mrags Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 With all the doom and gloom. With all the OMG it's a full tank. With all the people in this place that want to jump off a bridge. This is the place for everyone that is happy that Sammy is gone. I'll be first. I don't hide it. Never have. I've hated Sammy here since he cost us 2 first rounders. Hated him even more when he called out the Buffalo Fans. Calling us "losers" and saying we have "little jobs". Hated him even more when he kept getting hurt. Not injured, Hurt and refused to play through pain. I for one am extremely happy he's off this team. I am even more happy we got a WR that has outperformed with less support than Sammy has had. Happy we got a 2nd rounder back in the trade. Happy we ended up with a CB to replace Darby that is probably just as good and with the same upside going forward. And of course again with another pick. This isn't a tank. If it was we would have just doubled up on draft picks instead of asking for players in the trades. This is not a tank because we still have McCoy, Taylor, Hughes, Dareus, Wood, Kyle. This is not a tank or we wouldn't have signed Boldin in the first place. Boldin and Mathews both outperformed Sammy in the last 3 seasons. This is a thread for those that think it's hilarious that everyone is in full meltdown mode. This is a thread that enjoys the fact that we not only have players that can and will compete this season, but are finally ready to rock and roll come next years draft. Let's hope the Pegulas are paying a lot of money to scouts this season to figure out what QB we are going to draft next season of Taylor doesn't improve significantly. And chances are, they will draft one anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I'm game. Over-rated, oft-injured. Now we just need to whack the scrub that was throwing him the football. Give the Rams another call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Have to say, I love the Darby-Matthews trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 We'll see how happy you are when team's squeeze the short part of the field since there is nobody that can draw coverage away. This offense will struggle this season...pass and run will be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Like him or hate him, he was still the best receiver on this roster. It's a hole in the offense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I'm indifferent to the guy as a person. Football-wise, I believe this is a good move for the franchise. Sweep out the old regime, start fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Like him or hate him, he was still the best receiver on this roster. It's a hole in the offense now. How do you know? He wasn't on the field all last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I don't think it was that bad of a deal. Not sure why so many are up in arms. They replaced sammys production just not his "potential" This is a running team who doesn't target the #1 receivers as much as other teams do. Pretty sure the 3 top receivers on the team now can match the same production as before Sammy was traded. As for Darby he was just a casualty of making the rest of the pieces fit. Anyone who has watched Carolina the last few years know they do not depend on a good secondary nor do they invest into it. With that said I expect they have some faith they can win some games this way. Let's be real playoffs was a long shot before and after these trades. Only difference is we have some serious ammo to make moves next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runninrams Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 37 games 2,459 yards 16.1 ypc 17 td with EJ Manuel and Tyrod Taylor throwing you the ball are great stats. Guy has always been underrated by Bills fans with their panties in a twist over the trade to get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I'm not happy that he is gone per-se, I just wish they never traded up in the draft for him, in one of the best WR drafts in recent history... Having to get max value for him is not a win, it shows how inept this franchise really is. Having said all that, Sammy IMO was a bust. If you can't stay on the field, you are useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Watkins is good, he just hasnt' been on the field. He's still really young. I feel like he could still catch on somewhere and have a big career with multiple pro bowls. Maybe not LA but he still has a long career ahead of him somewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Better than letting him go for nothing. The GM and HC are thinking long term and Sammy wasn't part of their plans. Edited August 11, 2017 by Cripple Creek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Also happy about this. Simply put wideouts are a nice to have, and quarterbacks are a must have. If this helps us get a long term answer at quarterback I am all for it. If you didnt make this move you end up getting nothing for a player you spent a fortune to get. If he has a bust season you lose out from the jump, if he plays great you end up paying 12-14million for a player with one year of elite production, it was a no win situation. Sammy may have helped sell tickets, but he never made enough of an impact on the field to help the team win in a substantial way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Christ Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 he's a sprinter td receiver.........never liked going across or over the middle. I'll miss him for sure.......HR hitter. But we needed that a lot when we were behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Im