NewEra Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 What is a bunch of bull **** though? Look at how worked up you've gotten? It's bs that this is becoming more fuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 This is ridiculous. Crazy how big this could become. Bad timing with the comment. I surely don't believe he meant it in "those terms". Sherman is awful. I wish he was the next player shunned by NFL owners and not given a contract. That won't happen, because--unlike Kaepernick--Sherman behaves as though football is his number 1 priority. The reason Kaep doesn't have a job is because coaches want QBs that are focused primarily on football. For better or worse, Kaep isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Why is it sad though? How does it effect you? Am I the only one that just doesn't care about this stuff? I keep seeing these threads get started on a weekly basis and 75% of you guys just talk in circles. I don't watch or follow football for it's politics. I also don't care if the players kneel. I don't care if there are flyovers. I watch football to be entertained by the sport, not by it's fans and their political persuasions. It's not like I don't have my own ideologies, but lately I have tried as hard as I can to separate them entirely from watching football. 100% agree. The NFL in general and this forum has been inundated lately with racial innuendos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Why is it sad though? How does it effect you? Am I the only one that just doesn't care about this stuff? I keep seeing these threads get started on a weekly basis and 75% of you guys just talk in circles. I don't watch or follow football for it's politics. I also don't care if the players kneel. I don't care if there are flyovers. I watch football to be entertained by the sport, not by it's fans and their political persuasions. It's not like I don't have my own ideologies, but lately I have tried as hard as I can to separate them entirely from watching football. That's why it is sad. You shouldn't have to try to separate politics with watching football. Do you ever watch baseball or hockey or any other sport and have to deal with hearing about this player kneeling or that player being offended because of something? It's entertainment and the players, owners and media are making it political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 What is a bunch of bull **** though? Look at how worked up you've gotten? this isn't worked up. This is relaxing on my bed before checking on a newborn calf, a sick calf and checking my hives. If i got worked up over something so stupid I would check out of the incident and not engage it. I wouldn't worry a minute or care because it doesn't effect me. Instead, I just share my 3¢. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoo poonani Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 what does race have to do with breaking the law. rule of law should prevail (even though it doesn't). regardless, noone should be put in jail for unpaid parking tickets. the penalty has to fit the crime. if someone can't pay their parking tickets they should lose their ability to drive or some such. Consider application of the law. It's not that people shouldn't be punished, but they aren't punished proportionately. Non-violent offenders are more likely to go to jail if they are a minority. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Prisoner_Demographics.svg Equality doesn't mean we all have the same everything, it means we're all treated the same regardless of what we look like or how much money we make. That has never been achieved, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 Yeah, that's the most interesting part of it to me--that McNair got the phrase wrong lol I thought the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Have to agree here. I opened the article expecting to see something egregious and found a pretty common saying. the more common saying is inmates running the asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Yeah, that's the most interesting part of it to me--that McNair got the phrase wrong Freudian slip I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 You know, there are an awful lot of racist NFL fans. No kidding. And the NFL is terrified of alienating them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Hopefully he demands a trade. My first thought as well. Make it happen OBD. Want O'Leary? He's white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 My first thought as well. Make it happen OBD. Want O'Leary? He's white. Give them Zay. He wouldn't have caught the comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Totally agree. I think it's a huge over-reaction. You know, it just hit me...Texans players are contemplating walking out of practice because their owner used a common phrase (incorrectly-- ) Meanwhile, there's a kid playing for this team that took a whole 1 day off of practice after burying his infant daughter. I know which guy I admire more; that's for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 My first thought as well. Make it happen OBD. Want O'Leary? He's white.oLeary and oReilly for Hopkins. And Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 And the NFL is terrified of alienating them. ALL of this could have been avoided if Goodell banned players from protesting anthem as soon as Kaepernick started it. Having a loose cannon as president hasn't help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 Hopefully the controversy spills over into their season and they fall further behind the Bills in the WC raceyep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) At the owners meetings https://amp.usatoday.com/story/806600001/ @adamschefter Texans WR DeAndre Hopkins absence from practice today was related to Bob McNairs comments, per source. Texans players wanted to walkout today in response to owner Bob McNairs comments, per @sarahbarshop. Had to be persuaded to stay. If a white owner said this in relation to a group of white employees, all the white employees would understand the context and normal use of that statement just means you can not always let the employees run the company's big decisions. It would not resonate at all with them as being insensitive, racial, or political, and would just be an innocent common description. McNair has to be smarter and know his minority audience and not use those sensitive comments they might consider insensitve. That is the sensitive political