BigDingus Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-rosen-to-broncos-colts-grab-saquon-barkley/ #21 Mason Rudolph, QB, Oklahoma State. Rudolph checks the experience and production boxes Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane like, and they don't have to trade up to get him. He'll have to learn the footwork that's needed when taking snaps from under center, but he's a pocket quarterback first who refined his game in his last season in Stillwater. #22 Marcus Davenport, DE, UTSA. Davenport has all the tools to be a consistent havoc-wreaker off the edge, and Buffalo needs to bolster it's pass-rush. The University of Texas at San Antonio product isn't very raw, either. In college, he displayed a wide variety of counter moves to get to the quarterback, and he's a long, twitchy athlete. Ugh...I really hope this isn't the case. Not in the first round at least. Here's another one from a little earlier -. http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/12/13/2018-nfl-mock-draft-updated-4-round-projections-heading-into-week-15/3/ 21. Buffalo Bills | Mason Rudolph | QB | Oklahoma State Tyrod Taylor doesn’t look like the long-term answer for the Bills at quarterback, and the early returns aren’t promising on Nate Peterman. A bit of a reach this early, Rudolph is big, athletic and talented, but needs more polish and consistency. And another one - https://www.landof10.com/big-ten/nfl-mock-draft-2018-first-round-projections-top-players-2018-nfl-draft-order-january-10 And yet another - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2752231-2018-nfl-mock-draft-top-prospects-and-1st-round-projections-before-playoffs (although they have us picking at 26?) I do like that a lot of them have us taking his buddy James Washington, but do we really need to spend a 1st rounder on a WR when we don't have a QB? I'd rather us take a linemen over a WR with either of our first 2 picks... I mean we have 2 former #1 WR's of other teams in Matthews & Benjamin, plus we spent a 2nd on James Har...I mean Zay Jones. Anyway, if there's one QB I hope we don't take in the 1st round it's Mason Rudolph, and all these mock drafts have me worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Rudolph looks ok, but I don't know how high his ceiling is (compared to someone like Josh Allen). It depends on how boom-or-bust the new regime wants to be, and frankly they can't afford to bust this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Josh Allen stock will depend greatly on the Senior Bowl. He goes out there and performs he doesnt drop below the 10th pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I don't watch enough college football to have an opinion on anything other than stats. He does have good size, throws a lot of TD's, few Int's. On the other hand, completion percentage of about 60, and takes a lot of sacks (31 last year). For those who do watch a lot of college football: what is the major difference between Rudolph and a guy with similar numbers like Faulk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 If the Browns draft Darnold at #1 and Rosen is somehow still there at #4 (as per the CBS mock), I would be pissed if the Bills didn’t move up to get him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 We could really use Blitzin... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, Rico said: If the Browns draft Darnold at #1 and Rosen is somehow still there at #4 (as per the CBS mock), I would be pissed if the Bills didn’t move up to get him. The Colts at 3 and Browns at 4 both seem ripe for a trade up. If the Giants aren't sold on one of the QBs, I'd have to believe they are open for a trade as well. The big question would likely be if the Bills have enough other ammunition to overcome only dropping to 5 or 6 from the Broncos or Jets. Realistically we can give up #21 / #22 / 2019 1st and one of our 2018 2nds and only be "out" the 2019 1st. Is that better than #5 or #6, plus a 2019 1st from a potentially worse team plus another later pick? God I wish we had traded with Houston instead of Kansas City.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I want Josh Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Guys, Rudolph could be the next Aaron Rodgers. Please forgive me for the comparisons first impression and understand that I mean the knocks against him. For all all intents and purposes, Rudolph has the arm strength, leadership, accuracy, and size and athleticism to succeed in the NFL. So what’s the knock? Same as it was with Rodgers... ‘He doesn’t play under center.’ ‘It’s a simplistic offense that puts up video game numbers.’ ‘He’s not required to read the field.’ I’ve even heard the oh-so-damning claim that his hands are small. Hes a senior or who has gotten better every year and won a ton of games. I won’t be through the roof if he’s our guy but I’ll be cautiously optimistic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 My inside sources say Rudolph is more likely than Darnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The senior bowl will show how Davenport preforms against better competition. I like Rudolph but not sure if the Bills brainstrust will agree after the meat market and interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I like Rudolph better than most it seems. I'd be fine with that pick at 21! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I bet lots of people finally sat down and watched the game last Sunday and see that we need a QB. Hence the mocks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Murray Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 24 minutes ago, Rico said: If the Browns draft Darnold at #1 and Rosen is somehow still there at #4 (as per the CBS mock), I would be pissed if the Bills didn’t move up to get him. agree, seems us moving to 4 for the browns to reload on picks is the move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Honestly I see Buffalo bringing in a Vet. They said so yesterday. I took that as meaning we want to draft someone but they need a Vet to learn from. I’m thinking the Bills don’t draft a QB until the 3rd round. A Matt Smith, Drew Lock, Riley Ferguson etc Unless someone they like slips down the first or second rounds. Im telling you, they love Peterman potential. I see them grabbing a mid round QB to push Peterman. But knowing an Alex Smith, Bradford or Keenum will be our guy the next 2-3 years. But if the Bills like Rudolph they will still do the same, or Ryan Finley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: Im telling you, they love Peterman potential. Why do you say this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I must be one of the few who thinks trading into the top 5 as unrealistic and trading up to 10 not worth the difference in talent between a Allen and Rudolph. Therefore he seems like exactly the kind of fit we would go for without blowing all our picks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I would love them getting Rudolph even though I really want them to move up for Darnold/Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 If the Bills want to fill some holes and not burn their whole draft Rudolph is a candidate for sure. If they can nab him without moving up they very well might. What I don't know is how Beane feels about spending a first and sinking or swimming on a guy who is probably limited as to his ceiling. He would however be an immediate upgrade to what we have been used to seeing and there would be nothing to prevent Beane from picking another QB he might like more next year. I like Mayfield better but if he's 5'10" I have a hard time seeing Beane drafting him, assuming he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I’d be very happy with Rudolph. All qb’s are risky ultimately, but he is a first round talent. Not even sure if he’ll make it to us. But I like the idea of staying put and taking the best available at that spot. After Darnold and Rosen, there is a dropoff and pros/cons kind of balance out for the next tier. Just depends on what they value. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I don't see much of a difference between Rudolph and Bryce Petty. I don't see an elite NFL QB prospect. His game, and its fit in the NFL, looks limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 That is a pretty bad mock draft, even for a way too early mock. I'll eat my hat if Fitzpatrick isn't a guaranteed top ten pick for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Josh Allen stock will depend greatly on the Senior Bowl. He goes out there and performs he doesnt drop below the 10th pick And may we all hope Buffalo stays far away from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Why do you say this? How they’ve talked him up, how his team mates fill about him. Talk about how smart he is. Regardless of the San Diego game, it says a lot that McD wasn’t afraid to put him out there. Yes he wasn’t ready, but he’s also a rookie. I think they know with more time, experience, exposure to the nfl game etc, the game will eventually slow down. It always does. And leadership I assumes it will click for him. Me guessing I think they Bring in a proven Vet, Peterman and Rookie battle. We will see though. What I see happening... Bills trade a 2nd rd pick and a 2019 5th rd pick for Alex Smith. Then, Bills Trade out of one of our 1st round picks for a late 1st or early 2nd also gaining a late 2nd/early 3rd (pick used to get Alex Smith back essentially). Grabbing our QB with the late 1st/early 2nd. So Bills still end up with two 1st rd picks and two 2nd rd picks and also get Alex Smith, or Bills end up with the 21st pick, and 2 2nd picks, 1 early 3rd and get Alex Smith. But I don’t see them grabbing a QB with #21 or 22. They will trade down to gain more picks knowing those #5,6,7 rated QBs are all basically the same. Edited January 10, 2018 by 1ZAYDAY1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills of Boston Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Most mocks have that because they don’t want to go off the rails and start predicting trades. They choose the safest pick at each slot especially at this time of year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) If they take Mason Rudolph over Denzel Ward, Calvin Ridley or Vita Vea, I quit. 10 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: How they’ve talked him up, how his team mates fill about him. Talk about how smart he is. Regardless of the San Diego game, it says a lot that McD wasn’t afraid to put him out there. Yes he wasn’t ready, but he’s also a rookie. I think they know with more time, experience, exposure to the nfl game etc, the game will eventually slow down. It always does. And leadership I assumes it will click for him. Me guessing I think they Bring in a proven Vet, Peterman and Rookie battle. We will see though. What I see happening... Bills trade a 2nd rd pick and a 2019 5th rd pick for Alex Smith. Then, Bills Trade out of one of our 1st round picks for a late 1st or early 2nd also gaining a late 2nd (pick used to get Alex Smith back essentially). Grabbing our QB with the late 1st/early 2nd. So Bills still end up with two 1st rd picks and two 2nd rd picks and also get Alex Smith, or Bills end up with the 21st pick, and 3 2nd picks and get Alex Smith. 34 year old Alex Smith in a contract year is not worth a 2nd round pick, bottom line. Edited January 10, 2018 by Chuck Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Who has actually watched a lot of Vita Vea? He reminds me of Shelton coming out. A ton of power but not much else. Why does everyone love this kid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: And may we all hope Buffalo stays far away from him. Jay - who do you like this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Who has actually watched a lot of Vita Vea? He reminds me of Shelton coming out. A ton of power but not much else. Why does everyone love this kid? Way more athletic than Shelton. Guy he's compared to most frequently is Ngata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: If they take Mason Rudolph over Denzel Ward, Calvin Ridley or Vita Vea, I quit. 34 year old Alex Smith in a contract year is not worth a 2nd round pick, bottom line. The same 34 year old that threw for 4000 yd, 26 TDs 5 Ints, 68% completion percentage? With 14 years as a starter, who has played in multiple systems, understands the game very well, super smart, continues to excel? That Alex Smith isn’t worth a 2nd? One of our later 2nd rd picks? I think your undervaluing the need for QBs and all that Smith brings to a team. Especially a team with a high pick Rookie they are trying to mold. Well agree to disagree. 