Are we ramping up to war with North Korea?

[B-Man]

[grinreaper]

 

 

 

The only modern military friendly work that I recall Tom Hanks doing was that show where he dressed up like a woman to qualify for public housing denied by greedy capitalists

Well he did save Private Ryan, who turned out to be a douche, even after all that self reflection. I guess he made up for that by being such a good friend to Wilson.

[B-Man]

Well he did save Private Ryan, who turned out to be a douche, even after all that self reflection.

 

I guess he made up for that by being such a good friend to Wilson.

 

 

No......................he squandered that by making John Coffey walk the Green Mile.

[grinreaper]

 

 

No......................he squandered that by making John Coffey walk the Green Mile.

And then he made up for it by winning a war with Russia the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and jumping into a volcano to insure that the natives had a supply of orange soda.

[RaoulDuke79]

Where the hell is Rodman when you need him?

[Deranged Rhino]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-idUSKBN17Q06N

[Foxx]

seems N.Korea fired a ballistic missile.

[DC Tom]

seems N.Korea fired a ballistic missile.

 

Failed to fire a ballistic missile.

 

First thing I asked, when I saw the news, was "Did it work this time?" No...it did not. DPRK ballistic missiles are so unreliable, they're arguably a bigger threat to the DPRK than anyone else.

[row_33]

But but but but.... ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL those experts on TV telling us he has an arsenal that could blow up the world 60 times over easily....

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Failed to fire a ballistic missile.

 

First thing I asked, when I saw the news, was "Did it work this time?" No...it did not. DPRK ballistic missiles are so unreliable, they're arguably a bigger threat to the DPRK than anyone else.

 

Failed... or taken down.

 

There are a lot of assets in position to make that happen, most in LEO from what I hear.

[snafu]

Failed... or taken down.

 

There are a lot of assets in position to make that happen, most in LEO from what I hear.

Taken down by the US or by China?

[DC Tom]

 

Failed... or taken down.

 

There are a lot of assets in position to make that happen, most in LEO from what I hear.

 

Just because Giorgio says it doesn't make it true.

 

(There's physics-based reasons why it wasn't likely intercepted from LEO.)

[/dev/null]

I had a humorous discussion with a rabid Anti-Trumper in which the topic of sending a carrier to the region was discussed

 

Apparently US warships have never been sent into war zones and American ship Captains should refuse orders into war zones. I suggested that USN Captains who don't steer their vessel into a war zone are both derelict of duty and unpopular with the crew. She mumbled something about Trump and right wingers so I asked how many pollywogs or shellbacks she knew.

 

I got a vacant stare so I asked how many vets with Korean War decorations she knew? Well silly, the Korean War ended 60 years ago!

[sherpa]

I had a humorous discussion with a rabid Anti-Trumper in which the topic of sending a carrier to the region was discussed

 

Apparently US warships have never been sent into war zones and American ship Captains should refuse orders into war zones. I suggested that USN Captains who don't steer their vessel into a war zone are both derelict of duty and unpopular with the crew. She mumbled something about Trump and right wingers so I asked how many pollywogs or shellbacks she knew.

 

I got a vacant stare so I asked how many vets with Korean War decorations she knew? Well silly, the Korean War ended 60 years ago!

 

A US Navy captain who "refused" orders would be relieved in a nanosecond.

The ability to rapidly respond to situations across the globe is the only real reason for the existence of aircraft carriers, and their strike forces.

 

Trusty Shellback, having achieved that during just such an incident.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Just because Giorgio says it doesn't make it true.

 

(There's physics-based reasons why it wasn't likely intercepted from LEO.)

 

These are Coronado guys. But they also know I'm gullible and do enjoy messing with me.

Taken down by the US or by China?

 

Good call, it could easily be them.

 

Or it was a failure - not saying one way or the other, just speculating (for clarity).

[Azalin]

Or it was a failure - not saying one way or the other, just speculating (for clarity).

 

I'm guessing it was failure. You know, good old-fashioned totalitarian communist, socialist, let's have a parade with endless columns of missiles in tow that don't actually fly but for an odd mile or two in a random direction and then fizzle out in the sea of Japan, but our military parade will look extremely impressive to the pathetic thralls that are our citizens.

 

Hopefully it's going to be China that gives Un the international-level B word slap that he has coming.

[Nanker]

Again, I think they're foolish to have parades and show-off demos of their arsenals because they concentrate those assets and their command structure into very small positions that could be relatively easy to target with cruise missles and other ordinance. POOF!!! Up goes your military Mr. Kim. So solly challie. You big-a-ass-a-hole you.

[/dev/null]

Hopefully it's going to be China that gives Un the international-level B word slap that he has coming.

I think it's China that keeps Kim propped up.

