mykidsdad Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) Gronk's late hit on White last week might end up costing the Pat's the superbowl. Here's my logic: The Pats lost by 7 points to Miami, and I think its fair to think that Gronk could have made up the point difference. This means Gronk's suspension might have cost them this game which may end up costing the Pats home field advantage which in turn could cost them a playoff game against Pittsburgh. If Pitt beats the Pats at Heinz Field in the AFC championship, I think Gronk's flagrant late hit is ultimately a key factor. I think he deserves the blame either way. That was a historically cheap shot, and I'm glad it cost him. Edited December 12, 2017 by mykidsdad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, mykidsdad said: Gronk's late hit on White last week might end up costing the Pat's the superbowl. Here's my logic: The Pats lost by 3 points to Miami, and I think its fair to think that Gronk would have made at least a 3 point difference. This means Gronk's suspension might have cost them this game which may end up costing the Pats home field advantage which in turn could cost them a playoff game against Pittsburgh. If Pitt beats the Pats at Heinz Field in the AFC championship, I think Gronk's flagrant late hit is ultimately a key factor. I think he deserves the blame either way. That was a historically cheap shot, and I'm glad it cost him. Not sure because the Gronk plays need time to develop, he isn't the quick hit slant receiver. Miami was forching Brady to get rid of the ball quicker than normal and he may not have had the time to hit the drooling gorilla down the seam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Pats lost by 7 but I see your point. The thing is they really didnt need this win because if they beat Pitt next week then both teams have 3 losses and NE would have the tiebreaker, if they won this game they'd still have to beat Pitt in order to have homefield throughout. Pats looked pretty weak, the Fins are an average team but Brady really looked off. No matter what HE says about playing at a high level for several more years, he's starting to slip a little bit. Finally..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Da webster guy said: Pats lost by 7 but I see your point. The thing is they really didnt need this win because if they beat Pitt next week then both teams have 3 losses and NE would have the tiebreaker, if they won this game they'd still have to beat Pitt in order to have homefield throughout. Pats looked pretty weak, the Fins are an average team but Brady really looked off. No matter what HE says about playing at a high level for several more years, he's starting to slip a little bit. Finally..... Ya if you watch his downfield passing alot of them are very inaccurate. What saves him are his 15 completions a game to his rbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Brady looked really bad yesterday, Gronk would have definitely helped him and changed the way the phins played D. So im with you that loss last night could be blamed on Gronk. I'm glad the suspension impacted the game. But Here's the reality, if the pats beat the Steelers this week they are tied and own the head to head. So they can still own the first seed and home field advantage. But if the Steelers win they are now 2 games up and have the head to head so they basically they are three games up and win the first seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 It wasn't Gronk, it was the O Line and DB's that did them in last night. Steelers, Bills and JETS Brady and co usually come back pissed after a trouncing. Can they do it against the Steelers (IIRC) that won in the last minutes of their past few games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I've been saying it for years, Gronk really is a game changer. Without him that offense is pedestrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 50 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said: I've been saying it for years, Gronk really is a game changer. Without him that offense is pedestrian He may be a game changer because of his size, but as Bubba Gump said, he is a drooling gorilla. I Can't stand him almost as much as I have the cheating POS Brady. He's a first class a-hole just like of that Pats team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 54 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said: I've been saying it for years, Gronk really is a game changer. Without him that offense is pedestrian The won the SB without him last year. Averaged 35 ppg in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, JinxedBill1 said: I've been saying it for years, Gronk really is a game changer. Without him that offense is pedestrian That's a stretch...they just won the SB last year without him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Iron Maiden said: That's a stretch...they just won the SB last year without him.... They are pedestrian THIS YEAR because of the absence of Edelman. They've played two games without him now (against TB too) and have looked extremely ordinary. With Gronk in there, Hogan is going to open and/or single-covered on many of these deep throws. Gronkowski's actions cost the team a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: They are pedestrian THIS YEAR because of the absence of Edelman. They've played two games without him now (against TB too) and have looked extremely ordinary. With Gronk in there, Hogan is going to open and/or single-covered on many of these deep throws. Gronkowski's actions cost the team a game. Gronk being out didn't help them of course...but that loss is on their Oline last night.....always nice to see Brady not having time to do what he does... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) No. They'll get every call from here on. The refs and the league will make sure Brady is a story line. Good or bad. Edited December 12, 2017 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 oh mykidsdad! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 16 minutes ago, teef said: oh mykidsdad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Myk Idsdad would be a great alias to book seedy hotels under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Oh, mykidsdad. You know, for old time's sake. 25 minutes ago, teef said: oh mykidsdad! Darn. Too slow. Should have known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 The Cretin’s absence hurt the Cheaters (hey, rocket surgeon Larry Fitz was right about that one!). But the Steelers game is the most important game, which is why the NFL didn’t do the right thing and suspend him at least 2 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) Suspension for the neanderthal is over and the patriots will beat the Steelers. The loss last night will also mean that they need to win out to get the #1 seed and of course we'll be in their way. They won't be resting the QB with deflated balls or the TE with a unibrow either. Edited December 12, 2017 by frostbitmic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 8 hours ago, Bubba Gump said: Not sure because the Gronk plays need time to develop, he isn't the quick hit slant receiver. Miami was forching Brady to get rid of the ball quicker than normal and he may not have had the time to hit the drooling gorilla down the seam. He has been in the past, and he could have been vs Miami. I don't like the Steelers chances without Shazier, unless they can figure out some adjustments PDQ. Their D depends upon his speed IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I figure the Steelers end up with home field and the patriots would have to travel in the conference championship game and somehow the bad Steelers show up and lose the divisional round and hand home field back to the pats. Must be my cynicism coming through but so many years of the patriots seeming to find ponies in huge piles of manure will