thebandit27 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Not like might be harsh. But this regime did not draft Spiller. And a situational skatback like Spiller does not seem, at least to me, to be a player someone like Marrone (and by extension his mini-me Hackett) would covet. That's a good description I think: would not covet. I'm sure they like him and will do what they can to put him to good use, but very likely wouldn't spend significant resources to get him if he weren't already here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Must be a slow day in terms of NFL news to report this. Eagles asked, Bills said no. What a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Certainly you're not suggesting that a viable passing game helps open up a running game, are you? Am I to believe that a 5,000 yard QB in this league with Megatron as a target might actually back a defense up a bit? Surely, you jest. GO BILLS!!! It's radical. I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) How about Spiller for McCoy? Hmmmm that would be tough.... Edited April 14, 2014 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 More and more things pointing to a Spiller trade. Bills supposedly interested in Chris Johnson. Bills bringing in most of top RB's for draft visits. Now this news about Philly inquiring about Spiller. If Bills aren't gonna be able to re-sign him, I'd take a 2nd round pick for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) More and more things pointing to a Spiller trade. Bills supposedly interested in Chris Johnson. Bills bringing in most of top RB's for draft visits. Now this news about Philly inquiring about Spiller. If Bills aren't gonna be able to re-sign him, I'd take a 2nd round pick for him. Maybe they are interested in trading/not re-signing him... but IMO neither of the things you mention actually point to that. The Chris Johnson report actually said that the Titans reached out to the Bills to gauge interest and the Bills were not interested. The fact that they are bringing in the "top RBs" means they know they need to draft one this year as both of theirs will be FAs at the end of the season and one is 33. This year, the top RBs are going to be available in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round due to the strength of the draft in other areas combined with the undervaluing of the RB position in general. Edited April 14, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Besides, how many years does it take a RB to "break out" and become a solid starter? It already happened. He will be (or already is) the next Gale Sayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Maybe they are interested in trading/not re-signing him... but IMO neither of the things you mention actually point to that. The Chris Johnson report actually said that the Titans reached out to the Bills to gauge interest and the Bills were not interested. The fact that they are bringing in the "top RBs" means they know they need to draft one this year as both of theirs will be FAs at the end of the season and one is 33. This year, the top RBs are going to be available in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round due to the strength of the draft in other areas combined with the undervaluing of the RB position in general. I hope they get the kid from Hogwarts. He can literally FLY! GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 It already happened. He will be (or already is) the next Gale Sayers. Quite the strawman you're constructing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Maybe they are interested in trading/not re-signing him... but IMO neither of the things you mention actually point to that. The Chris Johnson report actually said that the Titans reached out to the Bills to gauge interest and the Bills were not interested. The fact that they are bringing in the "top RBs" means they know they need to draft one this year as both of theirs will be FAs at the end of the season and one is 33. This year, the top RBs are going to be available in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round due to the strength of the draft in other areas combined with the undervaluing of the RB position in general. The approach to the RB position could show us how different this regime is. If they take a RB at 9 or even trade down and take one later in the first, I think I'll lose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Wow...from that article: Hall of Fame running back Gale Sayers is the only other player in NFL history with at least 3,000 rushing yards, 1,000 receiving yards, 1,150 kick-return yards and 300 punt-return yards in his first four seasons. And yet Spiller is not the trusted back to get a yard on third and one... So hope last year was about his ankle and the new OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The whole assumption the coaching staff does not like Spiller is baseless and silly There were a few post-game comments this past season related to Fred getting more carries because he gets positive yards on early downs. There was no need to actually say "...and Spiller doesn't". It was implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Wow...from that article: Hall of Fame running back Gale Sayers is the only other player in NFL history with at least 3,000 rushing yards, 1,000 receiving yards, 1,150 kick-return yards and 300 punt-return yards in his first four seasons. "Spiller, 26, has 3,021 career rushing yards, 1,070 receiving yards, 1,157 kick return yards and 302 punt-return yards to go along with 18 touchdowns." Sayers through his first 4 seasons (per PFR): 3,834 rushing yards, 1,197 receiving yards, 2,442 kick return yards, and 391 punt return yards to go along with 46 touchdowns. Let's also qualify the raw numbers a bit, and add in games played and yards per whatever. Spiller: 61 games, 5.1 yards/carry, 7.7 yards/catch, 23.1 yards/KR, 12.1 yards/PR Sayers: 50 games, 5.3 yards/carry, 12.7 yards/catch, 31.7 yards/KR, 14.5 yards/PR What we have here is an author using incredibly arbitrary cutoffs (what's special about 1,150 KR yards or 300 PR yards again?) to force an unfair/inaccurate "similarity" between two not-that-similar players. If you just look at players with at least 5,000 all-purpose yards in their first 4 years, Sayers comes in 4th and Spiller 81st. If you require a minimum of 4,000 yards from scrimmage to weed out return specialists, Sayers comes in 3rd and Spiller 46th. Listen, I don't want to give Bill's crusade/jihad too much ammunition here. Spiller is at least a good player, and looked like a great player in 2012. He doesn't have to be Gale Sayers