in. Bills sold high and got rewarded. I honestly think that during training camp is the time a team would pay the most for a player like Watkins. Im very happy about this move CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I agree OP. I think the D gets back on track, top 10 at least and the O was top 10 in scoring with Watkins missing most the year and playing on 1 foot when he was on field. This team still has a ton of potential imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 We'll see how happy you are when team's squeeze the short part of the field since there is nobody that can draw coverage away. This offense will struggle this season...pass and run will be worse. boldin/Mathews/Jones > Sammy/Woods/Goodwin And that's even if Sammy was healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 My whole deal on this is how it ended up in the end it was a BAD trade.... It would not have been a bad trade if Sammy had beat the injury bug and got a new contract at the end of the season.....but doing it like this we bought high and sold low. And yes...I think Jordan Mathews IS a good receiver....its just that Sammy was a ELITE talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 My whole deal on this is how it ended up in the end it was a BAD trade.... It would not have been a bad trade if Sammy had beat the injury bug and got a new contract at the end of the season.....but doing it like this we bought high and sold low. And yes...I think Jordan Mathews IS a good receiver....its just that Sammy was a ELITE talent News Flash: Watkins wasn't coming back next year. Something instead of nothing. Brilliant. I toast McBeane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Not happy he's gone but excited that we got good value for him instead of watching him leave for nothing. This must be a very confusing day for the crowd that believed Whaley was a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 This must be a very confusing day for the crowd that believed Whaley was a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Like him or hate him, he was still the best receiver on this roster. It's a hole in the offense now.hes not better than Mathews as he has many more receptions, more yards, and more TDs in the same span. He can also stay on the field. And he's done all that with wentz as a rookie, Bradford, Sanchez, and Foles at QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 With all the doom and gloom. With all the OMG it's a full tank. With all the people in this place that want to jump off a bridge. This is the place for everyone that is happy that Sammy is gone. I'll be first. I don't hide it. Never have. I've hated Sammy here since he cost us 2 first rounders. Hated him even more when he called out the Buffalo Fans. Calling us "losers" and saying we have "little jobs". Hated him even more when he kept getting hurt. Not injured, Hurt and refused to play through pain. I for one am extremely happy he's off this team. I am even more happy we got a WR that has outperformed with less support than Sammy has had. Happy we got a 2nd rounder back in the trade. Happy we ended up with a CB to replace Darby that is probably just as good and with the same upside going forward. And of course again with another pick. This isn't a tank. If it was we would have just doubled up on draft picks instead of asking for players in the trades. This is not a tank because we still have McCoy, Taylor, Hughes, Dareus, Wood, Kyle. This is not a tank or we wouldn't have signed Boldin in the first place. Boldin and Mathews both outperformed Sammy in the last 3 seasons. This is a thread for those that think it's hilarious that everyone is in full meltdown mode. This is a thread that enjoys the fact that we not only have players that can and will compete this season, but are finally ready to rock and roll come next years draft. Let's hope the Pegulas are paying a lot of money to scouts this season to figure out what QB we are going to draft next season of Taylor doesn't improve significantly. And chances are, they will draft one anyway. Why would you hate Watkins for Whaley's trade? And for the "little jobs" stuff, that was directed at the folks who were harassing him on Twitter. Unless you were one of them, I don't think it was directed at you. There is an odd subset of Bills fans who are clearly insecure about their lives and feel this way, it's fascinating. As for the trade itself, I get it. Not sure it's going to work out, but I guess there's only one way to find out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I'm in. choice on the matter? geez, after 43 years with this team and the last 17, as if this is a dealbreaker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 There's simply not that much to miss, unless you bought his jersey. He barely played for us! Best case scenario if he'd stayed, he stays on the field for a full season and puts up top 5 WR numbers. Great. Now you need to pay him top dollar based on one year. And who's to say the injuries don't flare up again the following year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 boldin/Mathews/Jones > Sammy/Woods/Goodwin And that's even if Sammy was healthy Hahahaha Yea right. Enjoy the 3 win season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 37 games 2,459 yards 16.1 ypc 17 td with EJ Manuel and Tyrod Taylor throwing you the ball are great stats. Guy has always been underrated by Bills fans with their panties in a twist over the trade to get him Spot on! This thread is moronic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 37 games 2,459 yards 16.1 ypc 17 td with EJ Manuel and Tyrod Taylor throwing you the ball are