The 9 Isles Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just thinking about how relatively well McCown has done for the Jets this year. He is AFC player of the week this week. If TT had been picked up by someone else last off season and we picked up McCown as a place holder I think we would be sitting in one of the wild card spots right now. It"s just a thought. I ready for all the aggressive flames coming my way. McCown - 2017 Jets Comp - 67.8 Yards - 2,880 TD - 18 Int - 8 Qbr - 96.7 Taylor - 2017 Bills Comp - 63.2 Yards - 2,090 TD - 12 Int - 4 Qb r- 88.6 Not a huge difference in passing stats but that does not tell the whole story as everyone knows. This team seems to always bring out the woulda, coulda, shoulda’s. Oh well, maybe we finally get QB this draft. We’ll see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knicks&Bills Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 We’d probably have two more wins and a playoff birth 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Would John Morton be the OC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I got murdered on this board for saying McCown was way better than he was given credit for. Sup, haters. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Knicks&Bills said: We’d probably have two more wins and a playoff birth Absolutely. We are an average QB away from a 1st round playoff loss....but at least its a playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 He has played better than Tyrod but he isn't great. It is why I hate the rush to judge QBs just on their most recent season. I actually think the Colin Cowherd theory of once a QB has played in their league for 5 years then throw out their best year and throw out their worst year what you are left with is probably what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: I got murdered on this board for saying McCown was way better than he was given credit for. Sup, haters. I also think you said Jay Cutler wsa awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Tough to say for sure, but it's definitely a valid argument. McCown has been pretty solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just now, GunnerBill said: He has played better than Tyrod but he isn't great. It is why I hate the rush to judge QBs just on their most recent season. I actually think the Colin Cowherd theory of once a QB has played in their league for 5 years then throw out their best year and throw out their worst year what you are left with is probably what they are. Would have been nice to have McCown against the Chargers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Would have been nice to have McCown against the Chargers. Well he has certainly played better than Peterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Jets are 1-4 on the road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I also think you said Jay Cutler wsa awesome. Lol sounds about right. Everyone loves to call out people when they are right the one time, but no one ever admits the 5 times they are wrong. (Or at least very rarely) Edited December 6, 2017 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 mccown plays for different team...different coaches...different scheme philosophy.........nobody knows how we would be doing if he played for the bills and this system......i think the only sure things regarding QB's are guys named Brady, Brees, Rodgers.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 46 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Would have been nice to have McCown against the Chargers. Or the Panthers... Or the Jets (2nd game)... Or the Saints.... Or New England... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 hour ago, The 9 Isles said: Just thinking about how relatively well McCown has done for the Jets this year. He is AFC player of the week this week. If TT had been picked up by someone else last off season and we picked up McCown as a place holder I think we would be sitting in one of the wild card spots right now. It"s just a thought. I ready for all the aggressive flames coming my way. McCown - 2017 Jets Comp - 67.8 Yards - 2,880 TD - 18 Int - 8 Qbr - 96.7 Taylor - 2017 Bills Comp - 63.2 Yards - 2,090 TD - 12 Int - 4 Qb r- 88.6 Not a huge difference in passing stats but that does not tell the whole story as everyone knows. This team seems to always bring out the woulda, coulda, shoulda’s. Oh well, maybe we finally get QB this draft. We’ll see. I think this is fair and I would say the Bills are 7-5 not 6-6. However Taylor in the ATL/DEN game did some plays to stay in the pocket that McCown just isn't doing because he doesn't have the mobility. So I think the Bills probably win CIN/NYJ but flip ATL back which means their AFC conference record is even better. The fun thing with McCown is the Bills actually wanted him first over Taylor in 2015 and he chose CLE lol. It is very possible the drought mayyyy have ended sooner with McCown in 15 or 16 just because he can pass decently and move the ball pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 hour ago, The 9 Isles said: Just thinking about how relatively well McCown has done for the Jets this year. He is AFC player of the week this week. If TT had been picked up by someone else last off season and we picked up McCown as a place holder I think we would be sitting in one of the wild card spots right now. It"s just a thought. I ready for all the aggressive flames coming my way. McCown - 2017 Jets Comp - 67.8 Yards - 2,880 TD - 18 Int - 8 Qbr - 96.7 Taylor - 2017 Bills Comp - 63.2 Yards - 2,090 TD - 12 Int - 4 Qb r- 88.6 Not a huge difference in passing stats but that does not tell the whole story as everyone