Report: eagles tried to trade for spiller

[thebandit27]

Not like might be harsh. But this regime did not draft Spiller. And a situational skatback like Spiller does not seem, at least to me, to be a player someone like Marrone (and by extension his mini-me Hackett) would covet.

 

That's a good description I think: would not covet. I'm sure they like him and will do what they can to put him to good use, but very likely wouldn't spend significant resources to get him if he weren't already here.

[Wayne Cubed]

Must be a slow day in terms of NFL news to report this. Eagles asked, Bills said no. What a story.

[The Big Cat]

Certainly you're not suggesting that a viable passing game helps open up a running game, are you? Am I to believe that a 5,000 yard QB in this league with Megatron as a target might actually back a defense up a bit? Surely, you jest.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

It's radical. I know.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

How about Spiller for McCoy? Hmmmm that would be tough....

Edited April 14, 2014 by over 20 years of fanhood

[BuffaloRebound]

More and more things pointing to a Spiller trade. Bills supposedly interested in Chris Johnson. Bills bringing in most of top RB's for draft visits. Now this news about Philly inquiring about Spiller. If Bills aren't gonna be able to re-sign him, I'd take a 2nd round pick for him.

[YoloinOhio]

More and more things pointing to a Spiller trade. Bills supposedly interested in Chris Johnson. Bills bringing in most of top RB's for draft visits. Now this news about Philly inquiring about Spiller. If Bills aren't gonna be able to re-sign him, I'd take a 2nd round pick for him.

Maybe they are interested in trading/not re-signing him... but IMO neither of the things you mention actually point to that. The Chris Johnson report actually said that the Titans reached out to the Bills to gauge interest and the Bills were not interested. The fact that they are bringing in the "top RBs" means they know they need to draft one this year as both of theirs will be FAs at the end of the season and one is 33. This year, the top RBs are going to be available in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round due to the strength of the draft in other areas combined with the undervaluing of the RB position in general. Edited April 14, 2014 by YoloinOhio

[Bill from NYC]

Besides, how many years does it take a RB to "break out" and become a solid starter?

 

It already happened. He will be (or already is) the next Gale Sayers.

[K-9]

Maybe they are interested in trading/not re-signing him... but IMO neither of the things you mention actually point to that. The Chris Johnson report actually said that the Titans reached out to the Bills to gauge interest and the Bills were not interested. The fact that they are bringing in the "top RBs" means they know they need to draft one this year as both of theirs will be FAs at the end of the season and one is 33. This year, the top RBs are going to be available in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round due to the strength of the draft in other areas combined with the undervaluing of the RB position in general.

 

I hope they get the kid from Hogwarts. He can literally FLY!

 

GO BILLS!!!

[The Big Cat]

It already happened. He will be (or already is) the next Gale Sayers.

 

Quite the strawman you're constructing.

[BobbyC81]

Maybe they are interested in trading/not re-signing him... but IMO neither of the things you mention actually point to that. The Chris Johnson report actually said that the Titans reached out to the Bills to gauge interest and the Bills were not interested. The fact that they are bringing in the "top RBs" means they know they need to draft one this year as both of theirs will be FAs at the end of the season and one is 33. This year, the top RBs are going to be available in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round due to the strength of the draft in other areas combined with the undervaluing of the RB position in general.

 

The approach to the RB position could show us how different this regime is. If they take a RB at 9 or even trade down and take one later in the first, I think I'll lose it.

[Dragonborn10]

Wow...from that article:

 

Hall of Fame running back Gale Sayers is the only other player in NFL history with at least 3,000 rushing yards, 1,000 receiving yards, 1,150 kick-return yards and 300 punt-return yards in his first four seasons.

 

And yet Spiller is not the trusted back to get a yard on third and one... So hope last year was about his ankle and the new OC.

[BobbyC81]

The whole assumption the coaching staff does not like Spiller is baseless and silly

 

There were a few post-game comments this past season related to Fred getting more carries because he gets positive yards on early downs. There was no need to actually say "...and Spiller doesn't". It was implied.

[Cash]

Wow...from that article:

 

Hall of Fame running back Gale Sayers is the only other player in NFL history with at least 3,000 rushing yards, 1,000 receiving yards, 1,150 kick-return yards and 300 punt-return yards in his first four seasons.

 

"Spiller, 26, has 3,021 career rushing yards, 1,070 receiving yards, 1,157 kick return yards and 302 punt-return yards to go along with 18 touchdowns."