 

For all their intricacies, North Korea is a stable regime. If the Kim regime should collapse China will have either an unknown and possibly unstable nuclear armed neighbor, or face the prospect of a unified Korean neighbor that is both nuclear armed and aligned to the West

[B-Man]

Reuters Top News

✔@Reuters

BREAKING: South Korea military confirms launch of one ballistic missile by North Korea appears to have failed

5:23 PM - 28 Apr 2017

 

Can't get it up...............again.

 

 

 

Perhaps we should show him how.......

[Deranged Rhino]

I think it's China that keeps Kim propped up.

 

For all their intricacies, North Korea is a stable regime. If the Kim regime should collapse China will have either an unknown and possibly unstable nuclear armed neighbor, or face the prospect of a unified Korean neighbor that is both nuclear armed and aligned to the West

 

Not to mention the millions of refugees that will pour over their border. China can't afford that kind of influx.

[yall]

I had no problem getting it up when I was in Korea.

[row_33]

 

Can't get it up...............again.

 

 

 

Perhaps we should show him how.......

 

 

The world-threatening missiles are hiding with the intelligence report of Putin manipulating the US Election, both with Geraldo in Al Capone's vault.

[snafu]

I think it's China that keeps Kim propped up.

 

For all their intricacies, North Korea is a stable regime. If the Kim regime should collapse China will have either an unknown and possibly unstable nuclear armed neighbor, or face the prospect of a unified Korean neighbor that is both nuclear armed and aligned to the West

I'm not sure what the standard of living for the masses in the North is, but if reports are accurate, I think "stable" and "subsistence level" are probably interchangeable. Ever notice that you almost never see photos of regular N Koreans? Mainly you only see their relatively better-fed military. Best case scenario was (a long time ago) to have done our damndest to pry open the hermetically sealed information dome that the regime places over their people and give them a little sunlight and vision of what the rest of the world lives like. Either that ship sailed, or it is completely impossible to inform people on a basic level what their lives are live vs. what their lives should be like.

 

I doubt the South could handle unification without major aid. I think China would have a really hard time dealing with a collapsed North, too. I think the silver lining in this recent conflict is the fact that what to do with the North can't be solved without China's involvement without millions losing their lives -- and that's what will drive everyone to tamp down the flames. I can't believe I'm saying it, but too bad the UN sucks so badly. Some effective overarching institution could actually be helpful.

 

Edit:

Either all that drivel, OR

China is actually driving all this conflict and can shut it down when the see fit. Their motivation is to get the West to keep the economic stability and to make sure they're not labeled "currency manipulators".

Edited April 29, 2017 by snafu

[DC Tom]

I'm not sure what the standard of living for the masses in the North is, but if reports are accurate, I think "stable" and "subsistence level" are probably interchangeable. Ever notice that you almost never see photos of regular N Koreans? Mainly you only see their relatively better-fed military.

 

Something like 25% of the country is under arms. "Regular N. Koreans" are the military, pretty much.

[snafu]

Something like 25% of the country is under arms. "Regular N. Koreans" are the military, pretty much.

Probably the only way to get a decent meal, if reports are true.

[/dev/null]

 

Something like 25% of the country is under arms. "Regular N. Koreans" are the military, pretty much.

And the rest are children, the elderly, or in slave labor camps

[DC Tom]

Probably the only way to get a decent meal, if reports are true.

 

That, or have kids.

[row_33]

Has to be some NK reasonable individuals in contact with outer powers who are set to take over peaceably, or give it a go.

 

Nothing is sacrosanct from moles or leaks.

[reddogblitz]

Again, I think they're foolish to have parades and show-off demos of their arsenals because they concentrate those assets and their command structure into very small positions that could be relatively easy to target with cruise missles and other ordinance. POOF!!! Up goes your military Mr. Kim. So solly challie. You big-a-ass-a-hole you.

Then what?

 

As I recall, Sadham and Al Quesadilla in Afghanistan were easy to beat too. My memory is a little foggy after 15 years though.

[DC Tom]

Has to be some NK reasonable individuals in contact with outer powers who are set to take over peaceably, or give it a go.

 

It's quite likely there aren't, given that such people tend to have very short life spans.

[Foxx]

Has to be some NK reasonable individuals in contact with outer powers who are set to take over peaceably, or give it a go.

 

Nothing is sacrosanct from moles or leaks.

the world needs a bogeyman for what is coming down the pike. don't be fooled, watch what the other hand is doing.

[DC Tom]

Then what?

 

As I recall, Sadham and Al Quesadilla in Afghanistan were easy to beat too. My memory is a little foggy after 15 years though.

 

DPRK's a completely different situation, though. It's worse. DPRK's so insular, even Afghanistan is cosmopolitan in comparison. And after three generations of being controlled by the Kims, there's little sense of independence that you'd see in Afghan tribes or Iraqi minority cultures.

[row_33]

the world needs a bogeyman for what is coming down the pike. don't be fooled, watch what the other hand is doing.