knows. This team seems to always bring out the woulda, coulda, shoulda’s. Oh well, maybe we finally get QB this draft. We’ll see. 800 yards more passing and 6 more TDs at the price of 4 more picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 maybe 5-7. Jets WRs are better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: maybe 5-7. Jets WRs are better. With Anderson and Kearse that's an easy call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan3434 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Probably the same thing Kyle Orton did when Marrone was coach. If had had a half-competent quarterback, we would be 9-7 / 10-6 at the end of the season, probably be in the playoffs. Right now I think we finish 7-9 or 8-8. So, on average, 1.5 more wins. I still think we get blown out by the Saints. We would have at least been competitive against the Chargers. Probably still split with the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: I also think you said Jay Cutler wsa awesome. 5-5 on a bad Dolphins team. And he still hasn't played the Bills yet. Watch out my dude. 1 hour ago, billsfan11 said: Lol sounds about right. Everyone loves to call out people when they are right the one time, but no one ever admits the 5 times they are wrong. (Or at least very rarely) Jay Cutler IS awesome. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: Jay Cutler IS awesome. Sorry. Is that a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: Is that a joke? Why? Why is that so funny to you? Why am I funny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, The 9 Isles said: Just thinking about how relatively well McCown has done for the Jets this year. He is AFC player of the week this week. If TT had been picked up by someone else last off season and we picked up McCown as a place holder I think we would be sitting in one of the wild card spots right now. It"s just a thought. I ready for all the aggressive flames coming my way. McCown - 2017 Jets Comp - 67.8 Yards - 2,880 TD - 18 Int - 8 Qbr - 96.7 Taylor - 2017 Bills Comp - 63.2 Yards - 2,090 TD - 12 Int - 4 Qb r- 88.6 Not a huge difference in passing stats but that does not tell the whole story as everyone knows. This team seems to always bring out the woulda, coulda, shoulda’s. Oh well, maybe we finally get QB this draft. We’ll see. So I looked at rushing TDs because I figured that might modify the TD narrative. Turns out McCown has more of those too. Edited December 6, 2017 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I've asked this question a dozen times..., and it begs to question are we better off using our draft stock to fill in holes and build around a journeyman QB if we're not in position to get THE quarterback we want... I don't want to settle for the 4th or 5th guy off the board, which unfortunately we may still have to do, even if we trade up given the needs of other teams that will likely pick before us based upon record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: 5-5 on a bad Dolphins team. And he still hasn't played the Bills yet. Watch out my dude. Jay Cutler IS awesome. Sorry. His numbers are on par with Taylor and strangely enough....he’s got less passing yards. BTW...I’m just teasing you. Seriously though...Cutler is pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 McCown - 2017 Jets Comp - 67.8 Yards - 2,880 TD - 18 Int - 8 Qbr - 96.7 So sad. A Journeyman JAG is better than our starter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, The 9 Isles said: Just thinking about how relatively well McCown has done for the Jets this year. He is AFC player of the week this week. If TT had been picked up by someone else last off season and we picked up McCown as a place holder I think we would be sitting in one of the wild card spots right now. It"s just a thought. I ready for all the aggressive flames coming my way. McCown - 2017 Jets Comp - 67.8 Yards - 2,880 TD - 18 Int - 8 Qbr - 96.7 Taylor - 2017 Bills Comp - 63.2 Yards - 2,090 TD - 12 Int - 4 Qb r- 88.6 Not a huge difference in passing stats but that does not tell the whole story as everyone knows. This team seems to always bring out the woulda, coulda, shoulda’s. Oh well, maybe we finally get QB this draft. We’ll see. Whaley tried hard to get McCown after he had that one good half year in 2013 with Bears and became FA. I believe Whaley offered him more money then McCown accepted from Bucs. Whaley was right to go after him. He would have been a great "b/u" "spot starter" and now shown he is a "bridge guy" also. The trifecta for his talent level. Marrone would have loved him as he would have been better than Manual and Orton would have never been coaxed out of retirement. Bills may have made playoffs that year and he would still be here as a b/u at least unless Beano dumped him for a pizza. Edited December 6, 2017 by cba fan add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 20 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Why? Why is that so funny to you? Why am I funny? Relax bud lol. I'm asking if you're serious about Jay Cutler being good... No need to panic here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 This thread is the culmination of people not realizing that for the 1 problem Taylor has he fixes a handful of others. Taylor hangs on to the ball too long/doesn't throw it into tight windows. He is tentative on throwing into tight coverage and frequently hangs on to the ball too long. Completely legitimate gripe and I've even found myself yelling at the TV ............."get rid of the damn ball". That said McCown would be crucified behind this offensive line. Some games would be worse than others but many games would be ugly sack