 

Sayers through his first 4 seasons (per PFR): 3,834 rushing yards, 1,197 receiving yards, 2,442 kick return yards, and 391 punt return yards to go along with 46 touchdowns.

 

Let's also qualify the raw numbers a bit, and add in games played and yards per whatever.

 

Spiller: 61 games, 5.1 yards/carry, 7.7 yards/catch, 23.1 yards/KR, 12.1 yards/PR

 

Sayers: 50 games, 5.3 yards/carry, 12.7 yards/catch, 31.7 yards/KR, 14.5 yards/PR

 

What we have here is an author using incredibly arbitrary cutoffs (what's special about 1,150 KR yards or 300 PR yards again?) to force an unfair/inaccurate "similarity" between two not-that-similar players. If you just look at players with at least 5,000 all-purpose yards in their first 4 years, Sayers comes in 4th and Spiller 81st. If you require a minimum of 4,000 yards from scrimmage to weed out return specialists, Sayers comes in 3rd and Spiller 46th.

 

Listen, I don't want to give Bill's crusade/jihad too much ammunition here. Spiller is at least a good player, and looked like a great player in 2012. He doesn't have to be Gale Sayers to be worth keeping around. (And that's good, because he's NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE to Gale Sayers.) We don't need to pretend that he and Sayers are in some elite class by themselves to convince ourselves that Spiller is good. It's enough to just look at his 5.1 career yards/carry and breakaway speed, and chalk up last year's struggles to a combination of bereavement and injury. (He looked significantly slower when he came back from the high ankle sprain, and got caught from behind at least a couple times on what would've been TDs in 2012.)

 

And by the way, 46th on that list, while not in any way in Sayers' class, is still pretty good. There's a few flameouts on the list, but it's mostly made up of good players, including (way above Spiller) almost every HOF running back.

[silvermike]

Wow...from that article:

 

Hall of Fame running back Gale Sayers is the only other player in NFL history with at least 3,000 rushing yards, 1,000 receiving yards, 1,150 kick-return yards and 300 punt-return yards in his first four seasons.

 

Today's entry in the meaningless stat department. It's so specific, it doesn't really tell you anything other than that he was used on special teams.

 

3,000 rushing yards in your first four seasons isn't special. It's been done 109 times, and 98 of those guys ended up with more rushing yards than Spiller for that period. 49 had more receiving yards.

 

Now you're down to special teams, and neither of those numbers is anything special. CJ's 1157 kick return yards puts him 4 above Al Edwards for the same period of their careers, but behind 407 other players. His 302 punt return yards are a non-state. It's less than Dick Jauron finished his career with.

 

I don't hate CJ. But that's a line that just says he was used sparingly on special teams while being in a RB committee.

[FluffHead]

Must be a slow day in terms of NFL news to report this. Eagles asked, Bills said no. What a story.

 

Ok you're right let's just not talk about it so we can go back to all the more worthy topics like "would ya?"

[thebandit27]

And yet Spiller is not the trusted back to get a yard on third and one... So hope last year was about his ankle and the new OC.

 

I hope it was about the ankle as well. I also think that part of his not being the guy on 3rd and short is that Freddie is generally exceptional in that regard...I can't hold that against C.J.

 

"Spiller, 26, has 3,021 career rushing yards, 1,070 receiving yards, 1,157 kick return yards and 302 punt-return yards to go along with 18 touchdowns."

 

Sayers through his first 4 seasons (per PFR): 3,834 rushing yards, 1,197 receiving yards, 2,442 kick return yards, and 391 punt return yards to go along with 46 touchdowns.

 

Let's also qualify the raw numbers a bit, and add in games played and yards per whatever.

 

Spiller: 61 games, 5.1 yards/carry, 7.7 yards/catch, 23.1 yards/KR, 12.1 yards/PR

 

Sayers: 50 games, 5.3 yards/carry, 12.7 yards/catch, 31.7 yards/KR, 14.5 yards/PR

 

What we have here is an author using incredibly arbitrary cutoffs (what's special about 1,150 KR yards or 300 PR yards again?) to force an unfair/inaccurate "similarity" between two not-that-similar players. If you just look at players with at least 5,000 all-purpose yards in their first 4 years, Sayers comes in 4th and Spiller 81st. If you require a minimum of 4,000 yards from scrimmage to weed out return specialists, Sayers comes in 3rd and Spiller 46th.

