Juice_32 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 He is coming from ECU and the American athletic conference. The speed of the game and talent of the players is 50x better. He caught lollipops for 4 years at ECU and now TT is slinging it to him with zip. He never played against such good competition and he never had to catch a fastball from an NFL QB This is a huge adjustment He caught 22 balls against USC in Columbia. He caught 14 against a Gators secondary that are all in the NFL now. The competition argument is probably a little overblown. I don't get the drops, but do think he'll figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 rookie wideouts always struggle although it been worse than i thought he'll be a good player in time Tough to say always given the extremely productive rookie WRs who have come out the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 He caught 22 balls against USC in Columbia. He caught 14 against a Gators secondary that are all in the NFL now. The competition argument is probably a little overblown. I don't get the drops, but do think he'll figure it out. Agreed on bolded. He's just played badly. Like a young QB handed a starting job without a competition they can start to internalize and fight themselves. Another disservice from this front office and staff.........competition gets young players out of their own heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Agreed on bolded. He's just played badly. Like a young QB handed a starting job without a competition they can start to internalize and fight themselves. Another disservice from this front office and staff.........competition gets young players out of their own heads. I just get this feeling there is gonna be a game where it just starts to click for Zay...and its gonna be behind him forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 He caught 22 balls against USC in Columbia. He caught 14 against a Gators secondary that are all in the NFL now. The competition argument is probably a little overblown. I don't get the drops, but do think he'll figure it out. The competition wasn't my focus point... I said he caught lollipops for 4 years. The ECU QB throws lollipops compared to TT . The zip of the ball is way faster than what Zay Jones got at ECU He wasn't catching NFL fastballs at ECU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 The competition wasn't my focus point... I said he caught lollipops for 4 years. The ECU QB throws lollipops compared to TT . The zip of the ball is way faster than what Zay Jones got at ECU He wasn't catching NFL fastballs at ECU Hands are hands. You didn't see receivers playing worse with Favre because he threw bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 The competition wasn't my focus point... I said he caught lollipops for 4 years. The ECU QB throws lollipops compared to TT . The zip of the ball is way faster than what Zay Jones got at ECU He wasn't catching NFL fastballs at ECU Shane Carden's velocity at the combine was higher than Tyrod's. It's not a physical problem. The competition he faced was solid and he actually played his best against SEC and ACC teams. The kid can catch a football, he just has to believe it. This is 100% mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Hands are hands. You didn't see receivers playing worse with Favre because he threw bullets. Because they were NFL receivers who played with Favre and adjusted lol Zay is a kid who never played with an NFL QB at ECU... and now he plays with NFL caliber arms. It's completely different That's why they make jugs machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Yeah cause Favre never had a rookie WR? Come on bro, you're talking about a possession receiver - he has caught bullets before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Agreed on bolded. He's just played badly. Like a young QB handed a starting job without a competition they can start to internalize and fight themselves. Another disservice from this front office and staff.........competition gets young players out of their own heads. I don't know that it was a disservice necessarily, that will take more than 5 games to figure out. I do agree that he's fighting himself though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Shane Carden's velocity at the combine was higher than Tyrod's. It's not a physical problem. The competition he faced was solid and he actually played his best against SEC and ACC teams. The kid can catch a football, he just has to believe it. This is 100% mental. TTs arm has gotten much stronger than his testing #s... Petermans velocity was higher than TT at the combine also... I would bet he doesn't have more velocity than TT today Yeah cause Favre never had a rookie WR? Come on bro, you're talking about a possession receiver - he has caught bullets before. For sure but not regularly. Almost every ball in the NFL is on a rope. It's not like that in college. When they say adjusting to the speed of the game it's just not the players.. it's also the ball speed I agree he had great hands in college but it doesn't always translate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Another ball that you would like caught, but I wouldn't call it easy. How easy is easy? While the four mentioned were not gift wrapped and hand delivered by Hotrod, by NFL standards they are easy catches. Do you think these passes were too hard for Zay to catch? It's the bigs. Catch the freakin' football when it hits you in the hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 He dropped all of his accounts? @MatthewFairburn Why Buffalo Bills WR Zay Jones has been staying off social media: http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/10/why_buffalo_bills_wr_zay_jones_has_been_staying_off_social_media.