One month out, who are Your Guys in the draft?

[Billl]

1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:

Kincaid wasn’t a raw prospect, he was a polished product. While he’s athletic, you couldn’t classify Kincaid as an athletic freak because he never tested during the pre draft process due to his back injury 

That’s not accurate at all in terms of bing a polished product.  A huge part of his draw was the fact that he was raw since he didn’t start playing football until his senior year of high school.

[gonzo1105]

30 minutes ago, Billl said:

That’s not accurate at all in terms of bing a polished product.  A huge part of his draw was the fact that he was raw since he didn’t start playing football until his senior year of high school.

At the FCS level(San Diego) 

Freshmen : 24 catches 374 and 11 TDs

Sophomore: 44 Catches 835 and 8TDs (AP FCS All American)

 

FBS level(Utah) 

2020: 1 start played in 5 games 

2021:  13 starts 36 catches 510 yards 8 TDs 

2022: 9 starts  70 catches 890 yards and 8 TDs (AP All American) 

 

Kincaid played 5 years of college football and played in 55 games. He started 24 games at Utah and started another 24 at San Diego. The man started 4 years of collegiate football and 4 1/2 years of college football.

 

Was an All American at both the FCS and FBS level before going pro and led the FBS in numerous categories as a TE. He wasn’t a raw prospect coming into the NFL 

 

In comparison to Legette: 

 

Freshmen: 0 starts 9 catches 80 yards 1 TD

 

Sophomore: 6 starts 7 catches 113 yards 0 TDs

 

Junior: 4 starts 8 catches 63 yards and a TD

 

Senior: 7 starts 18 catches 167 yards and 3 TDs

 

Covid Senior: 12 starts 71 catches 1,255 yard and 7 TDs(3rd team All American) 

 

Legette started 29 games for USC, 19 starts less than Kincaid and his stats for his first 4 years doesn’t even eclipse 1 year of Kincaids production. 
 

Legette exploded and that’s the question people will have to figure out whether the first 4 years were an aberration and he finally figured it out or not. 

Edited March 28 by gonzo1105

[warrior9]

6 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I just don't see it in him. I don't see a player that can separate with consistency. 

At this point, I don't disagree with you. He's far from a finished product. His family tree tells me he can and will become at LEAST a solid WR in the NFL, if nothing else, he will be a great special teamer. 

[warrior9]

5 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Keon Coleman

Mohamed Kamara

I think Keon Coleman will be a star in the NFL. Big bodied, makes contested catches, tough as nails, runs solid routes (I don't think FSU asked him to do much which means he can and will grow and learn from NFL coaches) and seems to be pretty damn competitive. 

[KingBoots8]

This is from a talent perspective of possible options we have available at our range of picks. Not necessarily an endorsement for taking these players, or in this order.

 

 

Day 1:

WR Brian Thomas Jr

WR AD Mitchell

DE Chop Robinson

CB Kool-Aid McKinstry

S    Cooper DeJean

C    Jackson Powers-Johnson

 

Late Day 1 / Early Day 2 (trade back options)

WR Ladd McConkey

WR Troy Franklin 

WR Xavier Worthy

WR Keon Coleman

 

Day 2:

DT Kris Jenkins

DT Ruke Orhoroho 

DE Adisa Isaac

DT Braden Fiske

DE Bralen Trice

WR Xavier Leggette

S    Cole Bishop

C    Cedric Van-Pran

WR Johnny Wilson

DE Marshawn Kneeland

CB Mike Sainistril

DT Maason Smith

 

 

 

IDEALLY: We get “our guy” at 28. However, I am a bigger fan for trading back this year to recoup a 3rd rounder because I feel like there are so many WR who can contribute if there are still a few left, or so many WR will go early forcing some really good players to fall. It takes 2 to tango, so you need a trade partner willing to move up, a player worth someone moving up for, and good compensation. If we traded to the mid-30s with someone like Arizona and got pick 90 I think that’s too good an offer to pass up, provided we are confident with who will be available later on. 
 

I listed more than I planned on, but these players are the ones I like the most in the top-100 pick range. 