 

Listen, I don't want to give Bill's crusade/jihad too much ammunition here. Spiller is at least a good player, and looked like a great player in 2012. He doesn't have to be Gale Sayers to be worth keeping around. (And that's good, because he's NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE to Gale Sayers.) We don't need to pretend that he and Sayers are in some elite class by themselves to convince ourselves that Spiller is good. It's enough to just look at his 5.1 career yards/carry and breakaway speed, and chalk up last year's struggles to a combination of bereavement and injury. (He looked significantly slower when he came back from the high ankle sprain, and got caught from behind at least a couple times on what would've been TDs in 2012.)

 

And by the way, 46th on that list, while not in any way in Sayers' class, is still pretty good. There's a few flameouts on the list, but it's mostly made up of good players, including (way above Spiller) almost every HOF running back.

 

I quote a stat that I found remarkable; I never compared the two--that was on the author.

 

Today's entry in the meaningless stat department. It's so specific, it doesn't really tell you anything other than that he was used on special teams.

 

3,000 rushing yards in your first four seasons isn't special. It's been done 109 times, and 98 of those guys ended up with more rushing yards than Spiller for that period. 49 had more receiving yards.

 

Now you're down to special teams, and neither of those numbers is anything special. CJ's 1157 kick return yards puts him 4 above Al Edwards for the same period of their careers, but behind 407 other players. His 302 punt return yards are a non-state. It's less than Dick Jauron finished his career with.

 

I don't hate CJ. But that's a line that just says he was used sparingly on special teams while being in a RB committee.

 

Again, it's simply a stat that I found to be worth mentioning.

[BigBuff423]

Re: this floated trade idea, Chris Johnson trade to Buffalo rumor, and the Pre-Draft visits of RBs plus Whaley saying their in the market for a power RB....how it relates to Spiller, where there's smoke, there's fire...

 

Trade during the Draft? Maybe?

 

Although, SJ is a more likely Draft day trade target...Carolina? Eagles? Texans? just a thought...

[Wayne Cubed]

Ok you're right let's just not talk about it so we can go back to all the more worthy topics like "would ya?"

 

Awesome, now that that's settled.

[Alaska Darin]

Wow...from that article:

 

Hall of Fame running back Gale Sayers is the only other player in NFL history with at least 3,000 rushing yards, 1,000 receiving yards, 1,150 kick-return yards and 300 punt-return yards in his first four seasons.

I saw Gale Sayers. CJ Spiller is no Gale Sayers.

[mrags]

I wish they'd have at least listened to what Philly would've offered...Spiller is good, but I don't think he's as good as some here think.

amen brother

[BADOLBILZ]

http://www.csnphilly...bout-cj-spiller

 

 

Sounds like the Eagles asked... and the Bills said no way.

 

Due diligence on the Eagles part. The Bills are notorious for getting raped in trades so it always pays to inquire before someone else does.

[oman128]

okay Spiller is still a Bills player he wasn't traded, there's enough rumor and speculation running around western New York right now we don't need to whip up anymore drama close this thread please.

[Captain Hindsight]

Not like might be harsh. But this regime did not draft Spiller. And a situational skatback like Spiller does not seem, at least to me, to be a player someone like Marrone (and by extension his mini-me Hackett) would covet.

Youre kidding right?

 

How much speed has been added to the offense since Marrone came aboard?

 

Every week Marrone brings up how he wants more speed and they are going to trade one of the fastest players in the league?

[Lurker]

3,000 rushing yards in your first four seasons isn't special.

In Sayers' case, it was when it only took 42 games to get there (vs. 61 for Spiller):

 

Sayers: http://www.pro-footb.../S/SayeGa00.htm

 

Spiller: http://www.pro-footb.../S/SpilC.00.htm

Edited April 15, 2014 by Lurker

[thebandit27]

 

I saw Gale Sayers. CJ Spiller is no Gale Sayers.

 

Never said he was...I simply found that stat worth highlighting

[FireChan]

 

 

Never said he was...I simply found that stat worth highlighting

 

I got a stat. Spiller's last name starts with S, just like Sayers and Sanders.

 

 

 

"Spiller, 26, has 3,021 career rushing yards, 1,070 receiving yards, 1,157 kick return yards and 302 punt-return yards to go along with 18 touchdowns."

 

Sayers through his first 4 seasons (per PFR): 3,834 rushing yards, 1,197 receiving yards, 2,442 kick return yards, and 391 punt return yards to go along with 46 touchdowns.

 

Let's also qualify the raw numbers a bit, and add in games played and yards per whatever.