great stats. Guy has always been underrated by Bills fans with their panties in a twist over the trade to get him swapped out for a guy that had more receptions, yards, and TDs with Foles, Sanchez, Bradford, and Wentz as a rookie at QB. Your argument is nil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Watkins told Beane and McDermott that there was no way on God's green Earth that he will be re-signing with the Bills after the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I'm in. choice on the matter? geez, after 43 years with this team and the last 17, as if this is a dealbreaker? Bravo!... Well put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 46 games 2673 yards 11.9 19TD Hm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Not happy he is gone but I am happy we got something for him. Talk about a bad use of 2 number 1 picks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) What's funny is some fans deny how badly the Bills org just just bent over hardcore on this moronic trade. Your like the Philly fans trying to justify KIKO over Shady. LOL Our Ex-coach of one game is sticking us hardcore..... Edited August 11, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Hahahaha Yea right. Enjoy the 3 win season. your in the wrong thread. This is for people supporting the trade and think we are better off. The thread where people are jumping off bridges is 2 threads down. Bye Edited August 11, 2017 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 What's funny is some fans deny how badly the Bills org just just bent over hardcore on this moronic trade. Your like the Philly fans trying to justify KIKO over Shady. LOL Our Ex-coach of one game is sticking us hardcore..... but the draft! the draft!!! picks!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 With all the doom and gloom. With all the OMG it's a full tank. With all the people in this place that want to jump off a bridge. This is the place for everyone that is happy that Sammy is gone. I'll be first. I don't hide it. Never have. I've hated Sammy here since he cost us 2 first rounders. Hated him even more when he called out the Buffalo Fans. Calling us "losers" and saying we have "little jobs". Hated him even more when he kept getting hurt. Not injured, Hurt and refused to play through pain. I for one am extremely happy he's off this team. I am even more happy we got a WR that has outperformed with less support than Sammy has had. Happy we got a 2nd rounder back in the trade. Happy we ended up with a CB to replace Darby that is probably just as good and with the same upside going forward. And of course again with another pick. This isn't a tank. If it was we would have just doubled up on draft picks instead of asking for players in the trades. This is not a tank because we still have McCoy, Taylor, Hughes, Dareus, Wood, Kyle. This is not a tank or we wouldn't have signed Boldin in the first place. Boldin and Mathews both outperformed Sammy in the last 3 seasons. This is a thread for those that think it's hilarious that everyone is in full meltdown mode. This is a thread that enjoys the fact that we not only have players that can and will compete this season, but are finally ready to rock and roll come next years draft. Let's hope the Pegulas are paying a lot of money to scouts this season to figure out what QB we are going to draft next season of Taylor doesn't improve significantly. And chances are, they will draft one anyway. I'm with you. He was always hurt and wants big money in the offseason. Our WR corps this year with Boldin, Mathews and Zay Jones is better than last year with Watson, Woods and Goodwin. I think this group fits the offense just fine and will be very productive this year. Gaines looks to be just as good as Darby and we drafted Tre White so CB should be okay as well. Love the fact that we now have 2 picks in the first, second and third rounds. I absolutely love these deals both for this year and the future. Good riddance Sammy. People that prefer Jordan Matthews to Sammy are called shmucks. Enjoy the delusion. It's not so much that we prefer Mathews to Sammy, it's just that overall, I for one like the combination of Boldin, Mathews and Zay Jones way better than an injured Sammy, Woods and Goodwin, which is what we had last year. Overall I think we will get more production out of these guys than we did from last year's group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 This is the pretend Jordan Matthews is good thread. Lololol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I have to start off saying I loved BOTH Watkins and Darby .... But looking at both trades, we get a CB of equal talent, a WR with better stats and who has proven to be more durable, and the Rams second round and Eagles third round picks. I'm on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I have to start off saying I loved BOTH Watkins and Darby .... But looking at both trades, we get a CB of equal talent, a WR with better stats and who has proven to be more durable, and the Rams second round and Eagles third round picks. I'm on board. Tapping one on the keg of optimism for you bud! Plenty of room on the bandwagon!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I thought Sammy has lost a step, his route running looks very choppy and methodical. Ultimately this team is being built for the 2019 & 2020 season. I like it. 6 picks in first 3 rounds. And at this point right now, this very second you couldn't convince me Sammy is better than Jordan Matthews. Potential maybe? Health and consistency? No way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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