dave mcbride Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) Some interesting quotes from anonymous GMs in here: https://wapo.st/3TXKgyG (I made this a gift article and it should be accessible to all). 'Brandon Aiyuk/Deebo Samuel (49ers) “One of them won’t be back there,” the GM said. The exec said: “Personally, I’d be shocked if they don’t move one. When you study the model of how they roster build and structure their contracts, and with the quarterback being up in a year, I don’t think they will pay them both. … And if Deebo was the guy to go, I think he’d already be gone.” Another GM opined that he believes Aiyuk would have already secured his new contract if it was going to come from San Francisco. “I think Aiyuk is the one to watch,” that GM, also sniffing around on wide receivers, said. Another exec said: “I don’t think they’re going to get everything they’ll want for him [Aiyuk] because of what you’re going to have to pay him. But they have to listen.”' Edited April 15 by dave mcbride 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Interesting article especially about teams not wanting to give WR’s long term deals. That would suggest Metcalf would be more desirable than Aiyuk and it might be cheaper draft capital wise to get them than people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said: Interesting article especially about teams not wanting to give WR’s long term deals. That would suggest Metcalf would be more desirable than Aiyuk and it might be cheaper draft capital wise to get them than people think. Eagles just gave DeVonta Smith 3 for 75 mil & if the Bills got DK Metcalf, I'd do laps around my house. One of my favorite players. Believe he'd be a complete monster with Allen Edited April 15 by Warriorspikes51 1 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 I tend to think that with as expensive as WR contracts are getting, and as many good ones as are coming out in the draft each year, and as quickly as many of them seem to be able to hit the ground running... WR may become the next position where it's smart to "turn and burn". Draft a guy, pay him on a rookie wage scale for four years (or five if he's a first rounder), then trade him or let him walk and get a compensatory pick. Wash, rinse, repeat. Only the elite guys will merit those mega-extensions. If the supply of good, draftable WRs continues to go up, and the cost to re-sign them continues to climb, the wave will crest, and they'll eventually start going the way of RBs. Maybe. Just maybe. 6 17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 I don't think the Bills dumped a big contract to sign up for another. Probably looking to get cheaper at the position. 3 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 hour ago, Logic said: I tend to think that with as expensive as WR contracts are getting, and as many good ones as are coming out in the draft each year, and as quickly as many of them seem to be able to hit the ground running... WR may become the next position where it's smart to "turn and burn". Draft a guy, pay him on a rookie wage scale for four years (or five if he's a first rounder), then trade him or let him walk and get a compensatory pick. Wash, rinse, repeat. Only the elite guys will merit those mega-extensions. If the supply of good, draftable WRs continues to go up, and the cost to re-sign them continues to climb, the wave will crest, and they'll eventually start going the way of RBs. Maybe. Just maybe. This is the way 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadBills Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: I don't think the Bills dumped a big contract to sign up for another. Probably looking to get cheaper at the position. Bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Eagles just gave DeVonta Smith 3 for 75 mil & if the Bills got DK Metcalf, I'd do laps around my house. One of my favorite players. Believe he'd be a complete monster with Allen There were a number of folks here - IIRC I think @BADOLBILZ was one - who were salty over trading up to Cody Ford in the 2nd when DK Metcalf was still on the board. Though, if we're playing 2019 Draft "do over", I call dibs on AJ Brown. Edited April 15 by Beck Water 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: I don't think the Bills dumped a big contract to sign up for another. Probably looking to get cheaper at the position. They didn't dump Diggs because of the contract. They dumped him IN SPITE of the contract. His attitude and declining play were the top 2 factors. I don't think they want another big contract at ANY position. But I suspect that's a fluid situation depending on the player. I don't think guys like Aiyuk and Higgins would be appealing enough to pay $30M aav. They have never been the primary option for the good iterations of their current teams but will command contracts that might look like 80%-90% of Justin Jefferson value. 9 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Beck Water said: There were a number of folks here - IIRC I think @BADOLBILZ was one - who were salty over trading up to Cody Ford in the 2nd when DK Metcalf was still on the board. Though, if we're playing 2019 Draft "do over", I call dibs on AJ Brown. Yeah AJ Brown has separated from Metcalf but DK is still really good. If they could get him for a second round pick...........that would be a great get, IMO. If the draft were to go the way the mock community expects then the part of the WR group that drops way off by 60 is definitely the boundary WR. DK is a legit boundary option and he's been a better player in the playoffs than the regular season. Likely because of his physicality. Good fit for late season games in Highmark stadium, IMO. Edited April 15 by BADOLBILZ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 15 Author Share Posted April 15 23 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: They didn't dump Diggs because of the contract. They dumped him IN SPITE of the contract. His attitude and declining play were the top 2 factors. I don't think they want another big contract at ANY position. But I suspect that's a fluid situation depending on the player. I don't think guys like Aiyuk and Higgins would be appealing enough to pay $30M aav. They have never been the primary option for the good iterations of their current teams but will command contracts that might look like 80%-90% of Justin Jefferson value. It appears that despite the numbers being thrown around, no WR is getting close to $30 million per, at least yet. From Florio, who is good on this sort of issue (althoug certainly not every type of issue): https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/top-receiver-deals-definitely-arent-what-they-seem-to-be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 so, the Bills are on to... Aiyuk, you say? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Get JJ, not Aiyuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 10 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Get JJ, not Aiyuk Only if you're good with paying him more than Tyreek Hill annually, as well as having to give up multiple high end draft picks. Great player, but pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 There are a couple of names on that list I could get behind … but until the Bills free up some cap space I’ll keep the powder dry … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 5 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: I don't think the Bills dumped a big contract to sign up for another. Probably looking to get cheaper at the position. To be going into this season paying their most expensive receiver $8m is crazy … if this is the plan… they better hit on two big names in the draft … Picking a guy at 28 and the fourth round isn’t good enough in my view 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: To be going into this season paying their most expensive receiver $8m is crazy … if this is the plan… they better hit on two big names in the draft … Picking a guy at 28 and the fourth round isn’t good enough in my view It depends. What does Joe Brady have to say about his scheme? And it's time for Josh to make his WR's better. Buy who knows what Beane is thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said: It depends. What does Joe Brady have to say about his scheme? And it's time for Josh to make his WR's better. Buy who knows what Beane is thinking. You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken you know what 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken you know what Wow. I like Kincaid, Samuel and Shakir and don't feel they are ****. I also think a 1st or 2nd round WR won't be **** either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Just now, SoonerBillsFan said: Wow. I like Kincaid, Samuel and Shakir and don't feel they are ****. I also think a 1st or 2nd round WR won't be **** either. It won’t be enough 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: It won’t be enough Well then we are screwed. I can't see beane dumping a huge contract just to add another one this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Well then we are screwed. I can't see beane dumping a huge contract just to add another one this year. They dumped Diggs because he was a cancer … what he got paid is irrelevant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 9 hours ago, dave mcbride said: and with the quarterback being up in a year Man I'm shocked by how many people see the 49ers extending Purdy as a foregone conclusion. I thought he was by far their biggest weakness in the Super Bowl. He couldn't win one with an elite LT and like 4 elite weapons. What else can they possibly give him to get them over the hump? It would be a monumental mistake to give him a big extension IMO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Man I'm shocked by how many people see the 49ers extending Purdy as a foregone conclusion. I thought he was by far their biggest weakness in the Super Bowl. He couldn't win one with an elite LT and like 4 elite weapons. What else can they possibly give him to get them over the hump? It would be a monumental mistake to give him a big extension IMO. Well.. when they tried to pick one giving up multiple firsts it was one of the biggest disasters we have seen in 20 years .. Maybe they should be sticking with what they have based on that effort Edited April 16 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedGame Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 9 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: I don't think the Bills dumped a big contract to sign up for another. Probably looking to get cheaper at the position. I hate when people say this. It’s reductive. There’s a massive difference between paying big money to a 30-year-old Stefon Diggs who underperformed and paying big money to a 26-year-old Aiyuk who has improved every year and is easily in his prime. I’m not saying the $25m-$30m/year would be easy to swallow, but let’s not pretend Diggs’ salary and value is an apples-to-apples comparison with Aiyuk at a similar salary. Nobody wants a car payment after you’ve just finished paying off your car, but I’d rather have a new Maserati than a used Mercedes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 I think DK Metcalf is an all out world beater but I just don't see us doing something splashy. It's not like we're one player away. We need a center, some back 7 defenders and another pass rusher. Expecting Josh to win every game for us is fool's gold. 59 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Man I'm shocked by how many people see the 49ers extending Purdy as a foregone conclusion. I thought he was by far their biggest weakness in the Super Bowl. He couldn't win one with an elite LT and like 4 elite weapons. What else can they possibly give him to get them over the hump? It would be a monumental mistake to give him a big extension IMO. what do you see SF doing at QB instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 11 minutes ago, stuvian said: what do you see SF doing at QB instead? That isn't the question. The question is, has San Fran hit their ceiling with Purdy? Given how ridiculously talented that supporting cast was they should have had an all time dominant playoff offense. Instead they fell short in critical moments and probably shouldn't have even made it past Detroit to be honest. So now you're going to give Purdy all of his supporting cast's money and hope you somehow exceed last year's performance? I don't know what the answer is but he definitely isn't it IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 17 minutes ago, stuvian said: I think DK Metcalf is an all out world beater but I just don't see us doing something splashy. It's not like we're one player away. We need a center, some back 7 defenders and another pass rusher. Expecting Josh to win every game for us is fool's gold. Yeahhhhh, but Josh with a guy who can and will just go get the football has to be intriguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Is Lamb available? I would take him over Aiyuk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Bold prediction; WR is the next position to see contract deflation. As we Bills fans now see, WRs have a limited shelf life. To much talent at that position coming out of college and to many good guys floating around free agency. Teams can likely afford one star pass catcher either at TE or WR, but the rest will likely rotate over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 9 minutes ago, HappyDays said: That isn't the question. The question is, has San Fran hit their ceiling with Purdy? Given how ridiculously talented that supporting cast was they should have had an