mannc Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) I don't have the link anymore, but someone evaluated the overall draft position of each player position for all 32 teams and their 2-deep depth charts. LB (outside of special teams players like kickers) was the lowest as I recall. So, either there are a lot of NFL teams with really bad LB play (like the Bills ) or it is altogether possible to find productive LBs fairly deep into the draft. (BTW, I am kidding a bit; we can logically ignore the first argument, because the numbers reflected the entire NFL and not a sample set of just bad LBs. The fact is that for the NFL as a whole productive LBs are found deep into the draft, and deeper than other positions.) Very interesting stuff. Another factor is that LBs, along with DBs, tend to make up the core of special teams, thus providing added value over, say, monster linemen, even though monster linemen are a rarer breed. Edited January 9, 2013 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball'n Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 remember when fairley jumped to #2 behind cam after his great championship game. in reality he was in that second tier (likely all along too). thats what just happened to teo, but in the opposite direction (he didnt plummet, as likely scouts had him in that second tier of guys already and though likely disappointed in his play and not making the sharp reads he normally does they were also likely not totally shocked that he was a bit overmatched physically) If you go back and watch that game Fairley was unblocked and didn't "show" much on the majority of his big plays. Fans/media overrated his performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Â If you go back and watch that game Fairley was unblocked and didn't "show" much on the majority of his big plays. Fans/media overrated his performance. Â yup - i remember the famed dont block the best player on the line game plan devised by chip kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tito1 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Â Â Played a poor game but like I said in the other thread - there was a 3rd and a couple and he was met 3-4 yards downfield by 2 interior lineman coming clean from the snap. That doesn't happen in the nfl. Ever. Â He isn't the #1 pick, best ever player but he should be a solid pro. Â This is what I meant. Bama is FARRR superior in talent offensively vs. ND defensively. Bama guys were pounding the entire ND defense, not just Teo. He couldn't take on all those monsters on his own. It wasnt his best game BT any means and sure his stock will drop, but I don't think you discredit an incredible season with so many plays for one game. He will still have a bright nfl future I think but only time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmz56 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I was told he's slow for a linebacker !! What's his 40 time ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I was told he's slow for a linebacker !! What's his 40 time ? http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/151371-manti-teo-is-special/page__st__260#entry2695658 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Â Â What the data says is that every position on offense and defense has a higher investment on the average overall (ignoring kickers). Teams can and do find great LBs later than other positions. I agree with you that this means LB is less "freakish". You need to find a biggish and strongish guy who can run reasonably fast, has good football instincts, and can tackle. A guy in the 7th round and a guy in the 2nd round maybe near clones of one another in all aspects, but the coaches find the 7th rounder makes fewer mental mistakes despite being a whisker slower running in his underwear on a rubber track. Your LB doesn't have to be 7' tall, run a 4.2 sec 40, weigh 900#, throw a football through the 1 open window on a bullet train from 2 platforms away, or any of those "freak" skills. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 He looked horrible against a great college team. I would consider drafting him in the 2nd if avaialble but now way at #8. He looked horrible but you'd take him with your 2nd pick?  PTR    This is what I meant. Bama is FARRR superior in talent offensively vs. ND defensively. Bama guys were pounding the entire ND defense, not just Teo. He couldn't take on all those monsters on his own. It wasnt his best game BT any means and sure his stock will drop, but I don't think you discredit an incredible season with so many plays for one game. He will still have a bright nfl future I think but only time will tell  Yes but he also got wiped out by single blockers and RBs one-on-one. This was not a bad day at the office, it was a monumental failure to show anything.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I'm not saying Te'o will be a bust, but the Alabama game showed his limited skills against high quality (and big) opponents. I think he will be successful in a 3-4, but don't see him being a keeper in a 4-3. I certainly don't think he'll be a bust in the NFL but I think he has to go to a program that maximizes his physical ability and his talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/21766746/nfl-combine-florio-says-teams-want-to-know-if-teo-is-gay  Wow....  Um not sure but isn't that illegal to even inquire about? I mean this is essentially a job interview and although I don't support the lifestyle, you just can't discriminate against the kid or ask him if he is.  This could blow up HUGE if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) Its a way to test honesty. In terms of questions, this is pretty weak. A few years ago a Bucs official apparently someone if their mother was a whore  edit apparently it was Dez Byrant from the dolphins per the article Edited February 25, 2013 by Captain Hindsight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Its a way to test honesty. In terms of questions, this is pretty weak. A few years ago a Bucs official apparently someone if their mother was a whore  edit apparently it was Dez Byrant from the dolphins per the article  I am afraid my NFL Career would have ended right there as I would have beat that clown's ass. That type of questioning has nothing to do with the NFL or any BS talk on the field. But I am not in the NFL nor got the opportunity to be so I digress :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Oh come on? What are the chances that there are homosexuals in a group of incredible buff men who are constantly slamming their bodies against each other, taking each other to the ground and slap each other on the ass for a job well done. Â Wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Its a way to test honesty. In terms of questions, this is pretty weak. A few years ago a Bucs official apparently someone if their mother was a whore  edit apparently it was Dez Byrant from the dolphins per the article  Not just honesty but temperament in the face of adverse conditions   That said, I think this has a lot more to do with old men thinking "how could that really happen" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Maybe those asking think this on-line relationship was just a coverup which blew up in his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 http://www.cbssports...w-if-teo-is-gay  Wow....  