icw70 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) I'm as pumped as any Bills fan about the playoffs!! I'm wondering why GM Beane hasn't had a solid backup option to McCoy? He pretty much hasn't all year? Anyone else wonder this? If there's a thread out there about this, I haven't seen it. Edited January 4, 2018 by icw70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 maybe not a current thread but it's been discussed all season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Why? Injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Dammit! Should've tendered Gillislee higher! (just beating ScottLaw and BADOL to the punch here) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Cadet was good before injury. Murphy was fine against Miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuklz2594 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 draft sdsu rb penney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Mike "Culture" Tolbert wry, very happy to make the playoffs. But this team could actually make a run if they kept some of the good young talent they let go to "build the right culture " 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Without Shady, we are in fact fat at RB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 skinny HBs can get through smaller gaps, doy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Murphy showed some burst and a little shake and bake. He's not Shady but who else is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) Going into the season without a legit backup has always been a question. Shady going 16 games without injury is probably not going to happen. Tanking was the only answer that made sense. Guess that didn't work out so well. Edited January 4, 2018 by bmur66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, icw70 said: I'm as pumped as any Bills fan about the playoffs. I'm wondering why GM Beane hasn't had a solid backup option to McCoy? He pretty much hasn't all year? Anyone else wonder this? If there's a thread out there about this, I haven't seen it. Because we have been donating to the NFL Running Back Foundation...I knew that charity was going to bite us in the a** sooner or later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Mike "Culture" Tolbert wry, very happy to make the playoffs. But this team could actually make a run if they kept some of the good young talent they let go to "build the right culture " flip side; maybe the Bills arent even sniffing the playoffs if players werent kept around to build the right culture 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Just now, PaattMaann said: flip side; maybe the Bills arent even sniffing the playoffs if players werent kept around to build the right culture You honestly don't think the Bills would be better if we had Sammy instead of the worst WRs instead of Jordan Matthews? We won't be better with Dareus, even as an unmotivated tub of goo, than a 6th round pick? You won't rather have a young rb than Mike Tolbert? we made the playoffs and it's awesome. But we act like the new regime inherited the Browns? It was a 9 win type of team last year with terrible coaching. Woth how bad the AFC is, this team could have gone really deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You honestly don't think the Bills would be better if we had Sammy instead of the worst WRs instead of Jordan Matthews? We won't be better with Dareus, even as an unmotivated tub of goo, than a 6th round pick? You won't rather have a young rb than Mike Tolbert? we made the playoffs and it's awesome. But we act like the new regime inherited the Browns? It was a 9 win type of team last year with terrible coaching. Woth how bad the AFC is, this team could have gone really deep. If we didnt Trade Sammy we dont have Gaines, and checking the record of this team with vs without Gaines is impressive...so yes, in this case I dont care about not having Sammy Dareus trade was a waste considering we could have done the same thing at the end of the year and saved money, but maybe we was cancerous in the locker room, I cannot answer that one My comment was regarding your comment about Mike "Culture" Tolbert and why some players who arent really contributing on the field are still on the team. I trust McD's vision 100%....yes he inherited a 9 win team, and then gutted it and stocked up for the future with draft picks while still taking this team to the playoffs (with a limited QB). Color me impressed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Our RB room wasn't bad until everyone started getting hurt. In limited action, Murphy looks like a legit backup. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) I figure the team can't just plug in a running back of the street with this zone blocking scheme. Knowing *where* the lanes are going to be is part of the play, but also knowing *when* they will be open is too. I'm pretty sure it's why audibles are far and few between. That's where corporate knowledge becomes the asset to have. It's why your practice squad players have more value than a free agent. Edited January 4, 2018 by dpberr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Living in Saints country and seeing almost all their games the past few years, Cadet is a very good RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Cadet had a horrible injury the week before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 32 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: If we didnt Trade Sammy we dont have Gaines, and checking the record of this team with vs without Gaines is impressive...so yes, in this case I dont care about not having Sammy Dareus trade was a waste considering we could have done the same thing at the end of the year and saved money, but maybe we was cancerous in the locker room, I cannot answer that one My comment was regarding your comment about Mike "Culture" Tolbert and why some players who arent really contributing on the field are still on the team. I trust McD's vision 100%....yes he inherited a 9 win team, and then gutted it and stocked up for the future with draft picks while still taking this team to the playoffs (with a limited QB). Color me impressed He inherited a 7 win Team 45 minutes ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said: Murphy showed some burst and a little shake and bake. He's not Shady but who else is. Upside since I always like to search for it, is there isn’t much film on him.