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Tough to say always given the extremely productive rookie WRs who have come out the past few years. This Shane Carden's velocity at the combine was higher than Tyrod's. It's not a physical problem. The competition he faced was solid and he actually played his best against SEC and ACC teams. The kid can catch a football, he just has to believe it. This is 100% mental. Agree here too, that's why I have hope for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Because they were NFL receivers who played with Favre and adjusted lol Zay is a kid who never played with an NFL QB at ECU... and now he plays with NFL caliber arms. It's completely different That's why they make jugs machines. ..of course the competition level is VASTLY different......it even took the GOAT Jerry Rice to adjust from the Mississippi Valley State juggernaut.........kid is playing mind games with himself and expecting 160 ECU receptions to translate into the NFL level.....amplifying his drops so far is affecting his play......bring in Andre Reed for a week to work with the kid and get his head refocused.......Zay is well worth it IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) He dropped all of his accounts? @MatthewFairburn Why Buffalo Bills WR Zay Jones has been staying off social media: http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/10/why_buffalo_bills_wr_zay_jones_has_been_staying_off_social_media.html Smart. Edited October 20, 2017 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elroy16 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) How easy is easy? While the four mentioned were not gift wrapped and hand delivered by Hotrod, by NFL standards they are easy catches. Do you think these passes were too hard for Zay to catch? It's the bigs. Catch the freakin' football when it hits you in the hands. As I've said, like five times, he should have caught all of the drops he's had. I'm not disagreeing with that. So no, they were not too hard for him to catch. These are easy catches that were dropped. I don't think what I'm saying is that hard to follow here. When I say easy I mean open, without the threat of getting hit, and the ball is delivered on target. Yes, he should have caught them. No, they were not easy catches like the gifs above. No, I am not going to start calling him a bust or worry that he has the yips. It's been five games ffs. Edited October 20, 2017 by elroy16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 As I've said, like five times, he should have caught all of the drops he's had. I'm not disagreeing with that. So no, they were not too hard for him to catch. These are easy catches that were dropped. I don't think what I'm saying is that hard to follow here. When I say easy I mean open, without the threat of getting hit, and the ball is delivered on target. Yes, he should have caught them. No, they were not easy catches like the gifs above. No, I am not going to start calling him a bust or worry that he has the yips. It's been five games ffs. He's an NFL WR, ffs. He's been pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 He dropped all of his accounts? The velocity of social media posts in the NFL is different than what he saw in college. Give him time - he needs to adjust to the speed of NFL social media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 Zay is in danger of dropping down the depth chart with Thompson on board. @evansilva Evan Silva Retweeted Joe Buscaglia Logan Thomas can be a real weapon for #Bills. O'Leary balled out on his opps. They need more targets than Zay Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Thompson, Matthews and Jones will be the top 3 going forward. Gotta figure out ways to get Jordan Matthews more involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Zay Zay getting covered by LBs. Give the kid a seat and see if Thompson and Taylor can continue producing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Yesterday's stats: Tyrod to Zay: 2/9 (22.2%) for 17 Yards (1.89 YPA) Tyrod to everyone else: 18/24 (75%) for 251 Yards (10.46 YPA) and 1 TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Yesterday's stats: Tyrod to Zay: 2/9 (22.2%) for 17 Yards (1.89 YPA) Tyrod to everyone else: 18/24 (75%) for 251 Yards (10.46 YPA) and 1 TD Most accurate passer in Bills history. He had Watkins, Woods, Clay and McCoy healthy only a handful of times in two years and when he did he was completing passes regularly in the 70%+ range. Give Taylor playmakers and you get a synergy you don't get with a lot of other QB's...........take them all away and he can Jauron Ball you to mediocrity.............he's not franchise but he's pretty good and Zay is in the way right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 @MatthewFairburn Rick Dennison on Zay Jones: "There's not a play where he's not busting his tail." @mikerodak Bills offensive coordinator Rick Dennison continued to stand behind rookie WR Zay Jones on Monday, saying... http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-40006555-4 @Nick_Wojton Dennison on Zay Jones: In time he'll produce #Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 @MatthewFairburn Rick Dennison on Zay Jones: "There's not a play where he's not busting his tail." @mikerodak Bills offensive coordinator Rick Dennison continued to stand behind rookie WR Zay Jones on Monday, saying... http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-40006555-4 @Nick_Wojton Dennison on Zay Jones: In time he'll produce #Bills JP Losman, Trent Edwards and EJ Manuel busted their butts, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Yesterday's stats: Tyrod to Zay: 2/9 (22.2%) for 17 Yards (1.89 YPA) Tyrod to everyone else: 18/24 (75%) for 251 Yards (10.46 YPA) and 1 TD you can't compare 1 guy against a whole group. he could be 5 for 5 on shady and 0 for 3 on 2 other guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) Here's a link to Zay's drop against the falcons. https://twitter.com/Allen_Strk/status/915752356859523072 It's a