3rdand12 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) If you ask me, LB and DE opposite of Shaq are bigger holes. Considering Hughes has had back to back down years. Clay has not been utilized correctly. Not saying the guy is a world beater, but with more competent QB play, I think we see better production out of Clay. I still would love to add Barn' but I don't think it's our biggest hole. me either, by a ways Edited May 9, 2017 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 ESPN named TE as Bills biggest roster hole http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/05/tight_end_named_buffalo_bills_biggest_roster_hole_following_2017_nfl_draft.html Our biggest hole on the team? No. Our biggest hole on offense? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Our biggest hole on the team? No. Our biggest hole on offense? Yes. RT? WR2, WR3? I think those three positions are much weaker than a TE position that is headlined by Clay. Sure they drafted guys at RT and WR but Clay (if healthy) is leaps and bounds above rookies who are going to be expected to produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 me either, by a waysA part of me has to wonder if this has anything to do with buffalo not taking Howard, more so then them looking and seeing who is already at the position for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 And sometimes even 3. Then where do all the fullbacks play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mshady Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 So does anyone know where we are on signing him? He was here, he was in Kentucky for the derby and recruited hard by Woods and that's all I got. Jacksonville seems like the best fit if he wants to be a #1 TE and seems to be where he is heading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 So does anyone know where we are on signing him? He was here, he was in Kentucky for the derby and recruited hard by Woods and that's all I got. Jacksonville seems like the best fit if he wants to be a #1 TE and seems to be where he is heading.he has between two and 12 more visits lined up depending on who you believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 But if we bought him a mint julep, he's ours, right? Or will he hold that against us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Cake Walk, He'll be a Bill by the end of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 According to Schefter, he signed a 3 year deal for $12 mill. With Bills Woah! Did NOT expect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Woah! Did NOT expect that. Sorry man. It was a fake account on Twitter. They got me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Oy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 RT? WR2, WR3? I think those three positions are much weaker than a TE position that is headlined by Clay. Sure they drafted guys at RT and WR but Clay (if healthy) is leaps and bounds above rookies who are going to be expected to produce. While those other positions may not have the best players in the league, I feel pretty good about the depth Granted, Jordan Mills is not that good, but he's adequate. We do have Dion Dawkins and Cyrus Kouandjio who I think can fill in if necessary. I have not given up on Seantrel Henderson either. Zay Jones, Andre Holmes can fill those needs at WR. Let's see what Jeremy Butler & Corey Washington & Kolby Listenbee can do. Charles Clay is a very good TE, no question. If Clay were to get injured.....then we have a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 A part of me has to wonder if this has anything to do with buffalo not taking Howard, more so then them looking and seeing who is already at the position for us. A part of me has to wonder if this has anything to do with buffalo not taking Howard, more so then them looking and seeing who is already at the position for us. I feel in hindsight Bills feel they can get by. and likely not going to make the best offer to G B. I was on the Howard bandwagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I'd just as soon trot out a 3rd tackle to play te on most downs than waste putting clay in to only block. And put in an extra wr or Rb when we need to pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 per Bills app: Wood, Groy, Incognito, and Schmidt partied with Barnidge for the Derby, recruited him to come join the Bills; Wood and Barnidge and Wood played for three years and roomed together at Louisville; Wood organized the Derby outing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 per Bills app: Wood, Groy, Incognito, and Schmidt partied with Barnidge for the Derby, recruited him to come join the Bills; Wood and Barnidge and Wood played for three years and roomed together at Louisville; Wood organized the Derby outing I would have much rather been with that crew than Brady's band of boy toys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) Our biggest ahole was fired in January. Edited May 9, 2017 by horned dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 RT? WR2, WR3? I think those three positions are much weaker than a TE position that is headlined by Clay. Sure they drafted guys at RT and WR but Clay (if healthy) is leaps and bounds above rookies who are going to be expected to produce. RT filled with rookie, 2WR filled with Rookie, 3WR filled with who is on roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 RT filled with rookie, 2WR filled with Rookie, 3WR filled with who is on roster. Didn't I cover that in my post? I have much more faith in Clay to produce than I do a rookie RT or a WR. They are penciled in at starter by default from lack of competition. The same could be said for Poyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 per Bills app: Wood, Groy, Incognito, and Schmidt partied with Barnidge for the Derby, recruited him to come join the Bills; Wood and Barnidge and Wood played for three years and roomed together at Louisville; Wood organized the Derby outing Nice! Thanks for sharing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Didn't I cover that in my post? I have much more faith in Clay to produce than I do a rookie RT or a WR. They are penciled in at starter by default from lack of competition. The same could be said for Poyer. Poyer worries me more than either Dawkins and Jones. Would be nice to have flexibility of targets in Watkins, Jones, Holmes, Clay, and Barnidge, not to mention the halfbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Didn't I cover that in my post? I have much more faith in Clay to produce than I do a rookie RT or a WR. They are penciled in at starter by default from lack of competition. The same could be said for Poyer. Clay has been average at best since coming to Buffalo. He looked much quicker when he played for Miami. Hopefully he ramps up his game this year. Dawkins at rt tackle is miles ahead talent wise then Jordan Mills. And Zay Jones will be tremendous. Nothing wrong with counting on rookies to step up. Most teams do that every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 He'll probably be there dressed like twins with Tom Brady and Julien Edelman.lol, nope. He was there with former college roommate Eric Wood, Richie Incognito and several other members of the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) Poyer worries me more than either Dawkins and Jones. Would be nice to have flexibility of targets in Watkins, Jones, Holmes, Clay, and Barnidge, not to mention the halfbacks.I agree, specifically in regards to Jones. Just because he is a rookie doesn't mean that he will struggle. He caught 399 