riddled nightmares. The timing and route running by our pass catchers is very very poor. The play calling is frequently very poor. Combine that with Taylor not wanting to throw picks and again you get holding the ball too long. Just throwing it anyways is rolling the dice. Peterman was a prime example of why you can't make a living throwing into coverage. McCown might be better at it. I doubt he's THAT much better at it. Combine our WR's, line, and Dennison and I highly doubt McCown is having a good year if he played here. McCown or Taylor you are not going to see much better production with street cast offs at WR and Dennison. Someone might argue Brady or Rogers could get better production with what we've got and I'd say sure, you are probably right. Let me know when we've got either one of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 is Dennison still the OC in this situation? If so, blah. No different. Dennison the offense Destroyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: With Anderson and Kearse that's an easy call. Yeah, 5-9 in the same division with better receivers and a similar defense in points allowed. Not sure how he would have a better record at this point on the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 4 hours ago, The 9 Isles said: Just thinking about how relatively well McCown has done for the Jets this year. He is AFC player of the week this week. If TT had been picked up by someone else last off season and we picked up McCown as a place holder I think we would be sitting in one of the wild card spots right now. It"s just a thought. I ready for all the aggressive flames coming my way. McCown - 2017 Jets Comp - 67.8 Yards - 2,880 TD - 18 Int - 8 Qbr - 96.7 Taylor - 2017 Bills Comp - 63.2 Yards - 2,090 TD - 12 Int - 4 Qb r- 88.6 Not a huge difference in passing stats but that does not tell the whole story as everyone knows. This team seems to always bring out the woulda, coulda, shoulda’s. Oh well, maybe we finally get QB this draft. We’ll see. There's always a good chance McCown would have gotten obliterated behind this oline, be sitting on IR and Peterman would have started more games. Peterman could have thrown 46 interceptions at this point forcing Buffalo to sign RGIII who slipped on a mat and is on IR. After that we would obviously try and lure Kyle Orton back out of retirement. After that failed and Tim Tebow didn't answer his phone, Johnny Manziel was too drunk to find his and Colin Kapernick couldn't locate his cell in his hair.... McDermott would play QB himself. Every play he would miss the shotgun snap because he wouldn't stop clapping, then wrestle anyone that tries to recover. Somehow we would still finish 7-9. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Sad to say, but we would be worse. Im not a TT fan at all, but those numbers are not impressive in comparison to TT. Sadly TT made lots of plays with his legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 On 12/6/2017 at 9:00 AM, jmc12290 said: I got murdered on this board for saying McCown was way better than he was given credit for. Sup, haters. I'm actually not surprised that McCown has been effective. I am surprised that he's stayed healthy all year. And yes, we would have at least a couple more wins with him as our QB. On 12/6/2017 at 10:35 AM, ShadyBillsFan said: McCown - 2017 Jets Comp - 67.8 Yards - 2,880 TD - 18 Int - 8 Qbr - 96.7 So sad. A Journeyman JAG is better than our starter. You could say the same thing about Case Keenum. (But probably not about Brian Hoyer!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Better comparison would be Brian Hoyer. He reportedly had a deal in place with the Bills before SF offered him a chance to start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 On 12/6/2017 at 7:14 AM, hondo in seattle said: 800 yards more passing and 6 more TDs at the price of 4 more picks. Eminently worth it. On 12/6/2017 at 7:17 AM, Mr. WEO said: maybe 5-7. Jets WRs are better. Kearse? Who's never cracked 700 yards in his career until this year (probably)? Anderson...the UDFA and his <600 yards last season? Better than Matthews and Benjamin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 On 12/6/2017 at 2:31 PM, Mr. WEO said: Yeah, 5-9 in the same division with better receivers and a similar defense in points allowed. Not sure how he would have a better record at this point on the Bills I’d guess it would have something to do with the 18 tds and no 60 yard passing days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 On 12/6/2017 at 8:02 AM, GunnerBill said: He has played better than Tyrod but he isn't great. It is why I hate the rush to judge QBs just on their most recent season. I actually think the Colin Cowherd theory of once a QB has played in their league for 5 years then throw out their best year and throw out their worst year what you are left with is probably what they are. Pretty much this. Remember how great Fitzpatrick was his first year with the Jets. McCown is basically duplicating what Fitz did that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Eminently worth it. Kearse? Who's never cracked 700 yards in his career until this year (probably)? Anderson...the UDFA and his <600 yards last season? Better than Matthews and Benjamin? Benjamin has played less than 2 games as a Bill. Mathews 10. Both are out. The Bills best WRs, again this year, are a RB and a TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Air it out Fitzy said: I’d guess it would have something to do with the 18 tds and no 60 yard passing days I think you missed my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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