2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Way more athletic than Shelton. Guy he's compared to most frequently is Ngata. Vita I feel is not a first round pick. Watching his film I see nothing that screams difference maker. Doesn’t rush the passer well, and sometimes gets swallowed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: The same 34 year old that threw for 4000 yd, 26 TDs 5 Ints, 68% completion percentage? With 14 years as a starter, who has played in multiple systems, understands the game very well, super smart, continues to excel? That Alex Smith isn’t worth a 2nd? One of our later 2nd rd picks? I think your undervaluing the need for QBs and all that Smith brings to a team. Especially a team with a high pick Rookie they are trying to mold. Well agree to disagree. Vita I feel is not a first round pick. Watching his film I see nothing that screams difference maker. Doesn’t rush the passer well, and sometimes gets swallowed up. Are Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce coming with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 57 minutes ago, Woodman19 said: I bet lots of people finally sat down and watched the game last Sunday and see that we need a QB. Hence the mocks. Because professional sports guys who make a living (writing/reporting/talking/analyzing/opining on) football don't watch NFL playoff games live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: Are Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce coming with him? Yes they are... 1 minute ago, PolishDave said: Because professional sports guys who make a living (writing/reporting/talking/analyzing/opining on) football don't watch NFL playoff games live? Edited January 10, 2018 by 1ZAYDAY1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 based on where we pick and his size it does make sense. i think he is going to have a hard time breaking away from the stigma that surrounds the type of air raid offense they run at osu. he reminds me too much of a Bryce Petty who in a similiar offense put up good numbers in college as well. it's a big change to go from that to a pro style under center and have proper footwork and technique vs being in the shotgun and locking in on 1 read and just letting it fly quickly. Rudolph is going to have to prove to scouts that he can work in the pocket and make proper reads and progressions before someone takes a 1st or even 2nd round chance on him. but man, he does LOOK the part doesn't he? big strong QB with a lot of starts under his belt. the scouts are just really going to have to put him through the paces before taking that kind of chance on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 They are trying to silence free speech here. But they cannot stop the truth the New stadium is being built downtown Buffalo. 67500 sears in retractable dome 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I'd be ok if they traded the 3rd or 4th for Smith, but they also need to draft a QB to groom behind Smith...#21 QB Mason Rudolph (if he's the guy they want) #22 ILB Josh Allen; 2a - WR Equanimeous St. Brown, 2b - CB/DE/DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) They had lots of negative things to say about Aaron Rogers in reagrds to his coaches abiltiy to design a QB friendly Offense. They also said he was a bit small and many swore he would be a bust... Rudolph checks some boxes in regards to being a a solid pro.. Gonna come down to arm strength showing at pro day and combine IMO I'm thinking if we do not trade up it could very well be Rudolph at this junction... But I'm just an armchair QB Edited January 10, 2018 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Chadwick Bay Chad said: They are trying to silence free speech here. But they cannot stop the truth the New stadium is being built downtown Buffalo. 67500 sears in retractable dome Quit being an attention whore. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Woodman19 said: Quit being an attention whore. LOL.. Puts your legs in the air like you ain't got a care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Jay - who do you like this year? I think Darnold has the most potential to be a star. I feel he should have waited a year to come out but everything he does in college translates to the NFL. Plus he manipulates the pocket better than any QB coming out all while keeping his eyes downfield. His accuracy is phenomenal. But he does try to force a throw or two each game. Not a huge Rosen fan, but I can see why teams are intrigued by him. I just think for a guy that talented, he should have had a better college career. My 2nd choice is Baker Mayfield. I don’t tag people with “he’s a winner” but this kid obviously has a fire and from just watching the games, you can see how good he is. I always watch the games and draw from that. Measurables etc don’t usually factor in to my thinking. This is why Allen is a no go for me. Guy makes bad decisions and his accuracy is all over the place. 56% last year and 56.2% this year. Completion percentage doesn’t measure accuracy as we know, but it’s a better tell when it’s bad than when it’s good. Especially for a guy deemed as a top prospect. Watch the games. That’s where you’ll see who can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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