and racial environment we live in right now. Owners need guidance on public statements. Edited October 27, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Hopefully the controversy spills over into their season and they fall further behind the Bills in the WC race W/O any of this controversy, they have a tough enough task with facing the Seahawks on the road this Sunday. Edited October 27, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) I guess players only feel players have free speech rights ? Everyone has free speech rights, but everyone will also be held responsible for what they say. Even Bob McNair. Why is this so hard to understand? Free speech means having the right to say what you want. But it doesn't give you the right to expect everyone else to listen to you or to agree with you. Frees speech comes with consequences. Edited October 27, 2017 by Domdab99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) It's just an expression--yes, poor choice of words, but good grief...are the players really this thin-skinned?Its not just the racial insensitivity of the remark, which is pretty obvious, especially for the large number of player who grew up in the South. Its the idea of the owners having the same sort of power relationship over the players as a prison warden over the inmates. The NFL talks a lot about its partnership with the players, and this flies in the face of that. Edited October 27, 2017 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) The reason that reality shows exist is because the dumb public eats it up. An incident like this becomes public and like this thread, the dumb posters, myself included, eat this up. Just as many people come on a thread like this to biotch about biotches. I don't know the particulars of this incident but it is very likely that the Texans players saw this on social media. Got pissed. Decided not to walk out in full but play anyway. Hopkins chose not to. They didn't go to the media they went to practice. the media covering the team noticed Hopkins not there and rightfully asked why. The team said personal reasons. Guys like Schefter dove deeper. They discovered it was about the McNair quote. The players didn't say look at me the media did. And that is their job. They reported it and we ate it up. It's our fault as much as anyone's. If we don't eat they don't write. Edited October 27, 2017 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Its not just the racial insensitivity of the remark, which is pretty obvious, especially for the large number of player who grew up in the South. Its the idea of the owners having the same sort of power relationship over the players as a prison warden over the inmates. The NFL talks a lot about its partnership with the players, and this flies in the face of that. Generally speaking, the person signing your paycheck does have a power relationship over you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Okay. So race is a hot button issue right now. Seems like folks are more comfortable lately voicing "controversial" opinions, and also folks are uber sensitive to such comments as well. I'm not trying to get all political here at all. I don't know if McNair is a racist or not. What I do know is that he made a not so smart comment at a really bad time. I don't think the saying "we can't have the inmates running the prison" is racist, necessarily. I have heard it used at work (in schools) referring to classroom/school discipline. I think the Texans have something good going. Houston has also been devastated by tragedy. I hope this doesn't ruin their season. People might give this McNair guy the 'figure of speech' benefit of the doubt if he didn't invest millions of dollars into getting Trump elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Everyone has free speech rights, but everyone will also be held responsible for what they say. Even Bob McNair. Why is this so hard to understand? Free speech means having the right to say what you want. But it doesn't give you the right to expect everyone else to listen to you or to agree with you. Frees speech comes with consequences. good, than keep that idiot Kaepernick off the field, tell Michael Bennett he owes money for slandering LV, tell the whole lot of the idiots that they will loose out on game checks for their nonsense. How's that for starters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Damn. I feel like freedom of speech not being the same as freedom of consequences shouldn't be hard for people to understand. Kneel and it may have adverse consequences. Equate NFL players to criminals, it may have adverse consequences. You're free to say and do anything you want; it doesn't mean you're free of any problems that it may create. Understand now? My pony is slow. good, than keep that idiot Kaepernick off the field, tell Michael Bennett he owes money for slandering LV, tell the whole lot of the idiots that they will loose out on game checks for their nonsense. How's that for starters? Has Kaepernick been playing? Did I miss it? And you want to punish people for speaking out or protesting, is that right? And it's "lose." Edited October 27, 2017 by Domdab99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Its not just the racial insensitivity of the remark, which is pretty obvious, especially for the large number of player who grew up in the South. Its the idea of the owners having the same sort of power relationship over the players as a prison warden over the inmates. The NFL talks a lot about its partnership with the players, and this flies in the face of that.how is it racially insensitive unless you characterize blacks as inmates? Only a racist would do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Okay. So race is a hot button issue right now. Seems like folks are more comfortable lately voicing "controversial" opinions, and also folks are uber sensitive to such comments as well. I'm not trying to get all political here at all. I don't know if McNair is a racist or not. What I do know is that he made a not so smart comment at a really bad time. I don't think the saying "we can't have the inmates running the prison" is racist, necessarily. I have heard it used at work (in schools) referring to classroom/school discipline. I think the Texans have something good going. Houston has also been devastated by tragedy. I hope this doesn't ruin their season. I dont think it matters if the comment is racist or not. The players are being told in no uncertain terms that their owner thinks of