all time dominant playoff offense. Instead they fell short in critical moments and probably shouldn't have even made it past Detroit to be honest. So now you're going to give Purdy all of his supporting cast's money and hope you somehow exceed last year's performance? I don't know what the answer is but he definitely isn't it IMO. But he played lights out in the second half vs Detroit and won the game for them. Honestly, if SF stops a fourth and 2-3 on their own side of the field in OT, he’s the SB hero. He’s better than you give him credit for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: But he played lights out in the second half vs Detroit and won the game for them. Honestly, if SF stops a fourth and 2-3 on their own side of the field in OT, he’s the SB hero. He’s better than you give him credit for. He threw a duck that bounced off a DB's facemask and miraculously bounced into Aiyuk's hands for a 50 yard completion. If that play gets intercepted as it should have been, the game would have been over right there. Purdy's biggest strength is that he seemingly shares one brain with Kyle Shanahan. It's why a QB with his limitations can be as successful as he has been in that situation. But the physical limitations are just too much to overcome IMO. Constantly in the Super Bowl I saw a QB that was always off the mark whenever he had to deal with a bit of pressure. Guys were wide open all over the place and he just couldn't drive the ball to them. It's just too difficult to win a Super Bowl with that kind of fatal flaw. Eventually you're going to have to deal with a pass rush and win from a messy pocket. There's two questions here - Can he win a Super Bowl? Sure, under perfect circumstances it's possible as he proved last year. Can he win a Super Bowl while taking up a sizeable percentage of the salary cap? To that I say no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: He threw a duck that bounced off a DB's facemask and miraculously bounced into Aiyuk's hands for a 50 yard completion. If that play gets intercepted as it should have been, the game would have been over right there. Purdy's biggest strength is that he seemingly shares one brain with Kyle Shanahan. It's why a QB with his limitations can be as successful as he has been in that situation. But the physical limitations are just too much to overcome IMO. Constantly in the Super Bowl I saw a QB that was always off the mark whenever he had to deal with a bit of pressure. Guys were wide open all over the place and he just couldn't drive the ball to them. It's just too difficult to win a Super Bowl with that kind of fatal flaw. Eventually you're going to have to deal with a pass rush and win from a messy pocket. There's two questions here - Can he win a Super Bowl? Sure, under perfect circumstances it's possible as he proved last year. Can he win a Super Bowl while taking up a sizeable percentage of the salary cap? To that I say no. Brock Purdy should thank his lucky stars Tua exists running a derivative scheme from his HC’s tree. He seems like a good kid so I don’t like to rag on him, but he’s closer to Mac Jones than an elite QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 7 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: They dumped Diggs because he was a cancer … what he got paid is irrelevant Not only that, they ate 30 mill in cap space to dump him and another 3 mill to boot. When we look back I think it had to be done no matter how well he does during the regular season for the Texans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 9 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: To be going into this season paying their most expensive receiver $8m is crazy … if this is the plan… they better hit on two big names in the draft … Picking a guy at 28 and the fourth round isn’t good enough in my view Hmmm… Did the chiefs pay any WR >$8 million last year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, pennstate10 said: Hmmm… Did the chiefs pay any WR >$8 million last year? We aren’t the Chiefs … we are tying to beat them… unsuccessfully so far in the Playoffs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 18 hours ago, Logic said: I tend to think that with as expensive as WR contracts are getting, and as many good ones as are coming out in the draft each year, and as quickly as many of them seem to be able to hit the ground running... WR may become the next position where it's smart to "turn and burn". Draft a guy, pay him on a rookie wage scale for four years (or five if he's a first rounder), then trade him or let him walk and get a compensatory pick. Wash, rinse, repeat. Only the elite guys will merit those mega-extensions. If the supply of good, draftable WRs continues to go up, and the cost to re-sign them continues to climb, the wave will crest, and they'll eventually start going the way of RBs. Maybe. Just maybe. Supply and demand. don’t think it will go the way or rbs any time soon but I think like rbs are maybe undervalued right now wrs are overvalued. And that is part of what the gms are saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 19 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Interesting article especially about teams not wanting to give WR’s long term deals. That would suggest Metcalf would be more desirable than Aiyuk and it might be cheaper draft capital wise to get them than people think. WRs turning into RBs with many replaceable unless there is something very special about them…then you keep them. from financial cap structure you can’t pay high on two WRs unlesss you are riding rookie contracts elsewhere. Top WR wants thr high money, but are thry worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 20 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Eagles just gave DeVonta Smith 3 for 75 mil & if the Bills got DK Metcalf, I'd do laps around my house. One of my favorite players. Believe he'd be a complete monster with Allen It would definitely move a little bit if this happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 19 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah AJ Brown has separated from Metcalf but DK is still really good. If they could get him for a second round pick...........that would be a great get, IMO. If the draft were to go the way the mock community expects then the part of the WR group that drops way off by 60 is definitely the boundary WR. DK is a legit boundary option and he's been a better player in the playoffs than the regular season. Likely because of his physicality. Good fit for late season games in Highmark stadium, IMO. I doubt they do anything until after the draft. Likely most teams are in that mode. If DK is available afterwards, that may be a great get depending on who we draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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