Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 12:26 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: I like the Rams' move a lot better as a model for what we could potentially do. Rams gave up: #15 Overall 2nd Round (43) 2nd Round (45) 3rd Round (76) Next Year's 1st Next Year's 3rd Titans gave up: #1 Overall 4th Round (113) 6th Round (177) If we did the same that would leave us with: 1st overall Selection KC's 1st Rounder 2 4ths 2 5ths 1 6th That looks good for this draft but the 2019 draft would suck because you forgot to figure that we would have to give up our 2019 1st and 2019 3rd. Possibly even more if the 1st round pick we trade is higher than #15 which is probably likely (17-20). Of course this assumes we move all the way up to #2 with a team like the 49ers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 2:44 PM, cage said: I absolutely HATE the idea of trading up for a QB. No problem taking one in the first round when you pick, but trading up is asking for trouble. QBs are a crapshoot even if you're picking in the top 5, giving away multiple picks to roll the dice is a bad move. I agree here. Don't force it... There is supposedly 5-6 first rd qbs so we should be ok keeping our picks and adding to the lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 9 hours ago, Logic said: The wild card with the Giants is that we don't know what the coaching situation will be there next year and whether or not said coach (I'm guessing it won't be McAdoo) will want to do with Eli Manning. That said, it's probably safe to assume the Giants and Browns both draft QBs. It's in the best interests of Bills fans to hope the 49ers get a top 3 pick, because they seem like prime partners to trade down, given their acquisition of Jimmy G. Regardless of Manning's role in 2018, the Giants are smart enough to know it's unlikely they will again be in such a good draft position. They absolutely have to draft Eli's replacement now. In fact, they may have to trade up with SF (even if it's one spot) to ensure they get their man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 10 hours ago, KD in CA said: Problem will be finding a trade partner. Giants will not trade down no matter what the offer. And I’d be surprised if Cleveland made the same mistake yet again. 49ers and Bears are your targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 On 2017-11-28 at 10:31 PM, snafu said: Jim Kelly, 1984, was one of them. Roethlisberger was the 3rd QB taken in his draft On 2017-11-29 at 1:28 PM, McBean said: The ol "let's build at other places" argument. We've tried building around the QB position for years. How has that worked for us? Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) On 11/28/2017 at 2:37 PM, Tatonka68 said: The Bills 1ST round picks should be around 20th (850 pts) & 22nd (780 pts) for a total of 1630 pts on the draft value chart. 1630 points is equal to the 6th pick in the draft. So could the draft end up like this? 1. Cleveland picks Josh Rosen QB, 2. NY Giants Sam Darnold QB, 3. San Francisco picks Saquon Barkley RB, 4. Indianapolis Mike McGlinchey OT, 5. Chicago Derwin James S. then the Bills trade with Tampa for sixth pick and select Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma ST. I would be good with Rudolph if it went down like this but we would also be able to have a choice since Baker Mayfield would also be sitting there so it would be staffs choice. I like the move up so we have a choice when we pick not the waiting game of what's left your stuck with by staying with the picks given. Edited December 3, 2017 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfansinceday1 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 People here and on other boards have been screaming for us to get our franchise QB, and rightfully so. I am pretty sure Beane and McDermott will do their due diligence and identify the guy(s) they want to draft. Once that is done, go for it and use those accumulated picks if need be. If their guy is a Mayfield or Rudolph and he falls into their laps, better yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) Everyone hates trading up , however everyone hates not having a qb. If they identify a qb they strongly believe it then go get him. What is the price to get to number to and S.f pick ? The two first this and the first next year are a given. What else would they have to add ? Edited December 3, 2017 by baskingridgebillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 13 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: That looks good for this draft but the 2019 draft would suck because you forgot to figure that we would have to give up our 2019 1st and 2019 3rd. Possibly even more if the 1st round pick we trade is higher than #15 which is probably likely (17-20). Of course this assumes we move all the way up to #2 with a team like the 49ers. If you hit on the QB pick then nothing sucks. Also, even losing the 2019 1st & 3rd the Bills would still have a 2nd, 2 4ths, a 5th, a 6th, and 3 7ths. There's ammo there to consolidate and move up if we're looking at quality over quantity by then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 6 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: Everyone hates trading up , however everyone hates not having a qb. If they identify a qb they strongly believe it then go get him. What is the price to get to number to and S.f pick ? The two first this and the first next year are a given. What else would they have to add ? How many picks xould you trade for Brady or Rodgers? Answer ALL of them. Would it be great to have a great QB like Kelly again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 No trade ups please. Take Baker Mayfield with our 1st pick in the 1st round. Then get some O Linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 10 minutes ago, wppete said: No trade ups please. Take Baker Mayfield with our 1st pick in the 1st round. Then get some O Linemen. You might have to trade up to get Mayfield when all is said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: You might have to trade up to get Mayfield when all is said and done. You might be right. Hoping that some of his off the field makes him drop some and hope we lose the rest of our games to get a better position in the first round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 How many picks would trade for Jim Kelly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 I think we may be underestimating how low the Chiefs pick could be. They are in a free fall. If they lose out, which I pray they do, and we lose out. We could have two top 10 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: I think we may be underestimating how low the Chiefs pick could be. They are in a free fall. If they lose out, which I pray they do, and we lose out. We could have two top 10 picks. Please let this happen!!!! At least we have something to cheer about now. Have the Bills lose every remaining game and have the Cheifs lose every remains gane also.! Let’s go!