Pbomb Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 11 games in 3 seasons* You forgot the season where he played 16 games. of course they did, it always makes a persons argument sound better when you leave out the facts that damage your argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Not a big fan of overpaying other teams free agents to fill so many of those holes because if they are coming to Buffalo as is........they are resigned to losing. Just not a good position to be free agent shopping from. Badol, does the above quote suggest that trading down multiple times is the thing to do? Yes, building a team also involves free agency and trades but imo, the best method will always be to draft the right players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 IF they truly aren't going to keep sammy, don't you think they have to trade him by the end of the week instead of just letting him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Trade value not that good. Might as well play him and see what happens. I don't think they will pick up his option either. Draft someone, play Sammy, and hope it pans out...the Buffalo way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Whats the difference between the franchise tag and the 5th year option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Without being overly dismissive of course they are going to pick up his option. They are going to wait as long as they can to make sure that his rehab stays on schedule and then they will pick up the option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Trade value not that good. Might as well play him and see what happens. I don't think they will pick up his option either. Draft someone, play Sammy, and hope it pans out...the Buffalo way! I think a team 25-32 looking for a WR would offer their 1st round. Hes only 23, they'd pick up the 5th year option. I feel teams around the league know Sammys value. Unfortunately hes in Buffalo with a team being ran by idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I think a team 25-32 looking for a WR would offer their 1st round. Hes only 23, they'd pick up the 5th year option. I feel teams around the league know Sammys value. Unfortunately hes in Buffalo with a team being ran by idiots. So you are saying that other teams recognize his talent but a team that traded an additional 1st round pick to get him doesn't recognize his talent? Got it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 So you are saying that other teams recognize his talent but a team that traded an additional 1st round pick to get him doesn't recognize his talent? Got it That's exactly what I am saying. You don't let players like Watkins leave. If they do, they are showing that they don't value his skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 $13m fully guaranteed for 5th year option but have to decide in next month versus $15.6m franchise tag that you don't have to offer until next year. I'll take door number 2 and see if he can play full season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 That's exactly what I am saying. You don't let players like Watkins leave. If they do, they are showing that they don't value his skills. They aren't going to let him leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffuct Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 how do you not keep him duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 They aren't going to let him leave. I hope you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I hope you're right.They aren't stupid. They wish he were healthier but the same things were said about Julio through 3 years. Sammy has played 3 more games in his 1st 3 years than Julio did in his 1st 3. The Bills will extend the option and hope that he gets healthy. If he does, the long-term deal will be offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Whats the difference between the franchise tag and the 5th year option? For watkins - the 5th year option is the transition tag amount (top 10 pick)... so average of the top 10 at his position. The franchise tag is the average of the top 5, or 120% your previous year salary, whichever is higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I think a team 25-32 looking for a WR would offer their 1st round. Hes only 23, they'd pick up the 5th year option. I feel teams around the league know Sammys value. Unfortunately hes in Buffalo with a team being ran by idiots. Which team is going in that range is hurting at WR and is going to give up a first round pick for a WR that is coming off another surgery because he cant stay healthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 O_o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 They aren't stupid. They wish he were healthier but the same things were said about Julio through 3 years. Sammy has played 3 more games in his 1st 3 years than Julio did in his 1st 3. The Bills will extend the option and hope that he gets healthy. If he does, the long-term deal will be offered. To me this is not even a debate....they will of course pick up his option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Which team is going in that range is hurting at WR and is going to give up a first round pick for a WR that is coming off another surgery because he cant stay healthy?Oh I think a lot of those teams would make that move. The Pats gave 32 for Cooks. He's a nice player but Watkins talent dwarfs his. A bunch of them would take the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 They aren't stupid. They wish he were healthier but the same things were said about Julio through 3 years. Sammy has played 3 more games in his 1st 3 years than Julio did in his 1st 3. The Bills will extend the option and hope that he gets healthy. If he does, the long-term deal will be offered. Thank you, someone else that gets it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Trade value not that good. Might as well play him and see what happens. I don't think they will pick up his option either. Draft someone, play Sammy, and hope it pans out...the Buffalo way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Not picking up the option doesn't mean they plan on letting him walk. Trading him right now would be foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Im just glad someone finally started a thread about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Not picking up the option doesn't mean they plan on letting him walk. Trading him right now would be foolish. No it's not a definite but not picking it up hints at that. I agree its foolish, more of my point was if they're determined to not resign him, they mine as well trade him this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 That's really all we can do. Try to draft Williams or Davis. Pray Sammy can bounce back and produce. If he continues to have injury issues then he'll be done. We could even target Zay Jones in the 2nd round. Any way you slice it we're going to draft a wr in the 1st or 2nd. This will be a final season for Whaley & Watkins to prove us wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 That's really all we can do. Try to draft Williams or