Domdab99 Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 lol I love posting a hot take and watching the sparks fly. Still, Tyrod is a top ten QB in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 You said Cam led them to a Super Bowl, I was disputing that he alone was responsible for that great season. I guess if I had said he alone was responsible for that great season you might have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) So a QB WHO actually got his team to the playoffs doesnt know what hes talking about? Â Seriously 😒? Ill follow the advice of a former football player over fans on forums. Sorry. I like you bro so don't take this the wrong way but I think you didn't understand my point. Â Dennison runs this offense not Romo. It's easy for a Tyrod hater (not meaning you) to hang on a word Romo says. My point was that there were no quick pass routes. So you can't argue that Romo is calling out Tyrod for not throwing quick pass... which Romo didn't say it that way...if there were no quick pass routes. Â Also he is hung up on him calling Tyrod out for not getting rid of the ball fast enough. He made that comment like once over one or two specific plays. Â Honestly I think anybody putting this loss on Taylor is an idiot. He did very well with zero protection and drives consisting of penalties and fumbles every time he made a first down. Edited November 3, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Just as consistent as the Bills are to being average or below... ...so to is the never ending battle of supporter vs. skeptics over the Bills average Place Holding QB. Â You know that old statement if you have to think about it the player shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. Â Well... Â If you have to argue so much about a quarterback there's probably some real issues and if you're arguing as much he's probably not the franchise quarterback. I find most of us realize TT isn't the long term answer, but he has played pretty well overall this season. The crusaders keep repeating ridiculous, dishonest posting, and then block you for calling them out, because they have no logical arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I guess if I had said he alone was responsible for that great season you might have a point. For me the difference is that you can rely on Newton to carry a team when called upon, as proven by their SB run. Am I missing something? You said Cam carried the team in their Super Bowl run. Im saying no he didnt as evidenced by their defensive stats and turnover differential (which was largely driven by their takeaways). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Am I missing something? You said Cam carried the team in their Super Bowl run. Im saying no he didnt as evidenced by their defensive stats and turnover differential (which was largely driven by their takeaways). If you look at my two posts that you quoted, I said quote you can rely on Newton to carry a team when called upon, as proven by their SB run end quote. If you want to take 'carry' to mean 'he alone was responsible' that's certainly your prerogative, but saying an MVP-winning QB 'carried' his team to a Super Bowl isn't an objectionable statement for 99.9% of people who follow the game of football and its colloquialisms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) If you look at my two posts that you quoted, I said quote you can rely on Newton to carry a team when called upon, as proven by their SB run end quote. If you want to take 'carry' to mean 'he alone was responsible' that's certainly your prerogative, but saying an MVP-winning QB 'carried' his team to a Super Bowl isn't an objectionable statement for 99.9% of people who follow the game of football and its colloquialisms. When did I say you said he alone was responsible? Okay this is getting too much like cafeteria gossip for my liking. Lets move on. Â I absolutely couldnt care less about the MVP award. It means about as much as winning Best Picture at the Oscars. Edited November 3, 2017 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) I have also preached consistancy this season....I still do  BUT  When every other aspect of the team is failing around Tyrod.....and he is still completing passes with his own OL getting shoved into him every play.......players committing stupid penalties.....the defense falling apart....his recievers fumbling the ball.......  its a little hard to blame it on him.... Just because I bitched about 7 sacks does not mean that I solely blame Tyrod.  But because I did Im a hater and a troll and I dont know jack schit.  The Buffalo Bills are not built to overcome 14 point deficits late in the game.  Where doe the majority of that //quote// blame lie? I have no f-ing clue. Edited November 3, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 The simplest solution Kelly is for you to put xRushx on ignore.That would be the selfish move, sure. I'm looking out for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 When did I say you said he alone was responsible? Okay this is getting too much like cafeteria gossip for my liking. Lets move on. Â I absolutely couldnt care less about the MVP award. It means about as much as winning Best Picture at the Oscars. Literally the second post of this page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I like you bro so don't take this the wrong way but I think you didn't understand my point. Â Dennison runs this offense not Romo. It's easy for a Tyrod hater (not meaning you) to hang on a word Romo says. My point was that there were no quick pass routes. So you can't argue that Romo is calling out Tyrod for not throwing quick pass... which Romo didn't say it that way...if there were no quick pass routes. Â