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBillsWestCoast Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Yes, I am furious about the Gronk hit and another Tom Brady victory. It is embarrassing. The best part of the day is that KC and the Bills lost. We have 2x Top 20 picks at this point and it is getting near the end. This draft is like the Elway, Marino, Kelly draft, so do not be surprised if we trade up and grab a top 3 QB. I miss 300 yard games in the air. I wish we could dump Glen's contract without a hit or he would get healthy, so we could slide him the RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 "There's nothing like the first time . . . " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 wow i'm amazed nobody else has started a thread about having two first round picks in the 2018 draft 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Yep... the worse we and KC do the better the chance we dont need to sell the farm to get a decent QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBillsWestCoast Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) Probably nothing because we still had playoff hopes. Now we need to beat Indy and possibly Miami once while hoping KC loses out. Buffalo 8-8 and KC 8-8 is likely. Edited December 4, 2017 by BBillsWestCoast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 it's really important for KC to continue their plunge and fall out of the playoffs - no matter what the record the playoff teams are at the bottom of the list. Thank goodness the Chargers have caught fire while the Chiefs appear to be a dumpster fire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Won't Cleveland, Denver, and NYG at least all be looking for quarterbacks? We need to beat Indy and hope they lose out, then trade with them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I don't want to trade. We need to use all our draft pics where they are. Go after Cousins. Known commodity. I don't want to start with a rookie and take 3 years to figure out if he is amy good. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Bills Fan Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, offyourocker said: I don't want to trade. We need to use all our draft pics where they are. Go after Cousins. Known commodity. I don't want to start with a rookie and take 3 years to figure out if he is amy good. Exactly and he won’t be any good cause if we trade up and give away all our picks he’ll have no O-line to give him time and no defence to keep him in games he will be ruined and shell shocked 6 games in! Get Cousins and use all 6 picks in the first 3 rounds to plug our massive holes and aging team! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Turk Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) We will likely finish 8-8 beating the Colts and Dolphins at home and then losing both remaining road games. Edited December 4, 2017 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 The QB needy teams in the top 5 will assure us of not trading up. I think 3 QB's will go in the first 4 picks and I don't think we'll have a willing partner tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 It's crazy that the AFC West is so bad this year.... The Chargers and Raiders are 5-6, and a half game back from being tied for 1st place. Even the 3-9 Broncos could go on a 4 game win streak and finish atop the division lol. Hope the Chiefs keep sinking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: FWIW, the 16th and 19th picks are worth 1,875 draft value points. The 3rd pick is 2,200 (2,600 for 2). I am thinking that the Bills need to go up with either SF or Chicago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, BigDingus said: It's crazy that the AFC West is so bad this year.... The Chargers and Raiders are 5-6, and a half game back from being tied for 1st place. Even the 3-9 Broncos could go on a 4 game win streak and finish atop the division lol. Wherever you're checking the standings hasn't updated yet. Chiefs, Chargers, and Raiders are all 6-6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, /dev/null said: Wherever you're checking the standings hasn't updated yet. Chiefs, Chargers, and Raiders are all 6-6 Well ****, I hadn't checked back on standings after the Bills game. Turned off football for the afternoon. But that just further confirms how crazy it is that that division is so tight by being so mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I think the KC pick is going to keep rising in value through the end of the year. Their defense is terrible, and since the Steelers figured out how to stop their offense, any legitimate NFL defense does the same (including the Bills, not including the Jets). Plus the team seems completely without leadership. Did you see Peters, their DB, pick up the referee's flag after a penalty on the Chiefs, and throw the flag into the stands? Who does that? What professional does that? Peterman got his start in the wrong game. The Chargers have a great pass rush and the Bills' O line is below average. Peterman hit a good looking pass to Benjamin, who got hurt and hasn't been back since. Not Peterman's fault -- he didn't throw Benjamin into the coverage. And the first INT was a deflection off the Bills receiver's hands -- a good pass but a pick six. After that the roof caved in. In that first half, and today, Peterman reminded us what it looks like to have an NFL passer in a Bills uniform. Whether he's an NFL QB to go along with the passing, no one knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 44 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: Won't Cleveland, Denver, and NYG at least all be looking for quarterbacks? We need to beat Indy and hope they lose out, then trade with them. San Francisco and Chicago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: San Francisco and Chicago. That's assuming SF or Chicago would even want to trade down. In addition to the traditional QB frenzy at the top of the draft, 2018 may have teams jockeying for position to draft Saquon Barkley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan boy '92 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 A lot of teams are getting their quarterback problems solved in this draft. Bills should too, likely anywhere in the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kkspike Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 The bills should trade both first round picks so they can get the fourth best quarterback in the next draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) I am so into tank mode right now, after today's game. I'm closing in on 50 years old, been to more than 200 games in my life, including wide right and th comeback and I am ready for this. Would love both picks in the top 15, preferably 1 in the top 10 and I would be romancing the 49ers (if they hold at 3) like they are the girl I couldn't live without. "You want 10, 15 and 42? Let's talk, baby." Edited December 4, 2017 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/3/2017 at 7:28 PM, offyourocker said: I don't want to trade. We need to use all our draft pics where they are. Go after Cousins. Known commodity. I don't want to start with a rookie and take 3 years to figure out if he is amy good. No more hand me downs and 2nd hand quarterbacks, if he is all that teams would everything to keep him. Stop with the crap. Get a franchise QB. Trade both 1st round picks and the 5th rounder from Jacksonville and the draft pick from Kansas City next year to get into the top 5, either Chicago or San Francisco and get a franchise QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 3 hours ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: Won't Cleveland, Denver, and NYG at least all be looking for quarterbacks? We need to beat Indy and hope they lose out, then trade with them. Don't forget about the 49ers and Bears too as trade partners. And maybe Denver nabs Eli and they draft an OT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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