[Snappysnackcakes]

Cooper DeJean. 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

McConkey, Jalynn Polk, Roman Wilson, Pearsall, and that brat WR from Alabama. 
Sorry I only scout one position 🤣

[GASabresIUFan]

1. Adonai Mitchell.  First of all the kid is named after G-d (Adonai is G-d in Hebrew).  That has to count for something.  He has played in 5 CFP games and caught a TD in each game. He is tall, fast and is everything this offense needs.  2nd fastest 40 time in the combine among WRs.  10TDS and averaged 15.9 yards per catch last season for the Longhorns

 

2. Javon Bullard.  We need a safety that tackles well, knows how to make the big play, (ask MHJr how hard he plays and hits) and can cover a WR.  That is Bullard.  Defensive MVP in the CFP semi-final (Peach Bowl) and CFP Title game in 2023.  QB rating when targeted in coverage last season - 36.6.

 

3. Sedric Van Pran.  We need a long-term starting center.  Van Pran started 43 consecutive games at center for UGA.  High football IQ, 2nd team all-American, 1st team all-SEC.  Captained an offense similar to what Brady wants to run in Buffalo. 

 

These three guys also all have a winning pedigree and each has 2 national championship rings. 

Edited March 30 by GASabresIUFan

[QLBillsFan]

Cole Bishop & Myles Cole 😂

[BillsShredder83]

10 hours ago, DeltaDigital said:

Franklin. idc who else. 

i was here, but combine was rough. now im a little unsure

[BillsFanForever19]

44 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

i was here, but combine was rough. now im a little unsure

 

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxjELuuXoO_GJMPSrqpCSJdfJRIAL64mpp

 

In all seriousness, if he's there in Round 2 - that's fine.

 

But him being ill at the Combine or not didn't change the measurements that I expected to be better. Or the amount of bad tape against subpar non-NFL prospect level CB's when you watch anything but the shiny highlight films.

 

And if his being ill was the reasoning for his less than expected 40 time and putrid 10 yard split - then why did he stand with those times instead of re-run them at his Pro Day?

Edited March 28 by BillsFanForever19

[Sweats]

Anyone but McConkey and Corum.......i'm a simple man, that's all i ask.

[warrior9]

11 hours ago, KingBoots8 said:

This is from a talent perspective of possible options we have available at our range of picks. Not necessarily an endorsement for taking these players, or in this order.

 

 

Day 1:

WR Brian Thomas Jr

WR AD Mitchell

DE Chop Robinson

CB Kool-Aid McKinstry

S    Cooper DeJean

C    Jackson Powers-Johnson

 

Late Day 1 / Early Day 2 (trade back options)

WR Ladd McConkey

WR Troy Franklin 

WR Xavier Worthy

WR Keon Coleman

 

Day 2:

DT Kris Jenkins

DT Ruke Orhoroho 

DE Adisa Isaac

DT Braden Fiske

DE Bralen Trice

WR Xavier Leggette

S    Cole Bishop

C    Cedric Van-Pran

WR Johnny Wilson

DE Marshawn Kneeland

CB Mike Sainistril

DT Maason Smith

 

 

 

IDEALLY: We get “our guy” at 28. However, I am a bigger fan for trading back this year to recoup a 3rd rounder because I feel like there are so many WR who can contribute if there are still a few left, or so many WR will go early forcing some really good players to fall. It takes 2 to tango, so you need a trade partner willing to move up, a player worth someone moving up for, and good compensation. If we traded to the mid-30s with someone like Arizona and got pick 90 I think that’s too good an offer to pass up, provided we are confident with who will be available later on. 
 

I listed more than I planned on, but these players are the ones I like the most in the top-100 pick range. 

if Sainistril is there in round 2, I think Beane puts the card in IMMEDIATELY. He is a "Process" / "Buffalo" guy through and through. I don't love the idea of corner in round 2 with some other holes on the roster but as we learned last year, can never have enough good ones. I'm hoping we are looking OL/ S/ DL in round 2. (in that oder)

[TFBillsfan]

21 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

I think he goes day 2.

I’d be okay to bundle some later round picks to move up to grab him if it makes sense. It’s highly likely most of the day 3 picks aren’t making the roster.

[Richard Noggin]

Couple of day three guys with upside:

 

Nehemiah Pritchett 

Cornelius Johnson

 

Day one guy who is a better fit than many Bills fans want to admit:

 

Cooper DeJean

 

Day two guy I'll bet the Bills are high on:

 

Marshawn Kneeland

Edited March 29 by Richard Noggin

[BillsFanForever19]

Outside of the Top 3 that will be long gone, Brian Thomas Jr., Adonai Mitchell, Xavier Worthy, Xavier Legette are the WR's I'd be happy with in Round 1.

 

Byron Murphy II or Johnny Newton are the only DT's id be happy with in Round 1.