balls in college. Look at the damage that Michael Thomas did as a 2nd round rookie. Edited May 9, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 RT? WR2, WR3? I think those three positions are much weaker than a TE position that is headlined by Clay. Sure they drafted guys at RT and WR but Clay (if healthy) is leaps and bounds above rookies who are going to be expected to produce. You still think WR 2 is an issue after drafting Zay Jones? I strongly disagree. I actually think WR is a strength after Free agency and the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 You still think WR 2 is an issue after drafting Zay Jones? I strongly disagree. I actually think WR is a strength after Free agency and the draft.I think WR is better this year than last. It may end up being a strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Moulds on my A** Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I think WR is better this year than last. It may end up being a strength. Agreed. Looking forward to seeing what Holmes and Listenbee bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I think WR is better this year than last. It may end up being a strength. I agree with this. Zay Jones still has to prove that he can come in and be the bonafied number 2......but I feel like there is not this huge drop off in talent in the receiving core when you get past Sammy and Jay.....you have like 3 guys that have veteran NFL experience that dont suck.....its not a "lets get someone off the couch" scenario like we had last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I think WR is better this year than last. It may end up being a strength. Having players line up that went through the offseason and installation of the offense will be beneficial on it's own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I agree, specifically in regards to Jones. Just because he is a rookie doesn't mean that he will struggle. He caught 399 balls in college. Look at the damage that Michae Thomas did as a 2nd round rookie. Don't disagree but he plays with Drew Brees. Brees blew up a 7th round rookie and a former basketball player. Qb makes a huge difference in receiver's production and it's why I didn't want one in the 1st. I think WR is better this year than last. It may end up being a strength. I hope so but I would expect similar production out of our #2 wr like Woods had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Don't disagree but he plays with Drew Brees. Brees blew up a 7th round rookie and a former basketball player. Qb makes a huge difference in receiver's production and it's why I didn't want one in the 1st. I hope so but I would expect similar production out of our #2 wr like Woods had. I think part of my reasoning for thinking that they have improved (besides Sammy's health) is that I was never a Woods guy. He played hard and was tough but he was limited as a receiver. He was a decent possession guy that really didn't do anything that differentiated him from other receivers (besides block). Jones is more of a playmaker and has superior ball skills. Jones is faster, quicker, stronger and a more explosive athlete. I'm thinking about 800 yards and 6 TDs for Jones & 1,200 yards and 10 TDs for Sammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I think part of my reasoning for thinking that they have improved (besides Sammy's health) is that I was never a Woods guy. He played hard and was tough but he was limited as a receiver. He was a decent possession guy that really didn't do anything that differentiated him from other receivers (besides block). Jones is more of a playmaker and has superior ball skills. Jones is faster, quicker, stronger and a more explosive athlete. I'm thinking about 800 yards and 6 TDs for Jones & 1,200 yards and 10 TDs for Sammy. I hope you're right but I don't see that at all. Woods is a better player than you remember. He got open. So did Hogan. We just aren't a good passing team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I hope you're right but I don't see that at all. Woods is a better player than you remember. He got open. So did Hogan. We just aren't a good passing team. Athletically they don't compare; I just went back through all of the numbers. I wasn't a Woods guy when he was here so this isn't hindsight (I took some heat for it). He averaged 3.5 catches and 43 yards a game in his career. I know that we were a run based offense but there were 72 NFL receivers last year that averaged more than 43 yards a game. I see Jones as closer to 50 yards a game (right around DeVante Parker). He will make the same possession type plays but will be better after the catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I hope you're right but I don't see that at all. Woods is a better player than you remember. He got open. So did Hogan. We just aren't a good passing team. Woods was a strong intermediate route runner but was not quick enough to be a matchup advantage/playmaker on short throws........had poor balance so subesquently almost no RAC........ and was not big/fast/physical/rangy enough to make plays deep........and of course.....he was always nicked up. Woods was not what they expected him to become, he was a decent player but Jones has a much higher ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) Woods was a strong intermediate route runner but was not quick enough to be a matchup advantage/playmaker on short throws........had poor balance so subesquently almost no RAC........ and was not big/fast/physical/rangy enough to make plays deep........and of course.....he was always nicked up. Woods was not what they expected him to become, he was a decent player but Jones has a much higher ceiling. To me this is the real biggie In Zay Jones I see a 1st down machine.....maybe not even a high point scorer....but when its 3rd and 8 and you need a first down to keep a drive going......you throw it at Zay and let him go get it Edited May 9, 2017 by John from Hemet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Athletically they don't compare; I just went back through all of the numbers. I wasn't a Woods guy when he was here so this isn't hindsight (I took some heat for it). He averaged 3.5 catches and 43 yards a game in his career. I know that we were a run based offense but there were 72 NFL receivers last year that averaged more than 43 yards a game. I see Jones as closer to 50 yards a game (right around DeVante Parker). He will make the same possession type plays but will be better after the catch. Fair but Tyrod needs to be much more accurate for YAC. Remember that Chris Hogan had more YAC last year than Sammy has had in the last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Fair but Tyrod needs to be much more accurate for YAC. Remember that Chris Hogan had more YAC last year than Sammy has had in the last 2 years.Certainly but he doesn't need to be that much more accurate for Jones to average another 7 yards a game. Sammy averages a lot more than that now. The reciever's ability will be enough to offset that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Fair but Tyrod needs to be much more accurate for YAC. Remember that Chris Hogan had more YAC last year than Sammy has had in the last 2 years. Oh come on Do we really need to compare Tom Brady to Tyrod Taylor to prove the point? Dont you think that is a little unfair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I would have much rather been Brady's boy toy. fixed that to reflect accuracy. not that there is anythign wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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