 

Spiller: 61 games, 5.1 yards/carry, 7.7 yards/catch, 23.1 yards/KR, 12.1 yards/PR

 

Sayers: 50 games, 5.3 yards/carry, 12.7 yards/catch, 31.7 yards/KR, 14.5 yards/PR

 

What we have here is an author using incredibly arbitrary cutoffs (what's special about 1,150 KR yards or 300 PR yards again?) to force an unfair/inaccurate "similarity" between two not-that-similar players. If you just look at players with at least 5,000 all-purpose yards in their first 4 years, Sayers comes in 4th and Spiller 81st. If you require a minimum of 4,000 yards from scrimmage to weed out return specialists, Sayers comes in 3rd and Spiller 46th.

 

Listen, I don't want to give Bill's crusade/jihad too much ammunition here. Spiller is at least a good player, and looked like a great player in 2012. He doesn't have to be Gale Sayers to be worth keeping around. (And that's good, because he's NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE to Gale Sayers.) We don't need to pretend that he and Sayers are in some elite class by themselves to convince ourselves that Spiller is good. It's enough to just look at his 5.1 career yards/carry and breakaway speed, and chalk up last year's struggles to a combination of bereavement and injury. (He looked significantly slower when he came back from the high ankle sprain, and got caught from behind at least a couple times on what would've been TDs in 2012.)

 

And by the way, 46th on that list, while not in any way in Sayers' class, is still pretty good. There's a few flameouts on the list, but it's mostly made up of good players, including (way above Spiller) almost every HOF running back.

 

This is in the same vein of my "minimum 200 carries vs minimum 208 carries" point.

 

I commend you sir.

[Mr. WEO]

I understand some of the criticism surrounding Spiller when it comes to injury concerns, but I never agree on the ability part. The Bills IMO need to build their offensive attack around Spiller as the centerpiece.

 

Agreed. Look at all the other playoff winners building their offense around situational scatbacks.

Edited April 15, 2014 by Mr. WEO

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

a 4th or 5th rounder? no way.

IF someone wants CJ make em pay

[BillsBytheBay]

I didn't realize so many people are done with Spiller already. I'm glad that that the Bills didn't even entertain the offer. What people need to really see is that Fred will be the first out the door.

So, I believe there is a short list of non "situational" backs. Peterson, Lynch, Forte... Not many. I believe you can build an offense around a situational back. But with two talented situational backs it's could be very effective. I would love to see them take a late round power back to develop behind Fred.

I dont think the team has many holes. Don't toss a talented player for a draft pick. Keep the talent. People seem to throw the idea of tradeing talented players for picks, like there guaranteed hits. Better QB play will improve the running game and everything else.

[Delete This Account]

not entirely clear why this is news. i might be wrong, but i'm guessing that several GMs and team presidents around the league have commication devices, which they use to contact one another to discuss a variety of topics including the status and value of players, and what it might take to pry a player loose.

 

sometimes these conversations reach fruition where something called, "a trade," is consumated.

 

other times, probably more than "once," someone rejects the offer either early or late in the process of what's termed "a negotiation."

 

jw

[thebandit27]

not entirely clear why this is news. i might be wrong, but i'm guessing that several GMs and team presidents around the league have commication devices, which they use to contact one another to discuss a variety of topics including the status and value of players, and what it might take to pry a player loose.

 

sometimes these conversations reach fruition where something called, "a trade," is consumated.

 

other times, probably more than "once," someone rejects the offer either early or late in the process of what's termed "a negotiation."

 

jw

 

It's news because it involves a popular player on the Bills, and is something of a testament to his value around the league.

 

There's no need to be snarky about it.

[FireChan]

not entirely clear why this is news. i might be wrong, but i'm guessing that several GMs and team presidents around the league have commication devices, which they use to contact one another to discuss a variety of topics including the status and value of players, and what it might take to pry a player loose.

 

sometimes these conversations reach fruition where something called, "a trade," is consumated.

 

other times, probably more than "once," someone rejects the offer either early or late in the process of what's termed "a negotiation."

 

jw

 

I laughed.

 

I didn't realize so many people are done with Spiller already. I'm glad that that the Bills didn't even entertain the offer. What people need to really see is that Fred will be the first out the door.

So, I believe there is a short list of non "situational" backs. Peterson, Lynch, Forte... Not many. I believe you can build an offense around a situational back. But with two talented situational backs it's could be very effective. I would love to see them take a late round power back to develop behind Fred.

I dont think the team has many holes. Don't toss a talented player for a draft pick. Keep the talent. People seem to throw the idea of tradeing talented players for picks, like there guaranteed hits. Better QB play will improve the running game and everything else.