to be worth keeping around. (And that's good, because he's NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE to Gale Sayers.) We don't need to pretend that he and Sayers are in some elite class by themselves to convince ourselves that Spiller is good. It's enough to just look at his 5.1 career yards/carry and breakaway speed, and chalk up last year's struggles to a combination of bereavement and injury. (He looked significantly slower when he came back from the high ankle sprain, and got caught from behind at least a couple times on what would've been TDs in 2012.) And by the way, 46th on that list, while not in any way in Sayers' class, is still pretty good. There's a few flameouts on the list, but it's mostly made up of good players, including (way above Spiller) almost every HOF running back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Wow...from that article: Hall of Fame running back Gale Sayers is the only other player in NFL history with at least 3,000 rushing yards, 1,000 receiving yards, 1,150 kick-return yards and 300 punt-return yards in his first four seasons. Today's entry in the meaningless stat department. It's so specific, it doesn't really tell you anything other than that he was used on special teams. 3,000 rushing yards in your first four seasons isn't special. It's been done 109 times, and 98 of those guys ended up with more rushing yards than Spiller for that period. 49 had more receiving yards. Now you're down to special teams, and neither of those numbers is anything special. CJ's 1157 kick return yards puts him 4 above Al Edwards for the same period of their careers, but behind 407 other players. His 302 punt return yards are a non-state. It's less than Dick Jauron finished his career with. I don't hate CJ. But that's a line that just says he was used sparingly on special teams while being in a RB committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 Must be a slow day in terms of NFL news to report this. Eagles asked, Bills said no. What a story. Ok you're right let's just not talk about it so we can go back to all the more worthy topics like "would ya?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 And yet Spiller is not the trusted back to get a yard on third and one... So hope last year was about his ankle and the new OC. I hope it was about the ankle as well. I also think that part of his not being the guy on 3rd and short is that Freddie is generally exceptional in that regard...I can't hold that against C.J. "Spiller, 26, has 3,021 career rushing yards, 1,070 receiving yards, 1,157 kick return yards and 302 punt-return yards to go along with 18 touchdowns." Sayers through his first 4 seasons (per PFR): 3,834 rushing yards, 1,197 receiving yards, 2,442 kick return yards, and 391 punt return yards to go along with 46 touchdowns. Let's also qualify the raw numbers a bit, and add in games played and yards per whatever. Spiller: 61 games, 5.1 yards/carry, 7.7 yards/catch, 23.1 yards/KR, 12.1 yards/PR Sayers: 50 games, 5.3 yards/carry, 12.7 yards/catch, 31.7 yards/KR, 14.5 yards/PR What we have here is an author using incredibly arbitrary cutoffs (what's special about 1,150 KR yards or 300 PR yards again?) to force an unfair/inaccurate "similarity" between two not-that-similar players. If you just look at players with at least 5,000 all-purpose yards in their first 4 years, Sayers comes in 4th and Spiller 81st. If you require a minimum of 4,000 yards from scrimmage to weed out return specialists, Sayers comes in 3rd and Spiller 46th. Listen, I don't want to give Bill's crusade/jihad too much ammunition here. Spiller is at least a good player, and looked like a great player in 2012. He doesn't have to be Gale Sayers to be worth keeping around. (And that's good, because he's NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE to Gale Sayers.) We don't need to pretend that he and Sayers are in some elite class by themselves to convince ourselves that Spiller is good. It's enough to just look at his 5.1 career yards/carry and breakaway speed, and chalk up last year's struggles to a combination of bereavement and injury. (He looked significantly slower when he came back from the high ankle sprain, and got caught from behind at least a couple times on what would've been TDs in 2012.) And by the way, 46th on that list, while not in any way in Sayers' class, is still pretty good. There's a few flameouts on the list, but it's mostly made up of good players, including (way above Spiller) almost every HOF running back. I quote a stat that I found remarkable; I never compared the two--that was on the author. Today's entry in the meaningless stat department. It's so specific, it doesn't really tell you anything other than that he was used on special teams. 3,000 rushing yards in your first four seasons isn't special. It's been done 109 times, and 98 of those guys ended up with more rushing yards than Spiller for that period. 49 had more receiving yards. Now you're down to special teams, and neither of those numbers is anything special. CJ's 1157 kick return yards puts him 4 above Al Edwards for the same period of their careers, but behind 407 other players. His 302 punt return yards are a non-state. It's less than Dick Jauron finished his career with. I don't hate CJ. But that's a line that just says he was used sparingly on special teams while being in a RB committee. Again, it's simply a stat that I found to be worth mentioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Re: this floated trade idea, Chris Johnson trade to Buffalo rumor, and the Pre-Draft visits of RBs plus Whaley saying their in the market for a power RB....how it relates to Spiller, where there's smoke, there's fire... Trade during the Draft? Maybe? Although, SJ is a more likely Draft day trade target...Carolina? Eagles? Texans? just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Ok you're right let's just not talk about it so we can go back to all the more worthy topics like "would ya?" Awesome, now that that's settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Wow...from that article: Hall of Fame running back Gale Sayers is the only other player in NFL history with at least 3,000 rushing yards, 1,000 receiving yards, 1,150 kick-return yards and 300 punt-return yards in his first four seasons. I saw Gale Sayers. CJ Spiller is no Gale Sayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I wish they'd have at least listened to what Philly would've offered...Spiller is good, but I don't think he's as good as some here think. amen brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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