 

Germany had enough generals going through the motions of "this is so over a year ago" just waiting for an assassination or the end of it

 

Many were smart enough to surrender to the US/UK side

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All I know is that lefties and libs will whine and cry over whatever happens.

 

They will set up a million straw men and then pretend they never did when they don't pan out.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Germany had enough generals going through the motions of "this is so over a year ago" just waiting for an assassination or the end of it

 

Many were smart enough to surrender to the US/UK side

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All I know is that lefties and libs will whine and cry over whatever happens.

 

They will set up a million straw men and then pretend they never did when they don't pan out.

 

Surrender? Nah. Most were recruited, paid, and brought in to run the burgeoning American intelligence apparatus in Europe - war crimes be damned.

[DC Tom]

 

Surrender? Nah. Most were recruited, paid, and brought in to run the burgeoning American intelligence apparatus in Europe - war crimes be damned.

 

Yes. Mostly, after they surrendered.

[row_33]

 

Surrender? Nah. Most were recruited, paid, and brought in to run the burgeoning American intelligence apparatus in Europe - war crimes be damned.

 

From the Soviet side it makes perfect sense.

 

Wouldn't doubt that the US got to a few important people to try and make it end a lot quicker.

 

The US distinguished between those in the army and air force who did what duty commanded, and then some to a point, versus those in other organizations that were total evil.

 

Yes. Mostly, after they surrendered.

 

The US space program grabbed better scientists than the USSR.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

From the Soviet side it makes perfect sense.

 

Wouldn't doubt that the US got to a few important people to try and make it end a lot quicker.

 

The US distinguished between those in the army and air force who did what duty commanded, and then some to a point, versus those in other organizations that were total evil.

 

 

The bolded is false. The US officially said they were distinguishing between ardent Nazis and "political" Nazis, but that was a lie as has been proven with multiple FOIA releases. They actively scrubbed records and employed, paid, protected (from the Soviets and Mossad), and turned the keys of their entire European intelligence apparatus over to men who were the planners and executioners of the extermination campaigns along the eastern front.

 

The BND was quite literally started and run by one such Nazi - who prior to its formation, ran the entire European intelligence apparatus for CIA.

Edited April 30, 2017 by Deranged Rhino

[DC Tom]

 

The bolded is false. The US officially said they were distinguishing between ardent Nazis and "political" Nazis, but that was a lie as has been proven with multiple FOIA releases. They actively scrubbed records and employed, paid, protected (from the Soviets and Mossad), and turned the keys of their entire European intelligence apparatus over to men who were the planners and executioners of the extermination campaigns along the eastern front.

 

The BND was quite literally started and run by one such Nazi - who prior to its formation, ran the entire European intelligence apparatus for CIA.

 

More to the point, it was completely impossible to distinguish between "those who did what duty commanded," and those who "were total evil." Particularly on the Eastern Front, where all these organizations were interrelated at some level. Your example, for instance: Gehlen was not an architect of the Holocaust, but he ran FHO, which gave him an operational relationship with the Sicherheitsdienst and the Bandenkampfverbanden, the latter of which was "anti-partisan" and may or may not have included anti-Jewish operations, depending on the situation, and included forces from all over the German bureaucracy and military (e.g. various police organizations, ersatz units, army combat units, Waffen SS, Toetenkopfverbande, Luwftwaffe ground units, the Reichsbahn, various other sundry organizations.)

 

The point being that Nazi German organization was so byzantine that aside from a handful of high-level officials (Himmler, Bach-Zelewski, Frank, Globocnik, Eichmann, Ohlendorf, Heydrich, etc.) making a definitive statement that someone is an "architect" of the extermination campaign is falsely deterministic. If a senior officer of the Orpo (uniformed police), hence part of the SD, who was seconded to the SS Polizei division and assigned to anti-partisan operations in Minsk alongside a Reichsbahn unit that had just shipped Jews to Maidanek, is he a planner and executioner of the extermination campaigns?

[ALF]

South Korea said Sunday the U.S. reaffirmed it would pay for the deployment of the THAAD anti-missile system, days after President Trump said Seoul should pay for the near $1 billion-battery.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/30/mcmaster-assures-south-korea-us-will-pay-for-thaad-anti-missile-system-seoul-says.html

[row_33]

 

The bolded is false. The US officially said they were distinguishing between ardent Nazis and "political" Nazis, but that was a lie as has been proven with multiple FOIA releases. They actively scrubbed records and employed, paid, protected (from the Soviets and Mossad), and turned the keys of their entire European intelligence apparatus over to men who were the planners and executioners of the extermination campaigns along the eastern front.

 

The BND was quite literally started and run by one such Nazi - who prior to its formation, ran the entire European intelligence apparatus for CIA.

 

When you get on an elevator and a kind old lady says "good morning"...

 

do you snarl and yell WHAT THE !@#$ IS GOOD ABOUT IT!!!!!

Must be total pure hell with a know-it-all like you. What do you do for a living?