them as prisoners. Many of them likely feel there is a racial element to that (realistically would McNair have used that comment if he owned a hockey team? I doubt it), but thats just in addition to how bad the comment is on its own. Edited October 27, 2017 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I have a feeling this is going to end well. He messed up the phrase. It's inmates running the asylum, not the prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Its not just the racial insensitivity of the remark, which is pretty obvious, especially for the large number of player who grew up in the South. Its the idea of the owners having the same sort of power relationship over the players as a prison warden over the inmates. The NFL talks a lot about its partnership with the players, and this flies in the face of that. IMO, someone would have to be overly sensitive to take that expression as having a racial connotation. I feel like it's pretty simple--McNair was saying that they can't let the players dictate how they run their organization. Now, that's a debatable stance for him to take, but I think that people getting their feathers ruffled over the idiom that he uttered--which is clearly overshadowing the discussion regarding whether or not what he meant has merit--is a rather large overreaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Generally speaking, the person signing your paycheck does have a power relationship over you.That is true to varying degrees. But in any case, its not a great idea to call attention to it, especially in the middle of a very sensitive negotiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 My pony is slow. Has Kaepernick been playing? Did I miss it? nope and by your argument he shouldn't be playing and there is nothing wrong with the NFL not wanting him based on his viewpoints and off the field life alone. Well done. You just had your argument throwm back at you. I love exposing hypocrisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I dont think it matters if the comment is racist or not. The players are being told in no uncertain terms that their owner thinks of them as prisoners. Many of them likely feel there is a racial element to that (realistically would McNair have used that comment if he owned a hockey team? I doubt it), but thats just in addition to how bad the comment is on its own. It's a bone headed comment but it's a very, very common phrase. I don't think the owner thinks of them as criminals, it's just a phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 how is it racially insensitive unless you characterize blacks as inmates? Only a racist would do that.Untrue. Ignorance of how something is racially insensitive happens all the time by non-racists. They say things that are racist without being racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 McNair said something stupid, but the players are overreacting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Creative way to play hooky Hopkins. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 It's just an expression--yes, poor choice of words, but good grief...are the players really this thin-skinned? Give a mouse a cookie. Constant greivance culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Why is it sad though? How does it effect you? Am I the only one that just doesn't care about this stuff? I keep seeing these threads get started on a weekly basis and 75% of you guys just talk in circles. I don't watch or follow football for it's politics. I also don't care if the players kneel. I don't care if there are flyovers. I watch football to be entertained by the sport, not by it's fans and their political persuasions. It's not like I don't have my own ideologies, but lately I have tried as hard as I can to separate them entirely from watching football. This is pretty much how I feel with the exception of trying to separate the protests from the game- I just don't care one way or the other...the game is the game and that is all that matters to me. Edited October 27, 2017 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) nope and by your argument he shouldn't be playing and there is nothing wrong with the NFL not wanting him based on his viewpoints and off the field life alone. Well done. You just had your argument throwm back at you. I love exposing hypocrisy lol what? I didn't say he shouldn't be playing, I said that his words and actions have consequences. Even if those consequences are unfair. You know what, never mind. I'm backing slowly away from you and will not engage again. My bad. You remind me of someone I once knew who was a blithering idiot. Not that I'm comparing you to him, of course. I would never do that. Nope. Wouldn't do it. Edited October 27, 2017 by Domdab99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I guess players only feel players have free speech rights ? Just like the players suffer the consequences of exercising that right, same with ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 The reason that reality shows exist is because the dumb public eats it up. An incident like this becomes public and like this thread, the dumb posters, myself included, eat this up. Just as many people come on a thread like this to biotch about biotches. I don't know the particulars of this incident but it is very likely that the Texans players saw this on social media. Got pissed. Decided not to walk out in full but play anyway. Hopkins chose not to. They didn't go to the media they went to practice. the media covering the team noticed Hopkins not there and rightfully asked why. The team said personal reasons. Guys like Schefter dove deeper. They discovered it was about the Adams quote. The players didn't say look at me the media did. And that is their job. They reported it and we ate it up. It's our fault as much as anyone's. If we don't eat they don't write. this is but one of the things that are really screwed up with our society today. the media's job is not to incite though it would seem that is what they are adept at. whether by design or an oblivious side effect, there is an agenda. not necessarily by sports reporters in general but by the collective conglomerate network news that is fed to Joe and Betty Six-pack. one need only to view these things with an objective eye and ask why is an item being pushed/why is an item not being reported on. it's plain as day if you choose to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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