do that to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 The Pats under Brady and BB always find a way to overcome these obstacles. They just plug someone else in and everything hums along as usual. But last night was something to see. I really think that Miami played their best game in years last night. Their offense clicked and their defense was immense. The Pats could not counter the pass rush and whatever those Fin Dbs were doing messed up the Pats routes. It was a brilliant performance and superb game plan. The Pats can be beaten, I just wish we could learn from the Fins success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He has been in the past, and he could have been vs Miami. I don't like the Steelers chances without Shazier, unless they can figure out some adjustments PDQ. Their D depends upon his speed IMO I actually think the Steelers, who have a healthy LeVeon Bell this time around, will win. I just don't see the Pats' D stopping the Steelers offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: They are pedestrian THIS YEAR because of the absence of Edelman. They've played two games without him now (against TB too) and have looked extremely ordinary. With Gronk in there, Hogan is going to open and/or single-covered on many of these deep throws. Gronkowski's actions cost the team a game. Edelman has been out for the whole season. Top 5 offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Edelman has been out for the whole season. Top 5 offense. That's sort of my point. Brady has two go-to guys at the end of the day: Edelman and Gronk. If he loses one, he can survive because the other one, combined with the other good players, can handle the job. But if he loses both, he's kinda screwed. I was saying that they are pedestrian in the absence of Gronk, and the evidence attests to that. They struggled against TB, a team which has a HORRIBLE pass defense (as in worst-in-the-NFL bad). Edited December 12, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 after the big ben putting up 506 yards of passing can you imagine what he does against the pats? steelers will roll them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: I actually think the Steelers, who have a healthy LeVeon Bell this time around, will win. I just don't see the Pats' D stopping the Steelers offense. This is the right answer. Ben, Antonio, Bell. Also, even without Shazier I think Tom maybe in for another rough outing. I think his 40 year old body is starting to show some battle fatigue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 48 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: This is the right answer. Ben, Antonio, Bell. Also, even without Shazier I think Tom maybe in for another rough outing. I think his 40 year old body is starting to show some battle fatigue. The fact that he didn't sneak it last night at the one foot line tells me that perhaps his achilles is more of a problem than he's letting on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, dave mcbride said: The fact that he didn't sneak it last night at the one foot line tells me that perhaps his achilles is more of a problem than he's letting on. Could also account for a couple of those throws. Just watching him pick himself off the turf a few times he looked tired - and a lot like an older QB. We are just on the cusp of when the season becomes most demanding of the players strength and endurance. He's been great again this year but I've got this feeling he just won't have enuf in the tank this time. Obviously a lot depends on how well Dante can get the O-line to protect him. Getting Gronk back will help a lot, but I still think the Pats will fall short of expectations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: I actually think the Steelers, who have a healthy LeVeon Bell this time around, will win. I just don't see the Pats' D stopping the Steelers offense. That may be true they won't stop Stillers O. But I'm concerned about the opposite - Stillers D won't stop Pats. In a just world, where Gronk got suspended for several games.... 58 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Also, even without Shazier I think Tom maybe in for another rough outing. I think his 40 year old body is starting to show some battle fatigue. Nothing would please me more (rough outing, and battle fatigue) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: That's sort of my point. Brady has two go-to guys at the end of the day: Edelman and Gronk. If he loses one, he can survive because the other one, combined with the other good players, can handle the job. But if he loses both, he's kinda screwed. I was saying that they are pedestrian in the absence of Gronk, and the evidence attests to that. They struggled against TB, a team which has a HORRIBLE pass defense (as in worst-in-the-NFL bad). Brady through for over 300 yards and completed 30 passes (75%), 19 to Hogan and Amendola. Yeah if they are without both Edelman and Gronk they aren''t as good as they are with them, but you keep saying the evidence shows that they are "pedestrian" without Gronk in particular. The evidence (the last 7 games including the playoffs last season) shows the opposite. They went on a tear after he went down in the beginning of December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 5 hours ago, teef said: oh mykidsdad! Had no idea who started this thread until I saw this. Now I’m content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 25 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: The fact that he didn't sneak it last night at the one foot line tells me that perhaps his achilles is more of a problem than he's letting on. Steelers would be wise to take a page out of Dolphins D playbook ( among others over the years). Middle pressure early and often on Brady seems to bring out the worst in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 21 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Had no idea who started this thread until I saw this. Now I’m content. i was tipped off. i missed him so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Brady through for over 300 yards and completed 30 passes (75%), 19 to Hogan and Amendola. Yeah if they are without both Edelman and Gronk they aren''t as good as they are with them, but you keep saying the evidence shows that they are "pedestrian" without Gronk in particular. The evidence (the last 7 games including the playoffs last season) shows the opposite. They went on a tear after he went down in the beginning of December. Edelman was on the field in all of those seven games. Again, that is my point: that they are pedestrian without Gronk in an Edelman-less offense. Edelman was a huge loss for them - bigger than most anticipated. Amendola is a pretty good player, but he's not the safety valve that Edelman is for Brady. Hogan is a different sort of player altogether. Also, if you think the NE offense was effective against TB in that game, you didn't watch it. They were sluggish all night despite the high completion rate. They scored 19 points against the worst pass defense in the league and would have lost if TB had a competent kicker. They didn't convert *one* third down last night. That is unbelievable. Edited December 12, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 7 hours ago, JinxedBill1 said: I've been saying it for years, Gronk really is a game changer. Without him that offense is pedestrian I know right? The way they fell apart and won a Super Bowl without him last year really shows how irreplaceable he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Possibly ya. He was missed big time last night. The Pats the last 12 years (or roughly) haven't won a playoff game outside of Foxboro so home field advantage is massive for them. That loss last night of course hurts the odds of home field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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