BringBackFergy Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 For those of you following Tim Graham on Twitter...is anyone calling him out as a pyromaniacal hack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 He probably didn't inform let alone consult Don Purdy, Director of Football Administration and Kevin Meganck, Director of Football Operations. Â He went fullwhaley on them and they're pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I don't find it that hard to believe that Rex would have rather kept Fred than that nameless guy who fumbles. Â That nameless guy who fumbles hasn't made the final 53 yet. I hope he didn't ring up a realtor and buy a house at the FredEx news and all the spin about Whaley's ego requiring that he be kept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 For those of you following Tim Graham on Twitter...is anyone calling him out as a pyromaniacal hack? Â I basically have. He muted me last night after I told him he was like a Chatty Cathy Doll that pulls her own string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Â I basically have. He muted me last night after I told him he was like a Chatty Cathy Doll that pulls her own string. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Tim Graham did what he has a history of doing. The fact that so many posters were so willing to be led down that path is amazing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) For those of you following Tim Graham on Twitter...is anyone calling him out as a pyromaniacal hack? Â I don't follow him because he's a miserable jerk but there are loads of people tweeting him the definition of the word rogue. Edited September 2, 2015 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I don't think Whaley acted unilaterally. This would be easy to understand if it wasn't Fred. One of the great underdogs of all time. Even the Bills kept trying to count him out. The first memory I have of Fred is a game against the Dolphins in Miami, he had a run where he carried what looked like the entire D about five yards. Â So who is our number two back now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Ha ha, we weren't allowed to use players in our marketing because the one year we had to re-do all of the in stadium stuff and leave the antiquated stuff printed at the beginning of he season (promos, tickets, etc..). It was a disaster and the owner was PISSED (Shinn). It is a factor. I don't think that a decision is ever made based on that no but it is something that both sides should have been aware of. Take it as a lesson learned. And that is the point. Nobody likes surprises, especially those caused by coworkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Â Â Â 27 pages only to get this admission? TG is walking back the 'rouge' angle even as we speak... Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 The whole Fred thing, whatever the truth of the details, has dampened my enthusiasm for opening day. Â Until now, Whaley was my favorite GM since the SB years. Cutting Fred the way he did will be a permanent blight on his record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 TG is walking back the 'rouge' angle even as we speak... Â Has anyone given him permission to do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 went rogue? It's his job. He has control over the 53. Â Â I guess I am not understanding the "went rogue" part... Rex has input, but Whaley makes final call on the 53. pegula said ok. I don't see the issue. Â Some head coaches have control over the 53, Rex is not one of them. Â If Rex and Roman want Freddie on the team, and whaley cuts them, I would consider that 'going rogue' Â The coaches and FO and scouts all put in their 2 cents with regard to the roster. If there was any type of consensus that Freddie was going to make the team, and Whaley cut him behind everyone's back, that would be going rogue too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 The whole Fred thing, whatever the truth of the details, has dampened my enthusiasm for opening day. Â Until now, Whaley was my favorite GM since the SB years. Cutting Fred the way he did will be a permanent blight on his record. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 "@ByTimGraham: He deviated from the wishes of football ops and made the decision without any heads up. https://t.co/QJSbbUMTev" Â Confirmation (as if it were still needed) that Whaley's unilateral decision to cut Fred was not a football decision, but a personal crusade. Very cowardly for a GM to cut players, especially such a prominent one, secretly against the wishes of the coach. Â Sleazy overstepping like this makes one wonder if Marrone's decision to walk wasn't as unwarrented as it seemed. Â 1. I have no idea what Tim Graham means by "football ops" much the same way I had no idea what he meant by the word "rogue." Tim Graham needs to learn how to express himself clearly. Â 2. How can Whaley deviate from "football ops" when he HEADS "football ops" Â 3. How did Whaley make a unilateral decision when it's been noted he did in fact consult with ownership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 ...you'll catch on... Â Â Calling Fred Jackson a "locker room cheerleader" is about the dumbest thing I've read about this whole ordeal. Â I think you should take this opportunity to recant your statement. Â C'mon man. (Not common man.