zow2 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Saw a tweet from the Buffalo Airport. The Bills are chartering one of the last Delta 747-400 aircraft in their fleet. It will be retired in December. It's scheduled to depart Buffalo around 12:30pm to LAX. Pretty cool since the airport rarely sees the 747. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Not sure I'd want to fly in a plan that will be retired in a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Hopefully the Bills will active for a little longer than that rickety old jumbo this winter..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 How do they normally fly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 They put feathers on their arms and flap real fast. It’s why the D has been so gassed I heard the fly on United but no specific type. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 39 minutes ago, Doc said: Not sure I'd want to fly in a plan that will be retired in a few weeks. This team likes to take chances 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 https://www.flightstats.com/go/Mobile/flightStatusByFlight.do?id=940612426&airlineCode=DL&flightNumber=8865 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 58 minutes ago, Doc said: Not sure I'd want to fly in a plan that will be retired in a few weeks. I’m sure they fly in style.. this isn’t the coach class we’re all used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 I always thought 747's couldn't land in Buffalo because the runway wasn't long enough? It’s not, this is part of the plan to rework the roster. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 38 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I always thought 747's couldn't land in Buffalo because the runway wasn't long enough? It isn't long enough. They are landing on the playoff drought. The space shuttle could land on the playoff drought. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: How do they normally fly? For shorter legs, usually a 757. Longer legs, a 767. The London games use Virgin Atlantic. It's part of the contract agreement. Buffalo''s long runway is 8800' long. That's long enough for a 747-400 on a domestic trip with required fuel and cargo loads. Regarding the age of the airplane, the 747 series are all being retired because they are too expensive to operate, not because of airworthiness issues. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 hour ago, sherpa said: For shorter legs, usually a 757. Longer legs, a 767. The London games use Virgin Atlantic. It's part of the contract agreement. Buffalo''s long runway is 8800' long. That's long enough for a 747-400 on a domestic trip with required fuel and cargo loads. Regarding the age of the airplane, the 747 series are all being retired because they are too expensive to operate, not because of airworthiness issues. And they're not being retired. They are the work horse for cargo now. With proper maintenance they'll be around for decades. The USAF is still flying 50 year old B-52s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 I meant from passenger service. Four engines is considerably more expensive to operate. Can't give away an Airbus 380 these days. 747 was originally designed as cargo anyway, thus the flight deck on the upper level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) https://twitter.com/bufairport/status/931838238263795712 If they give up 200+ yards rushing again and lose, Pegula should not spring for anything more than a Greyhound bus ticket home for each player. Edited November 18, 2017 by zow2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 I guess I'm not plane savvy. What is a 747-400? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 I don't care how they get out there, just win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 9 hours ago, Doc said: Not sure I'd want to fly in a plan that will be retired in a few weeks. As opposed to a drunk pilot flying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 The last BILLS 747 that I recall, was to London. We lost that one! Hopefully that wasn't an omen! I'm not the superstitious type BUT, the way things are going, we need all the help we can get. Maybe Terry is just "kicking the tires," and this is an option for the new BILLS plane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 hour ago, zow2 said: https://twitter.com/bufairport/status/931838238263795712 If they give up 200+ yards rushing again and lose, Pegula should not spring for anything more than a Greyhound bus ticket home for each player. Way to attack the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Steptide said: I guess I'm not plane savvy. What is a 747-400? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Anyone interested in a putting together a quick pep rally at the airport to send them off in style? A win on this trip would likely make all the difference in the playoff race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: How do they normally fly? They used to have charter but airlines cancelled deals with multiple teams to make more money elsewhere. 2 hours ago, zow2 said: https://twitter.com/bufairport/status/931838238263795712 If they give up 200+ yards rushing again and lose, Pegula should not spring for anything more than a Greyhound bus ticket home for each player. Perfect solution for a twit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, Limeaid said: They used to have charter but airlines cancelled deals with multiple teams to make more money elsewhere. They are all still charters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 2 hours ago, zow2 said: https://twitter.com/bufairport/status/931838238263795712 If they give up 200+ yards rushing again and lose, Pegula should not spring for anything more than a Greyhound bus ticket home for each player. He is fighting a losing war on two fronts..........his Sabres are the Browns of hockey with no relief in sight......... so I would guess he's about where McD is when addressing the run defense........problem is past punishment and more about bad decisions by his managers that are ultimately on ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: He is fighting a losing war on two