pass you really want him to catch, but you can't persuade me into thinking this is an easy catch. Greaaaaaat double move there Yesterday's stats: Tyrod to Zay: 2/9 (22.2%) for 17 Yards (1.89 YPA) Tyrod to everyone else: 18/24 (75%) for 251 Yards (10.46 YPA) and 1 TD I suspect the targets aren't converting easily because he's not quite where he is expected to be based on the stats above. Edited October 23, 2017 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 JP Losman, Trent Edwards and EJ Manuel busted their butts, too. We are comparing a WR to a QB now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 We are comparing a WR to a QB now? No. We're not. We're simply showing that, although some players give it their all, the fact remains that they just suck. No matter how hard they try to not suck. Regardless of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 @Cover_1_ Good play call. LB has to carry the route by Zay, but the LB does a heck of a job. ZJ has to hold the 'red line' to give TT space to work w. https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/922814780787908608/pu/vid/640x360/aRgpnUb6lP4TWdeE.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 He is not just having a bad season - he is having a HISTORICALLY bad season. If he continues at this pace (i.e., if they don't bench him, which they should), he may set records for worst catch rate of all-time. This is an EPIC flameout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 you can't compare 1 guy against a whole group. he could be 5 for 5 on shady and 0 for 3 on 2 other guys Takes 20 seconds to google the box score and see that that was not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Takes 20 seconds to google the box score and see that that was not the case. Thompson: 4 catches on 4 targets O'Leary: 2 catches on 2 targets McCoy: 5 catches on 7 targets Thomas: 1 catch on 1 target T. Jones: 1 catch on 2 targets Holmes: 2 catches on 3 targets Matthews: 2 catches on 3 targets Tolbert: 1 catch on 1 target 1 throw away. That makes up the 18/24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 He is not just having a bad season - he is having a HISTORICALLY bad season. If he continues at this pace (i.e., if they don't bench him, which they should), he may set records for worst catch rate of all-time. This is an EPIC flameout. My main concern with Zay is not his drops as it is his inability to get open. He's getting smothered by LBs. Just watching his body language he seems so tight. Right now he is arguably the worst wideout in the league. I'm far from giving up on him. But because he is currently such a liability he is adding pressure to the other receivers. It's time for him to visit the bench and take a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 My main concern with Zay is not his drops as it is his inability to get open. He's getting smothered by LBs. Just watching his body language he seems so tight. Right now he is arguably the worst wideout in the league. I'm far from giving up on him. But because he is currently such a liability he is adding pressure to the other receivers. It's time for him to visit the bench and take a break. So we used a 2nd round pick to draft a WR who needs to develop his separation and pass-catching skills. That's like drafting an OT who doesn't know how to block, yet. Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 So we used a 2nd round pick to draft a WR who needs to develop his separation and pass-catching skills. That's like drafting an OT who doesn't know how to block, yet. Awesome. Not necessarily. Zay is struggling. There is no doubt about it. Anyone who says otherwise is either blind or an outlandish homer. Just because he is struggling in his rookie year doesn't mean that he is an abject failure with no future. No question he needs more time beyond this season. Then a clearer assessment can be made about his prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 The velocity of social media posts in the NFL is different than what he saw in college. Give him time - he needs to adjust to the speed of NFL social media I disagree. Theres something very wrong with this kid. Coaches are talking him up, but hes not delivering. I think their view is skewed because they traded up to get him and they dont like being fooled. When opponents choose to cover a WR with a linebacker and he still catches just 2 of 9 targets, thats a problem. For as poor as our Receiving crew is, hes rightfully on the bottom. Theres been NOTHING to suggest he isnt a Bust. Yeah, I said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 I disagree. Theres something very wrong with this kid. Coaches are talking him up, but hes not delivering. I think their view is skewed because they traded up to get him and they dont like being fooled. When opponents choose to cover a WR with a linebacker and he still catches just 2 of 9 targets, thats a problem. For as poor as our Receiving crew is, hes rightfully on the bottom. Theres been NOTHING to suggest he isnt a Bust. Yeah, I said it. Not only that, David is just back in action from a high ankle sprain. That's a matchup he should win every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Not necessarily. Zay is struggling. There is no doubt about it. Anyone who says otherwise is either blind or an outlandish homer. Just because he is struggling in his rookie year doesn't mean that he is an abject failure with no future. No question he needs more time beyond this season. Then a clearer assessment can be made about his prospects. But this is a 2nd round pick. The issues he's having are issues that a) one would expect from an UDFA and b) would result in almost any other WR being cut in training camp. I hope he figures it out. But I remember hoping Aaron Maybin would figure it out, too. I'm not optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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