Are we ramping up to war with North Korea?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I like the Trump madman approach. Keeps NK on their toes. I think our next step should be to blow up Guam ourselves. Then be like, who’s crazy now, Kim?

 

So I guess you enjoy the fireworks display from NK. Wonder how Japan likes it?

[RaoulDuke79]

I like the Trump madman approach. Keeps NK on their toes. I think our next step should be to blow up Guam ourselves. Then be like, whos crazy now, Kim?

Hahaha....like the dude in The Usual Suspects who shot his own family so the bad guys couldn't....i gotta start playing Fallout 4 again in between working on my bolt gun.

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

How do you think China will handle the N Korea problem ?

It's tough to say, but they can't ignore the growing pressures being placed on them by the rogue state.

 

As much as China doesn't want a pro-western democracy on their border, which was the purpose of propping up the DPRK in the first place, it can't abide a situation where it has an openly hostile nuclear state run by a lunatic wielding absolute power who is antagonizing other world powers on it's border either.

 

China will deal with the situation they've created, or if they abrogate that responsibility, the United States, S. Korea, and Japan will, and the outcome will not be pro-China.

 

So China can choose a pro-China solution, or a pro-West solution. Either way, they'll be forced to choose.

[DC Tom]

 

Susan Rice tells Trump to learn to "tolerate" a nuclear North Korea http://washex.am/2vIpB8K......

 

 

 

Susan has forgotten what her boss said less than a year ago.

 

 

 

 

President Obama, Sept 2016: "To be clear, the United States does not, and never will, accept North Korea as a nuclear state"

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-on-north-koreas-nuclear-test-2016-9 …

 

Susan Rice is a !@#$ing dingbat and a half.

I like the Trump madman approach. Keeps NK on their toes. I think our next step should be to blow up Guam ourselves. Then be like, who’s crazy now, Kim?

 

No one's threatening to blow up Guam. Even Kim Jong Un hasn't threatened to blow up Guam. He's threatened to launch missiles near Guam. He's threatening to blow up fish.

 

This the most drool-infused international stand-off in world history.

It's tough to say, but they can't ignore the growing pressures being placed on them by the rogue state.

 

As much as China doesn't want a pro-western democracy on their border, which was the purpose of propping up the DPRK in the first place, it can't abide a situation where it has an openly hostile nuclear state run by a lunatic wielding absolute power who is antagonizing other world powers on it's border either.

 

China will deal with the situation they've created, or if they abrogate that responsibility, the United States, S. Korea, and Japan will, and the outcome will not be pro-China.

 

So China can choose a pro-China solution, or a pro-West solution. Either way, they'll be forced to choose.

 

Plus, it does them no good to have a crazy neighbor/client state running around threatening all the Pacific Rim countries they have increasingly strong economic ties with. I.e. it is of absolutely no benefit to China to have North Korea posing such a threat to Japan that Japan rearms itself (which is already being discussed in the Diet.)

[ALF]

It's tough to say, but they can't ignore the growing pressures being placed on them by the rogue state.

 

As much as China doesn't want a pro-western democracy on their border, which was the purpose of propping up the DPRK in the first place, it can't abide a situation where it has an openly hostile nuclear state run by a lunatic wielding absolute power who is antagonizing other world powers on it's border either.

 

China will deal with the situation they've created, or if they abrogate that responsibility, the United States, S. Korea, and Japan will, and the outcome will not be pro-China.

 

So China can choose a pro-China solution, or a pro-West solution. Either way, they'll be forced to choose.

 

Agree , good answer

[Tiberius]

Stock market was jittery today

[reddogblitz]

Susan Rice is a !@#$ing dingbat and a half.

 

No one's threatening to blow up Guam. Even Kim Jong Un hasn't threatened to blow up Guam. He's threatened to launch missiles near Guam. He's threatening to blow up fish.

 

This the most drool-infused international stand-off in world history since Gulf War II.

 

Fixed.

 

And just as much BS.

Edited August 10, 2017 by reddogblitz

[DC Tom]

Fixed.

 

And just as much BS.

 

I did consider that. But I ultimately decided that this standoff is much, much stupider. There were at least sound, rational arguments to be had for invading Iraq (the Bush administration didn't make them, and I didn't agree with them. But they did exist.)

 

This is just a pissing contest between two overgrown children so insecure that they probably would both cheat at Chutes and Ladders rather than lose to a six year old, and see nothing wrong with it.