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 39 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: If we didnt Trade Sammy we dont have Gaines, and checking the record of this team with vs without Gaines is impressive...so yes, in this case I dont care about not having Sammy That sounds suspiciously like analytics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, icw70 said: I'm as pumped as any Bills fan about the playoffs!! I'm wondering why GM Beane hasn't had a solid backup option to McCoy? He pretty much hasn't all year? Anyone else wonder this? If there's a thread out there about this, I haven't seen it. T. Jones and Cadet were decent, (Cadet was better than decent) until they got hurt. I'm hoping we draft a RB next draft to backup McCoy. As Minny demonstrated, you can't have too many good RB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I hope we hang on to cadet 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 40 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You honestly don't think the Bills would be better if we had Sammy instead of the worst WRs instead of Jordan Matthews? We won't be better with Dareus, even as an unmotivated tub of goo, than a 6th round pick? You won't rather have a young rb than Mike Tolbert? we made the playoffs and it's awesome. But we act like the new regime inherited the Browns? It was a 9 win type of team last year with terrible coaching. Woth how bad the AFC is, this team could have gone really deep. You act like that group got us to the playoffs the last 3-4 years. They have not and Sammy even admitted his attitude created issues - so No I do not automatically think the Bills would be better. We know Dareus had issues. The staff made changes that ticked the fans off and made people assume we were tanking, but the acquisitions of Hyde and Poyer and Kyle providing leadership brought them together as a team and whatever McDermott did - the culture and the attitude to play for each other worked. I think they have less talent, but are a better team and that has made a huge difference. Just look at the reaction when Brandon Tate made a first down or Kyle scored a TD - that is a team playing for each other and that is why I think they are here. Therefore I do not assume players with me first attitudes (Sammy/Dareus) would of helped get this team to the playoffs. Additionally - it was not a 9 win team - they had not won 9 games in 2 years - they were a below .500 team with those players you spoke of last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I'm hoping that Beane can find a guy like Kenyan Drake in the draft this year. Because even if McCoy is back next season we need to start thinking about the future of the RB position to compliment NP as we presumably shift to a pass first offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 51 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Mike "Culture" Tolbert wry, very happy to make the playoffs. But this team could actually make a run if they kept some of the good young talent they let go to "build the right culture " Easy to say, impossible to prove and same ilk of conjecture as those that claimed those trades ensured no playoff for an 18th season... While dropping Dareus absolutely may have temporarily compromised the run D, they shored it up enough to get back to winning. And I do think the only winnable in that 3 game period was the Jets, perhaps Chargers gamed would have been different without 5 first half ints including a pick 6 Gains has had a great season, was more of an impact on the field that Sammy was this year for LA or last for the Bills. What got this team to the playoffs was rallying around Kyle Williams and working and playing so hard to win, that they did, and a little help too.. So by all means those that think merely assembling talent is the path to winning, you will not love this front office. Those that think building a team around values and intangibles is a path to winning (already evident in 2017) enjoy the ride! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 ..bring back Banyard kid for insurance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 23 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: He inherited a 7 win Team Upside since I always like to search for it, is there isn’t much film on him.. yea yea yea, thanks for being johnny on the spot with the correction...if you followed our discussion it was meant to say "9 win type of team" as the poster I was having the discussion with called it. Thank you for your substantial contribution to the discussion : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: yea yea yea, thanks for being johnny on the spot with the correction...if you followed our discussion it was meant to say "9 win type of team" as the poster I was having the discussion with called it. Thank you for your substantial contribution to the discussion : ) No he didn’t inherit a 9 