Um not sure but isn't that illegal to even inquire about? I mean this is essentially a job interview and although I don't support the lifestyle, you just can't discriminate against the kid or ask him if he is.  This could blow up HUGE if true.  Actually, sexual orientation is not a protected category under the federal anti-discrimination laws. They most likely don't care either way, but want to see how he responds to questions he may very well be asked once on a team by a journalist. Teo's "imaginary" gf was a guy, so it's very likely he gets asked this question. Teams want to see if he can keep his cool w/ stupid, non-football questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 we already know the answer though: "Far from it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The reason they want to know is because the majority of NFL players are homophobes and wouldn't like an openly gay teammate. This isn't an excuse for it, just laying-out the reality. The fake GF stuff will be bad enough for whatever team he ends up going to, but if they find out he's gay? Whoa boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The reason they want to know is because the majority of NFL players are homophobes and wouldn't like an openly gay teammate. This isn't an excuse for it, just laying-out the reality. The fake GF stuff will be bad enough for whatever team he ends up going to, but if they find out he's gay? Whoa boy! Â I agree 100%...And let's see, Te'o is smallish, slightly slower than expected, and brings a circus with him. You'll pardon me if I don't want to spend a first on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Family board folks, cut the crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
910BillsFan Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 First run "unofficial" 4.81 compared to Ogletree's 4.62... FWIW he has another run in the next few minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 First run "unofficial" 4.81 compared to Ogletree's 4.62... FWIW he has another run in the next few minutes  I heard his girlfriend is as fast as the wind. (/setup) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Having an openly gay player on an NFL roster would be problematic for the team IMO. Might be possible and maybe even desirable but at the very least the guy would have to be total badass and a great player. MT will be good but the consensus seems to be that he is far from being the next Ray Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotpockets28 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Â Â I heard his girlfriend is as fast as the wind. (/setup) ....and as invisible as air too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The coaches need to tell him to run like he's saving his fake girlfriend from a car crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
910BillsFan Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 4.80 on 2nd attempt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotpockets28 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The coaches need to tell him to run like he's saving his fake girlfriend from a car crash. or atleast a Cyber crash.........anyone?.......crickets*....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Hate to say I told you so (OK maybe not... )...But I told y'all he was slow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 He doesn't look like rd 1 , especially after the Alabama game. John Harbaugh shook his head watching his slow run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Someone find out who Teo's favorite Glee character is. That will answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Someone find out who Teo's favorite Glee character is. That will answer the question. A year or so back someone started a Glee thread and surprisingly several posters came forward to express what a great show they thought it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) He doesn't look like rd 1 , especially after the Alabama game. John Harbaugh shook his head watching his slow run. Â I can honestly say that I was never aboard the Te'o hype train...And to be equally honest I just could not understand it...I thought, best case scenario, he was a slower Paul Posluszny-type...No way is the kid a 1st Round talent...I really don't think he's a 2nd Round talent...But I'd probably consider him in the 3rd or later...I do think he's got decent instincts... Edited February 25, 2013 by KOKBILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 http://www.cbssports...w-if-teo-is-gay  Wow....  Um not sure but isn't that illegal to even inquire about? I mean this is essentially a job interview and although I don't support the lifestyle, you just can't discriminate against the kid or ask him if he is.  This could blow up HUGE if true.  NFL is not your typical workplace, It's like the FBI or CIA, they want to know EVERY thing about you in case it compromises your ability to perform.  It's a logical question considering the situation, but he is not gay he just got deceived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotpockets28 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) Only thing I find "great"" about manti teo is his bad azzz name..and well..thats about it.... Well the whole samoan power myth thing too... Edited February 25, 2013 by Hotpockets28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Dude is a product of super hype and media attention from being at Notre Dame. Don't forget Notre Dame has a contract with ABC or all of their games. It's easy for him to be in the spotlight and be over hyped. Â Not a first round prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Only thing I find "great"" about manti teo is his bad azzz name..and well..thats about it.... Well the whole samoan power myth thing too... Â True! He does have a 1st Rd name!!! I'll give him that much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Awesome! He should be there at 8. Â PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Dude is a product of super hype and media attention from being at Notre Dame. Don't forget Notre Dame has a contract with ABC or all of their games. It's easy for him to be in the spotlight and be over hyped. Â Not a first round prospect. Yep. After today, I doubt he is even a second round prospect. Would not be surprised to see him taken in round 4 or even later. That time is slower than a number of offensive lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 4.8 was always about where i thought his over/under would be, and he would be close to it - Â faster and hes a first, slower and hes a second. i think he will be a productive, but not game breaking lb in this league. think rey maualuga (4.86). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Enough inuendo. Stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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