 

So, I believe there is a short list of non "situational" backs. Peterson, Lynch, Forte... Not many.

 

I disagree. Let's go through the list. Steven Jackson, Frank Gore, Rashard Mendenhall, MJD, Arian Foster, Doug Martin, Jamaal Charles, Forte, Lynch, Peterson, Lacy, McCoy, Matthews, Stacy, McFadden, Morris, Reggie Bush, Trent Richardson.

 

Only a few of those guys are even close to as fast as Spiller. But on third and one, I'd take almost all of them OVER Spiller.

[Delete This Account]

It's news because it involves a popular player on the Bills, and is something of a testament to his value around the league.

 

There's no need to be snarky about it.

 

being snarky because in this overly TMZ-news-every-minute-can't-get-enough-of-it-without-providing-any-time-for-perspective-or-nuance world this actually counts as news. whereas as recently as 10 years ago, this wouldn't have been reported and the world would not be different, as it is no different today than it was before the Eagles were rejected in their bid to get Spiller.

 

in other news, Michael Vick, is still a New York Jet.

 

jw

[3rdand12]

so snarky it is then ? Mr. Wawrow ?

 

Sarcasm font button has eluded me again darn it all

[NoSaint]

 

 

being snarky because in this overly TMZ-news-every-minute-can't-get-enough-of-it-without-providing-any-time-for-perspective-or-nuance world this actually counts as news. whereas as recently as 10 years ago, this wouldn't have been reported and the world would not be different, as it is no different today than it was before the Eagles were rejected in their bid to get Spiller.

 

in other news, Michael Vick, is still a New York Jet.

 

jw

 

Perhaps not earth shattering, but interesting tidbits might be gleaned from the knowledge that the door was closed before even opening for discussions. A report that they couldn't agree on value would have different implications than a report that they weren't interested in offers for instance. Though this report doesn't strongly make the case for that distinction.

[Beerball]

I didn't realize so many people are done with Spiller already. I'm glad that that the Bills didn't even entertain the offer. What people need to really see is that Fred will be the first out the door.

So, I believe there is a short list of non "situational" backs. Peterson, Lynch, Forte... Not many. I believe you can build an offense around a situational back. But with two talented situational backs it's could be very effective. I would love to see them take a late round power back to develop behind Fred.

I dont think the team has many holes. Don't toss a talented player for a draft pick. Keep the talent. People seem to throw the idea of tradeing talented players for picks, like there guaranteed hits. Better QB play will improve the running game and everything else.

I'm curious about how their touches/game compare to CJ. I would call none of those 3 'situational' backs.

[thebandit27]

 

 

being snarky because in this overly TMZ-news-every-minute-can't-get-enough-of-it-without-providing-any-time-for-perspective-or-nuance world this actually counts as news. whereas as recently as 10 years ago, this wouldn't have been reported and the world would not be different, as it is no different today than it was before the Eagles were rejected in their bid to get Spiller.

 

in other news, Michael Vick, is still a New York Jet.

 

jw

 

That...sounds a lot like whining

[Gugny]

That...sounds a lot like whining

If I may ...

 

I think it is news, as Bandit says, because it involves CJ Spiller.

 

I also believe that it's likely commonplace for teams to throw their hats in the ring, realizing there's a 99.9% chance the other team will reject any offer made - therefore making it not newsworthy.

 

This happens in all of sports. The first thing I saw on espn.com this morning was that Michael Phelps was un-retiring.

 

That. Is not news.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

not entirely clear why this is news. i might be wrong, but i'm guessing that several GMs and team presidents around the league have commication devices, which they use to contact one another to discuss a variety of topics including the status and value of players, and what it might take to pry a player loose.

 

sometimes these conversations reach fruition where something called, "a trade," is consumated.

 

other times, probably more than "once," someone rejects the offer either early or late in the process of what's termed "a negotiation."

 

jw

You said consumated. Huh huh huh

[FluffHead]

 

being snarky because in this overly TMZ-news-every-minute-can't-get-enough-of-it-without-providing-any-time-for-perspective-or-nuance world this actually counts as news. whereas as recently as 10 years ago, this wouldn't have been reported and the world would not be different, as it is no different today than it was before the Eagles were rejected in their bid to get Spiller.

 

in other news, Michael Vick, is still a New York Jet.

 

jw

 

It's showing the Bills at least somewhat value a player that many question how this staff feels about. It's the offseason. It's news.