fronts..........his Sabres are the Browns of hockey with no relief in sight......... so I would guess he's about where McD is when addressing the run defense........problem is past punishment and more about bad decisions by his managers that are ultimately on ownership. Unfortunately, the Sabres amassed assets like the Celtics did, but then used those assets poorly. The Celtics and to an extent, the Sixers demonstrated a great ability to amass and utilize assets. Although the Sixers have had their misses along the way. Hopefully the Sabres can catch up with more recent choices, like the Sixers. We have no way to assess how the BIlls are doing on this front, but give it two years. Edited November 18, 2017 by dulles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 They had an easier trip than I did. Started in Albany on a 10:50 AM flight, land in Baltimore, stay on the plane, land in Chicago, stay on the plane, land in Las Vegas get off the plane, wait almost 3 hours in Las Vegas for flight to John Wayne airport in Orange County, arrive at airport around 9PM PST. 13+ hours traveling. Next stop: bandbox stadium Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said: They had an easier trip than I did. Started in Albany on a 10:50 AM flight, land in Baltimore, stay on the plane, land in Chicago, stay on the plane, land in Las Vegas get off the plane, wait almost 3 hours in Las Vegas for flight to John Wayne airport in Orange County, arrive at airport around 9PM PST. 13+ hours traveling. Next stop: bandbox stadium Sunday. I'm guessing that was because you were price sensitive and based on your circuitous route, purchased a Southwest ticket. There are far easier ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 5 hours ago, sherpa said: I meant from passenger service. Four engines is considerably more expensive to operate. Can't give away an Airbus 380 these days. 747 was originally designed as cargo anyway, thus the flight deck on the upper level. Interesting stuff I never knew that. I havent flown in a 747 in a long long time. I recall a few long trips back from Europe, spending almost the entire trip in the upstairs bar, man was that a fun way to travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, sherpa said: I'm guessing that was because you were price sensitive and based on your circuitous route, purchased a Southwest ticket. There are far easier ways. Yep. But I didn't have LAX as a choice because my friends who I'm going to the game with live in Orange County & picked me up at the airport. The Bills didn't have any friends pick them up at LAX. Edited November 18, 2017 by Albany,n.y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 12 hours ago, zow2 said: Saw a tweet from the Buffalo Airport. The Bills are chartering one of the last Delta 747-400 aircraft in their fleet. It will be retired in December. It's scheduled to depart Buffalo around 12:30pm to LAX. Pretty cool since the airport rarely sees the 747. I got to fly on a 747 this August...interesting plane. I'm sure it will provide lots of room for everyone. It was cool to fly in a 747...always wanted to do so as a kid. It was definitely a step down from more modern airliners, but you can't beat the spaciousness (unless you go military grade). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 6 hours ago, sherpa said: I meant from passenger service. Four engines is considerably more expensive to operate. Can't give away an Airbus 380 these days. 747 was originally designed as cargo anyway, thus the flight deck on the upper level. Not exactly. Boeing was in a competition to provide a heavy subsonic hauler, but even before they lost that contract, the president of Pan Am approached Boeing for a bigger faster airliner and the 747 as it was initially designed and launched came from that design request. The team that designed the plane then made it so it could easily be converted to cargo if "supersonic" transport ever caught on for passenger carriage (the Concorde would be the only attempt at that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share Posted November 18, 2017 5 hours ago, Steptide said: I guess I'm not plane savvy. What is a 747-400? For many years it’s been the queen of the sky, twin aisles, 4 engines and the “hump”. The end of this year is the sunset of 747 service in the USA. United and Delta both retiring their fleets. Some foreign carriers like Lufthansa fly the slightly larger 747-800 and many fly the huge Airbus A380. The newer twin engine 787 and A350 are more fuel efficient and will replace 747s for U.S. airlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 I'm not saying that it was designed to only be a freighter. It was developed with a thought that it would have to have cargo only capability, if supersonic travel eliminated subsonic, long range airliners. thus the hinge-able nose. At the time, side loading double deck airplanes was not possible, so the the hinged nose would allow front loading. All that has changed, and now side loading is possible. Still, the design acknowledges that issue, as there was no other reason to put the flight deck on a different level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 5 hours ago, zow2 said: https://twitter.com/bufairport/status/931838238263795712 If they give up 200+ yards rushing again and lose, Pegula should not spring for anything more than a Greyhound bus ticket home for each player. Now that's funny. Make sure it's a commercial bus so they have to stop every 10 miles like I had to going to FL during Spring Break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: How do they normally fly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 500 miles already in the books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Big aircraft. Enough room for a walk through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Good.....need to keep the muscles loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) How long is the flight? Edit: never mind I see it’s about 5.5 hrs Edited November 18, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Little known fact: That’s Ralph Wilson on the right. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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