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I agree with all of that. It is just a learning experience for all involved. Moving forward I am sure that the sponsor and marketing departments will be a little more cautious when putting this stuff together. As an example Watkins will almost certainly be here for a little while. There is a SMALL chance that Mario won't. Just be careful on the front end... Kirby, maybe I missed it but what are you suggesting that Whaley should have done? Inform the sponsors of the move before he told Fred? Before he informed the league? I'm just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Â I think there is a bit of confusion, that comment about Firing Whaley and rehiring FJ wasn't serious. It was a hypothetical to the situation of a GM going rogue and doing things without informing the owner. I don't actually believe Whaley went rogue. next time you might just say what you mean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Wait, did Whaley consult this guy? #rogue #analyticsareimportanttoo  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 doesn't football ops report to Whaley? He can deviate from their "wishes" all he wants. Yeah, TG's just embarrassing himself and the Snooze now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 next time you might just say what you mean... Â I thought I was being pretty clear, apparently not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 The whole Fred thing, whatever the truth of the details, has dampened my enthusiasm for opening day. Â Until now, Whaley was my favorite GM since the SB years. Cutting Fred the way he did will be a permanent blight on his record. Â Define "the way he did." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Â And let's not forget that Whaley got up on Monday and delivered quite a performance at the press conference. If what Fred is saying is correct, Whaley felt inclined to appear saddened over the decision, yet knew all along what he wanted to do. I guess if this football thing doesn't work out he can try some casting calls in Hollywood. Â Â Come on, man, you already know Whaley is just doing Rex's bidding -- it's what you've pontificated for months. Define "the way he did." Â You know, with words and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Â Â Â If Rex and Roman want Freddie on the team, and whaley cuts them, I would consider that 'going rogue' Â The coaches and FO and scouts all put in their 2 cents with regard to the roster. If there was any type of consensus that Freddie was going to make the team, and Whaley cut him behind everyone's back, that would be going rogue too I actually don't agree. Someone needs to make the final call where there is disagreement, and that person is Whaley. Since Rex and Whaley were the ones to sit down and tell Fred, it was not as if he went behind anyone's back either. Â Graham has since clarified that it wasn't the coaching staff that was not involved. It was football ops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I agree with all of that. It is just a learning experience for all involved. Moving forward I am sure that the sponsor and marketing departments will be a little more cautious when putting this stuff together. As an example Watkins will almost certainly be here for a little while. There is a SMALL chance that Mario won't. Just be careful on the front end... And if there are rumors in March of a player being cut, stay away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I was rogue all day yesterday, making decisions, keeping people in the loop - it was awful... Â Â I actually have it on good accord that JJ Abrams is basing the new Star Wars on Doug Whaley!! Â did you fire the guy that was the face of your company through its darkest times and was still productive, yesterday? very admirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Â Other than for what happened to her husband, Mrs. Lincoln enjoyed what was the greatest night out ever experienced by a First Lady... Â If you're seriously comparing the Lincoln assassination to the oldest running back in the league meeting the Turk during roster cutdowns, you need to get a grip here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) did you fire the guy that was the face of your company through its darkest times and was still productive, yesterday? very admirable. It happens every day at my company that high salaried employees who are replaceable with lower salaries employees are laid off. Longtime production and many awards later. Thank you for your service, it is time to move on. Edited September 2, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I actually don't agree. Someone needs to make the final call where there is disagreement, and that person is Whaley. Since Rex and Whaley were the ones to sit down and tell Fred, it was not as if he went behind anyone's back either. Â Graham has since clarified that it wasn't the coaching staff that was not involved. It was football ops. maybe I'm just slow, but I still need