[Tiberius]

I did consider that. But I ultimately decided that this standoff is much, much stupider. There were at least sound, rational arguments to be had for invading Iraq (the Bush administration didn't make them, and I didn't agree with them. But they did exist.)

 

This is just a pissing contest between two overgrown children so insecure that they probably would both cheat at Chutes and Ladders rather than lose to a six year old, and see nothing wrong with it.

 

It's time for Congress to consider removing Trump

 

 

 

25th Amendment

 

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

 

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.[3]

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

I did consider that. But I ultimately decided that this standoff is much, much stupider. There were at least sound, rational arguments to be had for invading Iraq (the Bush administration didn't make them, and I DIDN'T AGREE WITH THEM. But they did exist.)

 

Of course they existed and you agreed with them.

 

You can say anything you want now. Nice revisionism. Fool the people who weren't here.

 

Baloney... Liar. If only the old board still existed and wasn't nuked (hey kind of on topic). You were banging the drums of war with the rest of them in late 2002 as the country ramped up to war in 2003.

 

I first joined here in 12/2002. I was the one calling Saddam Hussein a "paper tiger"... Of course the usual conservative suspects wanted to run me out on a rail.

 

They still haven't... I said I would always stick around to remind you idiots of your stupidity and foolishness.

[DC Tom]

Of course they existed and you agreed with them.

 

You can say anything you want now. Nice revisionism. Fool the people who weren't here.

 

Baloney... Liar. If only the old board still existed and wasn't nuked (hey kind of on topic). You were banging the drums of war with the rest of them in late 2002 as the country ramped up to war in 2003.

 

I first joined here in 12/2002. I was the one calling Saddam Hussein a "paper tiger"... Of course the usual conservative suspects wanted to run me out on a rail.

 

They still haven't... I said I would always stick around to remind you idiots of your stupidity and foolishness.

 

No I was not. I was very consistent in that regard: in the absence of international agreement or an immediate and direct threat the use of force was immoral, and that you shouldn't dive in to wars that you can realistically avoid.

 

You're just confused because I don't buy the "Bush lied" bull **** people like you shovel, and was actually for the occupation (on the moral grounds of - at the risk of oversimplifying - "You break it, you fix it.")

[/dev/null]

It's time for Congress to consider removing Trump

 

 

 

25th Amendment

If we had applied the 25th Amendment to PPP you would have been gone long ago

[Tiberius]

If we had applied the 25th Amendment to PPP you would have been gone long ago

We did a poll, remember?

[outsidethebox]

It's time for Congress to consider removing Trump

 

 

 

25th Amendment

 

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

 

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.[3]

Give it up already.

[4merper4mer]

It's tough to say, but they can't ignore the growing pressures being placed on them by the rogue state.

 

As much as China doesn't want a pro-western democracy on their border, which was the purpose of propping up the DPRK in the first place, it can't abide a situation where it has an openly hostile nuclear state run by a lunatic wielding absolute power who is antagonizing other world powers on it's border either.

 

China will deal with the situation they've created, or if they abrogate that responsibility, the United States, S. Korea, and Japan will, and the outcome will not be pro-China.

 

So China can choose a pro-China solution, or a pro-West solution. Either way, they'll be forced to choose.

In your humble opinion would China, with a wink from Seoul, Tokyo and DC, annexing NK be a viable solution? Edited August 11, 2017 by 4merper4mer

[Doc Brown]

 

No I was not. I was very consistent in that regard: in the absence of international agreement or an immediate and direct threat the use of force was immoral, and that you shouldn't dive in to wars that you can realistically avoid.

 

You're just confused because I don't buy the "Bush lied" bull **** people like you shovel, and was actually for the occupation (on the moral grounds of - at the risk of oversimplifying - "You break it, you fix it.")

I agree, but feel the same about the "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" statement by Obama. Most on here don't. There's a difference between outright lies (see Clapper on surveillance) and stating something as a fact you believe will come true based off the available evidence you have.

Edited August 11, 2017 by Doc Brown

[TakeYouToTasker]

!@#$ me. Can people please stop quoting that idiot?

 

No one needs another discussion about the 25th Amendment.

[reddogblitz]

It's time for Congress to consider removing Trump

25th Amendment

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.[3]

Pence would be worse.