Also he is hung up on him calling Tyrod out for not getting rid of the ball fast enough. He made that comment like once over one or two specific plays. Â Honestly I think anybody putting this loss on Taylor is an idiot. He did very well with zero protection and drives consisting of penalties and fumbles every time he made a first down. See my post to John. I do not blame Taylor alone. Taylor is who I thought he is. Â Good, not great. A guy who cant lead the team to a win when the **** hits the fan. BBFS. I buy Im and then Im disappointed again. That would be the selfish move, sure. I'm looking out for everyone. LOL 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Hes not a franchise QB but hes certainly one of the best 30 in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 lol I love posting a hot take and watching the sparks fly. Still, Tyrod is a top ten QB in this league. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Before I read through this thread, I'm going to guess that xrushx or whatever his name is has already posted his broken record drivel, failed to provide clear-cut, factual evidence to back his broken record drivel, and has been called out for it by one or more members. Â Am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Before I read through this thread, I'm going to guess that xrushx or whatever his name is has already posted his broken record drivel, failed to provide clear-cut, factual evidence to back his broken record drivel, and has been called out for it by one or more members. Â Am I right? Â Winner Winner Chicken Dinner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 First off, everyone has a different definition for what a franchise QB is, but I'll play along... Â I can't believe I'm actually saying this but I believe Tyrod Taylor should be given an extension to be the Bills starter for the foreseeable future...I just can't see any FA or college prospect playing better than him. Â In the last several weeks I have seen major improvements as a pocket passer- which I never thought were possible...he is stepping up in the pocket and constantly looking to throw instead of run...are there things he needs to improve? Of course...he takes way too many sacks and could get rid of the ball sooner...but the improvements that are taking place gives me faith in this guy...I would like to see how much better he can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 ...why not start at the top....what is A FRANCHISE QB?......who or IF anyone fits YOUR definition of a FRANCHISE QB?.....seems to me to be one helluva logjam of mediocre QB's at the level and several BELOW mediocrity who astonishingly remain woefully employed out of shear desperation for something masquerading as a QB.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) This is the danger in being a Buffalo Bills fan we've gone through such a far stretch of time without having a true elite quarterback. Tyrod is an above average quarterback but when The run game gets stopped and our defense can't provide multiple turnovers he's not the type of quarterback that can carry a team to victory he needs a strong supporting cast in all phases. He is the quarterback that is very athletic and mobile so obviously last night when there was no pass protection he displayed his athletic ability. But give Tyrod a clean pocket along with all the other quarterbacks in the league and he might be as high as 20th in the league as far as quarterback rankings. Tyrod is a good quarterback he can win some games but don't settle for that in my opinion every year you should be drafting a quarterback until you find an elite franchise quarterback. I think there are many franchise quarterbacks in the league but there are only a very few elite. Kirk cousins is a franchise quarterback. Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers Ben Rothlisberger Russell Wilson drew Brees ...these are all elite quarterbacks in my opinion which is a step above franchise. Tyrod is a good quarterback to get you through and stay competitive but continue drafting until you hit gold Edited November 3, 2017 by Finkle Is Einhorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I see his biggest flaw as not being adept at the quick pass. Throw in some quick passes into the game-plan yesterday and you nullify that pass rush. The loss yesterday was definitely not on his shoulders but franchise quarterbacks can lead their team to wins at times when their team is playing poorly. I don't think TT can do that. I like him, I want to keep him and still draft a QB of the future but he's not a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 All the excuses for tyrod are great. Its been 3 years and he still does the same dumb things he did year 1 with the Bills. I dont care who the QB is he just needs to be good. A QB that cannot win if his def does not play lights out is not going to cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 All the excuses for tyrod are great. Its been 3 years and he still does the same dumb things he did year 1 with the Bills. I dont care who the QB is he just needs to be good. A QB that cannot win if his def does not play lights out is not going to cut it.What dumb things does he do? Hes 20-17 so cannot win is relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 What dumb things does he do? Hes 20-17 so cannot win is relative. Fine, dumb was a bad word to use. He still does things wrong that he should not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Fine, dumb was a bad word to use. He still does things wrong that he should notSuch as... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) Such as...Hold on to the ball and taking sacks. He has gotten a little better throwing contested passes but not by much. He still waits for the wr to be open. Before people get all crazy. Im not just talking about last night. Edited November 3, 2017 by CircleTheWagons99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Hold on to the ball and taking sacks. He has gotten a little better throwing contested passes but not by much. He still waits for the wr to be open. Â Before people get all crazy. Im not just talking about last night. Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) Fair enough Hey, dont get me wrong. I want TT to succeed so the Bills can spend all those picks on OL, DL and players. I realy dont want them to use picks to move up. Edited November 3, 2017 by CircleTheWagons99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 If you watch the condensed version of the game, and just concentrate on how much time Tyrod had, and more importantly space to throw, versus Josh McCown, it's insane. Play to play. Not even in the same universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 <Jeff Foxworthy voice> "When a your starting QB is not the best QB on the field in two-thirds of your NFL season schedule...you might not have a franchise QB." Â Taylor definitely has stepped up his game for this debate to become legit, but his three year starting history suggests that his ceiling is probably middle to bottom half of the league and that will not be good enough for long term plans. He has a good opportunity to prove himself if he gets the team in the playoffs and they make a good run at the Super Bowl. If his play is inconsistent, then there will be a QB competition next training camp, and if he loses that, then he will be probably traded for a decent 2019 draft pick. Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Franchise QBs know how to audible to hot routes/runs on blitzes. There are too many small nuances to the game that TT fails at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Franchise QBs know how to audible to hot routes/runs on blitzes. There are too many small nuances to the game that TT fails at. To be far we dont know of he is allowed to auible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 To be far we dont know of he is allowed to auible. I read an article that said hes not allowed to do so. Who knows if thats true, but it were the case its quite damning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I have also preached consistancy this season....I still do  BUT  When every other aspect of the team is failing around Tyrod.....and he is still completing passes with his own OL getting shoved into him every play.......players committing stupid penalties.....the defense falling apart....his recievers fumbling the ball.......  its a little hard to blame it on him.... So true, yesterday was more about the complete lack of focus and execution by the rest of the team rather than TT's performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 If you watch the condensed version of the game, and just concentrate on how much time Tyrod had, and more importantly space to throw, versus Josh McCown, it's insane. Play to play. Not even in the same universe. Â Yes but why didn't we call plays to nullify the pass rush? Â Whenever the Pats play a super stout pass rush they go with quick passes. Do the playcallers not trust Tyrod with quick passes? Â I mean, it could be the receivers not able to get separation for those routes, I genuinely am interested. Again, I'm not a Tyrod hater and the blame should not be mostly on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 There's maybe 6-8 franchise QBs in the NFL...TT ain't one of them....He's serviceable and the best we've had in a while, but he's not to that level....Big Ben, Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Wilson...those guys are franchise QB.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 How many teams allow the QB to audible? Serious question. It seems CRAZY to stick to a doomed play. Why fight uphill, when you can find a better option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 There's maybe 6-8 franchise QBs in the NFL...TT ain't one of them....He's serviceable and the best we've had in a while, but he's not to that level....Big Ben, Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Wilson...those guys are franchise QB.... Don't forget Stanford and Luck who signed huge contracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I read an article that said hes not allowed to do so. Who knows if thats true, but it were the case its quite damning.I posted it here earlier but Kubiak didnt let Schaub audible in his 10th year. He was considered a cerebral vet. Dennison is a Kubiak disciple. It seems to me that its something that they just dont allow. Its seems like dont and not cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I posted it here earlier but Kubiak didnt let Schaub audible in his 10th year. He was considered a cerebral vet. Dennison is a Kubiak disciple. It seems to me that its something that they just dont allow. Its seems like dont and not cant. I recall a struggle when they first got to Denver too and Peyton was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I recall a struggle when they first got to Denver too and Peyton was there.I forgot about that. Its strange but lots of coaches have their philosophies and non negotiables. As an example Rex Ryan didnt believe in playing 11 games every snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 TT well above average now, on his way to "franchise" then - drumroll, harps playing - elite. We should draft nine OL players next year. All 5'9" and under but perfectly square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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