win type of team. Thats the point. He built what he got into a 9 win Team. he rebuilt the secondary from a middling liability to the strength of the team. That’s half the starting defense. Grabbed a promising Rookie LB made the defense respectable again. Edited January 4, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Cadet was actually excellent when he was backing up shady. Need to keep him next year....I saw enough to want him back. don't know if he could stand up to the #1 back pounding...Shady has really in remarkable fashion until this ankle injury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You honestly don't think the Bills would be better if we had Sammy instead of the worst WRs instead of Jordan Matthews? We won't be better with Dareus, even as an unmotivated tub of goo, than a 6th round pick? You won't rather have a young rb than Mike Tolbert? we made the playoffs and it's awesome. But we act like the new regime inherited the Browns? It was a 9 win type of team last year with terrible coaching. Woth how bad the AFC is, this team could have gone really deep. But Sammy was a minimal part of that "9 win type" team though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 it does look as if Banyard is available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 32 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: No he didn’t inherit a 9 win type of team. Thats the point. He built what he got into a 9 win Team. he rebuilt the secondary from a middling liability to the strength of the team. That’s half the starting defense. Grabbed a promising Rookie LB made the defense respectable again. bro I agree with you, again, I was just using the other posters words to disagree with him (and agree with you!!!!!! ) my god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, ganesh said: But Sammy was a minimal part of that "9 win type" team though. Yeah, they probably win more games with a healthy Sammy. The only good thing Tyrod has done as a passer was throw to Sammy. If people don't believe Sammy didn't help Goff, who has a worse rookie year than EJ, this year they don't really understand football. we made the playoffs and know anything can happen. But imo, we made unnecessary moves that didn't maximize our true potential. Please feel free to laugh at me if we win the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah, they probably win more games with a healthy Sammy. The only good thing Tyrod has done as a passer was throw to Sammy. If people don't believe Sammy didn't help Goff, who has a worse rookie year than EJ, this year they don't really understand football. we made the playoffs and know anything can happen. But imo, we made unnecessary moves that didn't maximize our true potential. Please feel free to laugh at me if we win the SB. we are already laughing at you from the playoffs : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah, they probably win more games with a healthy Sammy. The only good thing Tyrod has done as a passer was throw to Sammy. If people don't believe Sammy didn't help Goff, who has a worse rookie year than EJ, this year they don't really understand football. we made the playoffs and know anything can happen. But imo, we made unnecessary moves that didn't maximize our true potential. Please feel free to laugh at me if we win the SB. I'll take Gaines and a 2nd all day, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Why? Injuries. Injuries aren’t why. This is the design of the team coming out of TC. Cadet was solid to good, but, wasn’t the guy out of camp. 1 hour ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said: Murphy showed some burst and a little shake and bake. He's not Shady but who else is. Murphy was a pleasant surprise. Hopefully he can keep it up. Guessing he can, fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Too much confidence in Tolbert...thats why I do hope we hang onto Cadet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, WMDman said: I hope we hang on to cadet Yes and hope he is ready to go next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 34 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: No he didn’t inherit a 9 win type of team. Thats the point. He built what he got into a 9 win Team. he rebuilt the secondary from a middling liability to the strength of the team. That’s half the starting defense. Grabbed a promising Rookie LB made the defense respectable again. He inherited a very talented team that was badly coached. Sammy and Woods are starters on a Rams team that had one of the best turnarounds in NFL history. Darby is the Eagles 1 cb. Dareus has been a huge pickup. The defense gives up basically the same yardage as it did last year, when we pretend it was so terrible. Our offense is much worse. They did an excellent job rebuilding the secondary. Im going to love watching this game. It's winnable and there is no pressure. But just because we're Bills fans, are we not allowed to want better? I think we are the favorites if we just didn't make a few of those moves. JMo. 6 minutes ago, SWATeam said: I'll take Gaines and a 2nd all day, thanks I'm sure the Rams are very happy on their end. Given how good SM built the secondary and Gaines' injury issues, Sammy would be more beneficial to this team than Gaines. Life would be easier for McCoy and guys being forced into 1 and 2 roles, would have a lot more room to operate. 4 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: Too much confidence in Tolbert...thats why I do hope we hang onto Cadet Eh, they can just draft a later round guy. Don't overpay vet rbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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