[ALF]

China pledges neutrality - unless US strikes North Korea first

China’s government says it would remain neutral if North Korea attacks the United States, but warned it would defend its Asian neighbor if the U.S. strikes first and tries to overthrow Kim Jong Un’s regime, Chinese state media said Friday.

“If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime, and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so,” reported the Global Times, a daily Chinese newspaper controlled by the Communist Party.

http://www.foxnews.c...orea-first.html

That does not help at all. It just empowers N Korea even more to continue short of attacking another country.

Why would N Korea need nukes or missiles if China guarantees no regime change and defend against a first strike. They could thrive without sanctions.

Edited August 11, 2017 by ALF

[Nanker]

This the most drool-infused international stand-off in world history.

Fixed.

And just as much BS.

 

 

 

I did consider that. But I ultimately decided that this standoff is much, much stupider. There were at least sound, rational arguments to be had for invading Iraq (the Bush administration didn't make them, and I didn't agree with them. But they did exist.)

 

This is just a pissing contest between two overgrown children so insecure that they probably would both cheat at Chutes and Ladders rather than lose to a six year old, and see nothing wrong with it.

Yeah, I'd go with "since Gulf War II". This is perhaps the winner of "in the history of the world."

[snafu]

In your humble opinion would China, with a wink from Seoul, Tokyo and DC, annexing NK be a viable solution?

I think China is salivating to move south in the most peaceful way possible. None of those countries would give them that wink, and the only country who will inadvertently give them an opening is the US. Someone is going to use a Trump comment as the impetus for China to move south. They and NKorea have strange ways of describing what's an "attack" on their sovereignty.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Locked and Loaded!!!!!

[Buftex]

Pence would be worse.

I don't like either man, but I see this all the time...Pence would not be worse. I don't agree with his politics, but as far as I can tell, he is not insane. The Trvmp act isn't cute anymore...

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

No I was not. I was very consistent in that regard: in the absence of international agreement or an immediate and direct threat the use of force was immoral, and that you shouldn't dive in to wars that you can realistically avoid.

 

You're just confused because I don't buy the "Bush lied" bull **** people like you shovel, and was actually for the occupation (on the moral grounds of - at the risk of oversimplifying - "You break it, you fix it.")

"You can say anything you want now." Quoted by me above.

 

And the second paragraph was and actually is my argument. We broke it, we need to fix it.

 

I think you forget, I joined the board when a poster could remain anonymous. I caused a firestorm here while you were on sabbatical/vacation or whereever. The usual suspects here were going crazy without their fearless leader (you) to throw the insults.

[DC Tom]

"You can say anything you want now." Quoted by me above.

 

And the second paragraph was and actually is my argument. We broke it, we need to fix it.

 

I think you forget, I joined the board when a poster could remain anonymous. I caused a firestorm here while you were on sabbatical/vacation or whereever. The usual suspects here were going crazy without their fearless leader (you) to throw the insults.

 

Of course, I don't need to say anything I want. I can just say exactly what I've been saying for 15 years, since I'm not the least bit ashamed of it.

[BillsFan4]

Scary stuff. 2 freaking lunatics in a pissing match...

[B-Man]

Trump full answer on North Korea

 

 

[Doc Brown]

Trump full answer on North Korea

 

 

I may have misunderestimated Trump.

[TakeYouToTasker]

Scary stuff. 2 freaking lunatics in a pissing match...

Oh, I don't know. I don't think Tom and Exiled are all that scary.

[DC Tom]

Oh, I don't know. I don't think Tom and Exiled are all that scary.

 

I know how to make nuclear weapons.

 

And EII knows...well, fish.

[grinreaper]

I know how to make nuclear weapons.

 

And EII knows...well, fish.

EII knows crap, er carp.

[Koko78]

EII knows crap, er carp.

 

But is he colluding with the Asian Carp?

[grinreaper]

But is he colluding with the Asian Carp?

I don't know about any collusion, but they do post for him here.

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

But is he colluding with the Asian Carp?

Yes.

 

When they ring the small boat buzzer, I let them pass through.

[Joe Miner]

Yes.

 

When they ring the small boat buzzer, I let them pass through.

That's some kind of sexual innuendo isn't it?

[/dev/null]

I may have misunderestimated Trump.

Many people have

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Barron Trump, Mike Pence, and their IT guy begin attack on North Korea.

[Azalin]

 

 

Barron Trump, Mike Pence, and their IT guy begin attack on North Korea.

 

[Chef Jim]

And their IT guy. Now that's some funny ****.