clarity on what TG considers "football ops." Is Rex aware of this football ops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Cutting Fred the way he did will be a permanent blight on his record. How exactly should he have released him? Â Waited until the next cutdown day on Saturday? When he would have had less of an opportunity to catch on with a contender like Seattle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 And if there are rumors in March of a player being cut, stay away! Fred has been the spokesperson for M&T for many years. It isn't like they decided in 2015, let's hire Fred Jackson! He has a year left on his contract and is 34! But I agree, don't launch a new campaign this year 4 days before final cuts. Wait until next week. They didn't do that, so now just shoot a new commercial with Jack Eichel or Sammy Watkins or LeSean McCoy and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Â 1. I have no idea what Tim Graham means by "football ops" much the same way I had no idea what he meant by the word "rogue." Tim Graham needs to learn how to express himself clearly. Â 2. How can Whaley deviate from "football ops" when he HEADS "football ops" Â 3. How did Whaley make a unilateral decision when it's been noted he did in fact consult with ownership? The logical guess is that football ops is Russ Brandon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 did you fire the guy that was the face of your company through its darkest times and was still productive, yesterday? very admirable. Fortunately I'm that guy at my company, so no... Â Â Leo jumping in (to the original "gone rogue" post): Â Â Leo Roth @leoroth Loose lips...ghost of Marrone...same dysfunction, different year ... Grrrrrrrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) The logical guess is that football ops is Russ Brandon. No.... he isn't. He is Managing Partner and President. Football Operations are these folks: David Wheat Chief Administrative Officer Scott Berchtold Sr. VP of Communications Marc Honan Sr. VP of Media & Content Jim Overdorf Sr. VP of Football Administration Gregg Brandon General Counsel Dan Evans VP of Information Technology Gretchen Geitter VP of Community Relations Andy Major VP Operations and Guest Experience Erica Muhleman VP Corporate Partnerships Bill Munson VP of Government Relations and External Affairs  Tying it all together, M&T called and b*tched at one of them for not giving them a heads up and the Ops dept feel Whaley made them look bad. Edited September 2, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Yep bosses are always honest! Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Guy on the Bench Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) The logical guess is that football ops is Russ Brandon. That's the only thing that makes sense to me, too. Â If Brandon is leaking his unhappiness about this to Graham, seriously bad move (on Brandon's part). But it could also be a lower level employee who heard Brandon venting and then leaked to Graham. Who knows? Â If Brandon is not the one who is upset, and the coaching stuff was on board, then who the hell are we talking about? Â I really hope that football ops ARE Whaley and Ryan and this is wordplay nonsense. Â (Edit: Yolo's theory below about all the other people with ops responsibilities (e.g., marketing, contracts) - not overall ops oversight - does make sense too.) Edited September 2, 2015 by Last Guy on the Bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 The logical guess is that football ops is Russ Brandon. That's what I was thinking too and there is really no reason to discuss the move with Russ Brandon that I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Â No.... he isn't. He is Managing Partner and President. Football Operations are these folks: Chuck LaMattina EVP of Finance & Business Operations, PSE Brent Rossi EVP of Marketing & Brand Strategy, PSE Frank Cravotta EVP of Creative Services, PSE Mark Preisler EVP of Media & Content, PSE Bruce Popko EVP of Business Development, PSEÂ Those folks probably report to Brandon, however. Â And even so, I don't get it. Didn't TSW Nation come to a consensus a long time ago that they didn't want Russ involved in roster decisions??? Now that he's not, it's 'embarrassing' (TG's take) that he was left out of the loop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Â No.... he isn't. He is Managing Partner and President. Football Operations are these folks: Chuck LaMattina EVP of Finance & Business Operations, PSE Brent Rossi EVP of Marketing & Brand Strategy, PSE Frank Cravotta EVP of Creative Services, PSE Mark Preisler EVP of Media & Content, PSE Bruce Popko EVP of Business Development, PSEÂ Â Overheard in Whaley's office: Â "Ok, who forgot to cc: that pederast Rossi on the cut Fred email?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I think a larger part of the story is being missed here. Fred actually says that Whaley was dishonest the entire time he knew him and that he believes it was Whaley's decision. I am kind of wondering why Tim is not exploring that instead of the specific player move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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