisons call to bench Tyrod" conspiracy. McDerm took the heat cuz hes the HC but promptly fired him at seasons end. I think with a better offense we will call more aggressive game plans next year. McDerm has to have confidence our team can execute those calls before he hits the red button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said: This year's Bills won more games by being conservative than they would have if they took risks. how can you even say that? that's pure speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: Tyrod is a QB that will get coachs fired for his not good enough, just see the last 3 years. Except for that time Tyrod go his OC promoted to HC in San Diego. Give it a rest man. Take that Tyrod dong out of your mouth. Its over. Hes gone. Were getting a new QB. #MayfieldtoTheBills@#6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 You need a qb to be aggressive though. Peterman was aggressive.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Except for that time Tyrod go his OC promoted to HC in San Diego. Give it a rest man. Take that Tyrod dong out of your mouth. Its over. Hes gone. Were getting a new QB. #MayfieldtoTheBills@#6 The Bills may indeed move up to get Mayfield, but do you really believe that the Jets will trade down to 21/22 so that their divisional opponent can get the QB that they want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Except for that time Tyrod go his OC promoted to HC in San Diego. Give it a rest man. Take that Tyrod dong out of your mouth. Its over. Hes gone. Were getting a new QB. #MayfieldtoTheBills@#6 He got fired from the Bills. Many coaches get better jobs after getting fired. Let's not pretend he got a promotion here, he got fired from here, not asked to return, that is FIRED. Many assume we are going all in on getting a better QB, sadly after so many years of fail at OBD at pulling the trigger on one we could be talking QB again next off season again with Tyrod still in the fold here. Edited February 5, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: “You learn if you play passive, if you play conservative, if you call plays conservatively, you are going to be 8-8, 9-7 every year. Every year. Frank and I just having that collaborative spirit to talk about things and talk with our quarterbacks and just come up with ways of keeping this game fresh and fun and exciting for our players. And that’s really where it all stems from.” You don't win games against NE with ground and pound game plan, this is a passing league and losers will always think they can ground and pound while NE continues to pass their way to Super Bowl after Super Bowl. He was smart enough to understand you are not beat Brady with FG'S. The fact that Bills have one worst group of wr's in the NFL tells you everything you need to know what they want to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuklz2594 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 you play to win the game....herm edwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: He got fired from the Bills. Many coaches get better jobs after getting fired. Let's not pretend he got a promotion here, he got fired from here, not asked to return, that is FIRED. Many assume we are going all in on getting a better QB, sadly after so many years of fail at OBD at pulling the trigger on one we could be talking QB again next off season with Tyrod still in the fold here. Except for that time where ALynn got promoted from RB coach to OC. Then OC to HC. Then went to a better team as a HC. Lmao If we dont draft a QB early in the 1st. Im gonna be pissed. We shouldve grabbed mahomes or watson last year. This year will be mutiny if they dont take a good one. 5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: The Bills may indeed move up to get Mayfield, but do you really believe that the Jets will trade down to 21/22 so that their divisional opponent can get the QB that they want? Whoops. Thought #6 was the Broncos pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Did he say "You actually don't need a throwing QB. Or two of them like we have. A game manager who is reluctant to throw, backed up by somebody who can't play at all, is plenty as a key to success" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 A fantastic quote with the literal proof to back it up. Spin it any way you want, unless you have a legendary D that can win games for you, Pederson is exactly right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: “You learn if you play passive, if you play conservative, if you call plays conservatively, you are going to be 8-8, 9-7 every year. Every year. Frank and I just having that collaborative spirit to talk about things and talk with our quarterbacks and just come up with ways of keeping this game fresh and fun and exciting for our players. And that’s really where it all stems from.” He's absolutely right. Conservative play calling is for those who play not to lose instead of going for the win. The pass to Foles at the goal line was the kind of ballsy call that wins games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, ProcessTheTrust said: A fantastic quote with the literal proof to back it up. Spin it any way you want, unless you have a legendary D that can win games for you, Pederson is exactly right. Is it though? This is coming from the coach that had a chance to put the game away by throwing for a 1st down on 3rd-and-6 with 1:56 remaining, but instead chose to run the ball, attempt a non-chip-shot FG, and give the ball to Tom Brady. An unrelentingly aggressive coach would've taken his 2 shots at getting 6 yards to keep Brady off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Is it though? This is coming from the coach that had a chance to put the game away by throwing for a 1st down on 3rd-and-6 with 1:56 remaining, but instead chose to run the ball, attempt a non-chip-shot FG, and give the ball to Tom Brady. An unrelentingly aggressive coach would've taken his 2 shots at getting 6 yards to keep Brady off the field. Come on...the guy was trying to eat up as much clock as he could and ensure they had an 8 point lead with what time remained. He's aggressive...not stupid. Edited February 5, 2018 by ProcessTheTrust 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Something to monitor in the next 1-2 seasons. Because we can’t rely on playing dolphin fourth string QBs and Andy Dalton every time we want to make the playoffs. It was McD's first year in cleaning up the Ryan cluster that was left behind. We made the playoffs despite cleaning house and picking up a bunch of draft picks. This constant nitpicking is far from helpful and is not even accurate. Don't forget Pederson went 7-9 last year which fits the middling category. My point i, McD got us to the playoffs. I don't like Marrone but he got the Jags (yes the freaking Jags!!) to the AFC championship game. These are 1st year coaches in their programs. You have to give them the opportunity to assemble the right staff, players and scheme to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Sounds like we shoulda hired Frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, ProcessTheTrust said: Come on...the guy was trying to eat up as much clock as he could and ensure they had an 8 point lead with what time remained. He's aggressive...not stupid. Aggressive would be going for it to keep Brady from getting the ball back; he played it conservative. Now, it worked, so that's fine, but let's acknowledge that even Pederson's aggressiveness has its limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Is it though? This is coming from the coach that had a chance to put the game away by throwing for a 1st down on 3rd-and-6 with 1:56 remaining, but instead chose to run the ball, attempt a non-chip-shot FG, and give the ball to Tom Brady. An unrelentingly aggressive coach would've taken his 2 shots at getting 6 yards to keep Brady off the field. Everything is within context and reason my dude. You take the 8 point lead. Now trust your pass rushers to close it because with an 8 point lead rather than a 2 or 3 point lead, they are going to have to pass every play and now your pass rushers can pin their ears back and get the job done. That's exactly what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: Aggressive would be going for it to keep Brady from getting the ball back; he played it conservative. Now, it worked, so that's fine, but let's acknowledge that even Pederson's aggressiveness has its limitations. I guess we'll have to disagree. The guy was aggressive early and often. In that scenario at that end, not trying to eat clock and ensure an 8 point lead would have been insane. He's aggressive...maybe not Madden aggressive, but for an NFL HC, he's right up there. But if you need to win the argument, you win. 12 points for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, NewEraBills said: Everything is within context and reason my dude. You take the 8 point lead. Now trust your pass rushers to close it because with an 8 point lead rather than a 2 or 3 point lead, they are going to have to pass every play and now your pass rushers can pin their ears back and get the job done. That's exactly what happened. Actually, that's not what happened. NE got to midfield and had a chance at the end. My point is this: would you rather have 2 chances to gain 6 yards, or Tom Brady with the ball and 1:00 to score and convert a 2-point attempt? The aggressive move is to take your 2 shots at getting 6 yards; that's not what they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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