Doc Brown Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, LabattBlue said: Did you look at the KC WR corp in 2023? You know…the one they won the SB with? They had Kelce and a top five defense. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 9 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: The old guilty till proven innocent! The baby thing sounds false (the sketchy website that reported it also later said it was false). The breakup story may be true, lots locally have made claims, but so many are wanna-be attention garden-hoes now. This is the first I’ve ever heard of the ‘party before home games’ claim. 🤷🏻♂️ This is not a criminal trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simstim Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Beast said: You love him so much you can’t spell his first name correctly. Sorry but I had to. You were perfectly right to. Astonishing really. I even edited from Diggs to Stephon without clocking. I'm going to pretend it's because I was so upset. Another edit has taken place. I couldn't just leave it that way! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 The terms of the trade, which seem quite bad for the Bills, and the fact that Bills made the trade anyway, suggest that nobody would pay any more for Diggs where he is now in his career. It really says that the Bills REALLY wanted to get rid of him, even if the market for him was not good. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 WGR just mentioned Joe Mixon and Diggs were discussing this a month ago? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: If the Bills are going to be a serious contender this year they need to trade for an Aiyuk, Higgins, or Jefferson. If not, then they need to make a massive trade up to get one of those top three WR prospects. That's the only way this team competes for a Super Bowl this year and it sucks if it doesn't happen. Higgins was franchise tagged, right? I think Aiyuk would make the most sense if they're looking for an established #1 guy. I'm more intrigued with the trade up for a rookie and you bring in a WR like Thomas that's kind of a low risk gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 36 minutes ago, Low Positive said: So you argue that the Bills traded the wrong player? NO. Diggs doesn't want to be here, so he should go. I argue the case for Diggs wanting to leave is a valid one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: They had Kelce and a top five defense. Kelce is a shadow of himself, honestly. He's still good but not the dominant force he used to be. And the Bills have a good defense too. There's really nothing to be panicking about, especially before the roster is even set. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 20 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: We've all heard the stories, but, ya got proof on this bull####, or do you just enjoy using the internet? Ahhh if there only was Social Media and Internet in the 90s with those Bills teams. Josh's "rumors" would be Saint like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 I don't know that we need to trade up too far. Puka was a 5th rounder. More related was Josh allen after many teams passed him over and most of this board upset when Bills selected him and not the other Josh. I would not trade too much to move up in round 1. Maybe trade later round or future picks to get another round two or move up in round 2 for a second maybe great wr this year amd hope one breaks out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 17 minutes ago, Low Positive said: Probably because they needed that draft pick before the draft so that they can trade it to move up. That's the only way that this makes sense. If that happens, your assuming that will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: They had Kelce and a top five defense. …and the Bills have Kincaid who had a very good rookie year and should be better in 2024. Every year the Bills have Allen, they will have a very good chance of making the playoffs…and the SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) Bad Short Term 2024 - disaster $31 mil dead cap hole for an elite player not on team. (pretend he got injured like von if it helps) Good Long Term 2025-2027 - clears alot of cap space. you can buy alot of groceries with that savings (cap hit zero going forward) 2025 - $27.3 mil 2026 - $28.4 mil 2027 - $22.5 mil Edited April 3 by papazoid 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 18 minutes ago, CaliBills said: Because Houston most likely doesn't make the trade post June 1st. Does anyone know what cap hit for next season is or is this it and next year we're clean of Diggs's contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Dr. K said: The terms of the trade, which seem quite bad for the Bills This is an uninformed take. Diggs' contract is HUGE. He's 31 and anyone can see how his performance has diminished. The Bills didn't have to give up anything significant in the '24 draft to make this happen and get them out from under that contract in a year, plus they got an additional piece of draft capital to go and get their guy this year if they want to (and pay him a rookie contract). I think the trade is a win for the Bills and a "to be determined" for the Texans -- but I understand why Caserio did it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 26 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: He is a celebrity QB? Cause he chose an accomplished intelligent woman as a partner and not his psycho high school sweetheart? Actually, he did choose his psycho high school sweetheart. Thery WERE LIVING TOGETHER at one point. If he decided he was done with her, that was a VERY IMMATURE way to tell her. Again, the lengths homers go to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 End of the day Beane should have traded him before giving that crazy extension 1 minute ago, eball said: This is an uninformed take. Diggs' contract is HUGE. He's 31 and anyone can see how his performance has diminished. The Bills didn't have to give up anything significant in the '24 draft to make this happen and get them out from under that contract in a year, plus they got an additional piece of draft capital to go and get their guy this year if they want to (and pay him a rookie contract). I think the trade is a win for the Bills and a "to be determined" for the Texans -- but I understand why Caserio did it. Are the just taking the cap hit this year and next season start over clean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 32 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said: Your anti-Allen dribble is quickly becoming tiring. How many times are you going to post the same thought over and over and over? Anyone want to start a poll on banning this troll? To be fair, with his user name choice, he let us know what to expect from God contributions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 The second round pick the Bills received came to Houston via the Vikings who are likely to be starting a rookie or journeyman QB. There is potential for the pick to be high second round. I am liking this trade better by the minute. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Does anyone know what cap hit for next season is or is this it and next year we're clean of Diggs's contract. There is no cap hit next year, it's all this year. Edited April 3 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 14 minutes ago, Commish said: Cosell on the trade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfWFFj1lsW8 I absolutely love this guy. And he is 100% correct. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 so we endured months of misinformation from so many sources telling us this was "impossible financially" and POOF..... there is no Diggs $ on our books after this season. All it took to do that was an extra 3.2 million hit above what he was already accounting for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: End of the day Beane should have traded him before giving that crazy extension Are the just taking the cap hit this year and next season start over clean? There is an pinned thread on the cap implications of this. In a nutshell, the Bills take the medicine this year and get 25 million in cap space in 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 32 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said: Your anti-Allen dribble is quickly becoming tiring. How many times are you going to post the same thought over and over and over? Anyone want to start a poll on banning this troll? Far from a troll. Big-time Bills fan, here. If you don't like my posts, block me. Quit acting like a baby while asking others to back you up. That's some weak 💩. Stand on your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: End of the day Beane should have traded him before giving that crazy extension Are the just taking the cap hit this year and next season start over clean? That "crazy" extension was how long ago? At the time it made sense given his production. Yes, the Bills will eat the dead cap from Diggs' bonus this year and be completely free of it in '25. In the meantime, they can pay a rookie WR peanuts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 8 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: WGR just mentioned Joe Mixon and Diggs were discussing this a month ago? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, BuffaloBill said: The second round pick the Bills received came to Houston via the Vikings who are likely to be starting a rookie or journeyman QB. There is potential for the pick to be high second round. I am liking this trade better by the minute. This years first and give the Vikings their 2025 2nd round pick back for Jefferson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 12 minutes ago, Commish said: Cosell on the trade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfWFFj1lsW8 He basically said, there was no market for him, and that he's not a true #1 WR or fully dimensional player anymore. Said he's a 30 year old declining possession receiver. Said he was our #1 by default, & doesn't expect him to get another big deal, or see the same kind of production. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: That's the "by the book" breakdown. Houston can take on any amount they want, and even trade us cash for a player. We'll have to see how this shakes out. houston could take on guarenteed money, but it can't take on dead money. dead money is money that is already paid to diggs, it can't be changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: so we endured months of misinformation from so many sources telling us this was "impossible financially" and POOF..... there is no Diggs $ on our books after this season. All it took to do that was an extra 3.2 million hit above what he was already accounting for And I am fine with it. No more bandaids to run it back with the older core again. Reset that cap in one year and move on. I still have the AFCE as the Bills to lose. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, eball said: That "crazy" extension was how long ago? At the time it made sense given his production. Yes, the Bills will eat the dead cap from Diggs' bonus this year and be completely free of it in '25. In the meantime, they can pay a rookie WR peanuts. Then I would combine the first this year and next plus another 3rd next season for a chance at Brian Thomas. I feel much better knowing Diggs's contract will be off the books next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aimee75 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 44 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: How? She didn’t lose her job despite her screw up by saying that on a hot mike. She was getting dragged left and right on social media, and fans JUMPED to Stefon's defense. It was unprofessional on her part, sure, but it gave you a little insight to what he was like behind the scenes, and people chose to ignore it. There is a saying. Quote When a person shows you who they are, believe them! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 My only question is how in the world are we giving up more picks to trade Diggs than what we are getting back? That doesn’t sound right… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, JaCrispy said: My only question is how in the world are we giving up more picks to trade Diggs than what we are getting back? That doesn’t sound right… The salary/contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: My only question is how in the world are we giving up more picks to trade Diggs than what we are getting back? That doesn’t sound right… It shows how Diggs is perceived across the league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Cant wait to hear what Sal (there is no possible way to move on from Diggs this year) has to say on my drive home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: My only question is how in the world are we giving up more picks to trade Diggs than what we are getting back? That doesn’t sound right… A 5th & a 6th have the same value as a 2nd? Would you feel better if we got back 3 7th round picks instead? 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: My only question is how in the world are we giving up more picks to trade Diggs than what we are getting back? That doesn’t sound right… A couple things. 1. volume of picks and value of picks are different things. You would rather have a 2 vs a 5 and 6. 2. This is often not understood....you trade contracts as much as players. The Texans are taking a toxic/crap contract off the Bills hands. So yes they are getting a player but it comes with a high AAV for them also. 3. Diggs is over 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CirclnWagons Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 I know money talks but how does the organization justify using one of Allen’s remaining prime years on a rebuild? Imagine going to work everyday knowing that you will not succeed for at least the next year. He’s counting the bucks but that would be hard for someone that competitive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: You dont make real life decisions on what was or what isnt. You make real life decisions on what is. You're also using the word "elite" very loosely when referring to last year. There were 4 Elite players at wideout last season, Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, CeeDee Lamb, and Amon Ra St Brown. Those guys put up huge numbers and were game changers. Not one of them played with a QB near as good as Josh Allen. We will find a new #1 wideout and hopefully he will be a more well adjusted person. Number one wide receivers aren't easily found Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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