Davis. Pray Sammy can bounce back and produce. If he continues to have injury issues then he'll be done. We could even target Zay Jones in the 2nd round. Any way you slice it we're going to draft a wr in the 1st or 2nd. This will be a final season for Whaley & Watkins to prove us wrong. Actually, Watkins will be here this year and next once they pick up the option. I do agree though that they are going to take a WR early. It sure sounds like Corey Davis will end up being the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Actually, Watkins will be here this year and next once they pick up the option. I do agree though that they are going to take a WR early. It sure sounds like Corey Davis will end up being the pick. Wouldn't mind Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Sammy is damaged goods let him walk and draft another WR, this is how the Bills roll. $18 million for someone who never plays is why the Bills never make the playoffs. Headslap emote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Buffalo Bills should pass on Sammy Watkins' fifth-year option http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2017/04/21/salspeak-bills-should-pass-sammy-watkins-fifth-year-option/100736158/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) Actually, Watkins will be here this year and next once they pick up the option. I do agree though that they are going to take a WR early. It sure sounds like Corey Davis will end up being the pick. ....never knew those 2 things you walk on were this complex......kid was just unlucky I guess....anybody think that Goodwin would be healthier than Sammy in 2016?....go figure............ The foot and ankle contain: 26 bones (One-quarter of the bones in the human body are in the feet.); 33 joints; more than 100 muscles, tendons and ligaments (Tendons are fibrous tissues that connect muscles to bones and ligaments are fibrous tissues that connect bones to other bones.); Edited April 22, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 They are re-airing old drafts on nfln. They just showed the Sammy pick. What an exciting night that was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Oh I think a lot of those teams would make that move. The Pats gave 32 for Cooks. He's a nice player but Watkins talent dwarfs his. A bunch of them would take the chance. Having watched every snap of each, Watkins is head and shoulders better. And I like cooks a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Having watched every snap of each, Watkins is head and shoulders better. And I like cooks a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) Amazing that a thread about picking up the option on a player as highly regarded as SW was in that draft, and that the team invested so much in ( a team that has flat out sucked passing the ball in a passing league) has generated about a quarter as many pages of a thread about matching an offer sheet to a backup RB. Edited April 23, 2017 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Amazing that a thread about picking up the option on a player as highly regarded as SW was in that draft, and that the team invested so much in ( a team that has flat out sucked passing the ball in a passing league) has generated about a quarter as many pages of a thread about matching an offer sheet to a backup RB. ...sad but true, isn't it??.....go figure....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) Amazing that a thread about picking up the option on a player as highly regarded as SW was in that draft, and that the team invested so much in ( a team that has flat out sucked passing the ball in a passing league) has generated about a quarter as many pages of a thread about matching an offer sheet to a backup RB.One thread a tender was extended, another offer signed, and there's a window to match and hypotheticals each way to debate -- lots of meat In this thread literally nothing happened and it's still this long. This is "decision not announced yet on decision not yet required" and it still ran up despite 9 out of 10 agreeing on the course of action Edited April 23, 2017 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 This is a complete no brainer. There is no doubt the 5th year needs to be picked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 One thread a tender was extended, another offer signed, and there's a window to match and hypotheticals each way to debate -- lots of meat In this thread literally nothing happened and it's still this long. This is "decision not announced yet on decision not yet required" and it still ran up despite 9 out of 10 agreeing on the course of action There is a window to pick up the option , and that window was less than thirty days away when the thread was started. Plenty of hypotheticals and implications depending on how it plays out. It's a positive that 9 out of ten fans agree on what the team should do. The number of pages on the other thread, and the reality that many will insist the Bills lost regardless of the outcome shows that some just love to B word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 There is a window to pick up the option , and that window was less than thirty days away when the thread was started. Plenty of hypotheticals and implications depending on how it plays out. It's a positive that 9 out of ten fans agree on what the team should do. The number of pages on the other thread, and the reality that many will insist the Bills lost regardless of the outcome shows that some just love to B word. You are aware that the Bills: HAVE SAMMY UNDER CONTRACT for this year and CAN USE THE FRANCHISE TAG to keep him going forward. So this thread is likely just about bookkeeping.......committ to Sammy in 2018 NOW........or let it play out and pay a little bit more later if he's healthy. The consequences of not picking up Sammy's option don't reach critical mass for 1-3 years.....IF EVER. The MG thing, though a less important player, will be resolved TOMORROW and the consequences are about THIS season and next. But hey......let's just bypass 2017 and start having MORE discussion about 2019......a season they have maybe 10 players under contract for at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) You are aware that the Bills: HAVE SAMMY UNDER CONTRACT for this year and CAN USE THE FRANCHISE TAG to keep him going forward. So this thread is likely just about bookkeeping.......committ to Sammy in 2018 NOW........or let it play out and pay a little bit more later if he's healthy. The consequences of not picking up Sammy's option don't reach critical mass for 1-3 years.....IF EVER. The MG thing, though a less important player, will be resolved TOMORROW and the consequences are about THIS season and next. But hey......let's just bypass 2017 and start having MORE discussion about 2019......a season they have maybe 10 players under contract for at this point. .....the option costs you roughly $13 mil....2017 WR tag is $15 mil which would increase in 2018...so the crap shoot is $3 mil, roughly (increasing 2018 WR tag by $1 mil)................ Edited April 23, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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