 

Laiatu Latu is the only DE (outside of the others that will be long gone) that I'd be happy with in Round 1.

 

Outside of Round 1, I really like the idea of Braelon Allen at RB. Tyler Nubin, Javon Bullard, or Dadrion Taylor-Demerson at Safety. Kris Jenkins, Braden Fiske, Michael Hall Jr., Ruke Orhorhoro, or DeWayne Carter at DT. And I like Ja'Lynn Polk, Javon Baker, Jermaine Burton, Jalen McMillan, Brendan Rice, and Luke McCaffrey in the 60-128 range at WR.

[wppete]

1st Round
Brian Thomas Jr.

Cooper Dejean

Laiatu Latu

Jonny Newton

Byron Murphy

 

Im hoping one of these guys falls to us. 

[DCOrange]

I've really only scouted the QBs and WRs (and read about some other positions but I wouldn't really swear by anyone since I haven't watched their film.

• Drake Maye - To me, the #1 QB in the draft. For the life of me I do not understand the current buzz that Daniels and JJ could go ahead of him. I don't think those two are remotely close to Maye as a prospect.
• Javon Baker - I still need to watch film properly on him, but I feel like I kinda caught on to him before it was cool to like him which is always fun.
• Jacob Cowing - Might be too small to make it in the NFL, but his film was awesome to me. Really rooting for him at the next level.
• Keon Coleman - Feels like a pretty good chance he busts in the NFL, but he kinda reminds me of Josh Allen when he was coming out of Wyoming where despite all the evidence that we should avoid him, I like him.

[Richard Noggin]

27 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I've really only scouted the QBs and WRs (and read about some other positions but I wouldn't really swear by anyone since I haven't watched their film.

• Drake Maye - To me, the #1 QB in the draft. For the life of me I do not understand the current buzz that Daniels and JJ could go ahead of him. I don't think those two are remotely close to Maye as a prospect.
• Javon Baker - I still need to watch film properly on him, but I feel like I kinda caught on to him before it was cool to like him which is always fun.
• Jacob Cowing - Might be too small to make it in the NFL, but his film was awesome to me. Really rooting for him at the next level.
• Keon Coleman - Feels like a pretty good chance he busts in the NFL, but he kinda reminds me of Josh Allen when he was coming out of Wyoming where despite all the evidence that we should avoid him, I like him.

 

Coleman has become increasingly intriguing to me, despite some red flags that had me initially dismissing him. Not 100% sure about the Josh Allen comparison you put forth, because Allen had all the physical traits and then some, whereas Coleman apparently lacks the agility and acceleration you look for on day one. Both prospects were viewed as raw, for sure. Unrefined and/or inconsistent. I'm lately coming around to Coleman as a possible DAWG, like Allen, who still has so much room for improvement. 

 

Elite ball skills and body control in a big basketball frame (for a WR)? Sounds like an intriguing X option who might project better than he tests (with some work). That combine gauntlet was basically the best we've ever seen, beating out Puka Nacua's showing from the year prior. Coleman tests very similar to Nacua overall, turns out, but is taller and heavier. 

 

Can't shake the feeling he could be exactly what the Bills have been missing.

[FireChans]

I don’t know why I love Javon Bullard. I just do.

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

I don’t know why I love Javon Bullard. I just do.

 

Lot to like watching him. VERY instinctive. And he was coached by out CB coach - so he'll have the inside track on him and his fit here.

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Lot to like watching him. VERY instinctive. And he was coached by out CB coach - so he'll have the inside track on him and his fit here.

I'd like to end up with Legette (or Thomas/Mitchell, if they fall), Van Pran, and Bullard/Bishop by the end of day 2. Beane would have to make some trades to pull it off, but it's not a ridiculous ask. Then I'd take the best DT left on my board, and then the best RB. With what I have left, I take BPA, though I'd opt for OL and maybe a late round edge if it's a tie.

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

I'd like to end up with Legette (or Thomas/Mitchell, if they fall), Van Pran, and Bullard/Bishop by the end of day 2. Beane would have to make some trades to pull it off, but it's not a ridiculous ask. Then I'd take the best DT left on my board, and then the best RB. With what I have left, I take BPA, though I'd opt for OL and maybe a late round edge if it's a tie.

 

You know I'm with you on Legette and Bullard all the way. To the moon!

 

But I'm not in on Center before Day 3. Personally, I see what McGovern excels at being better suited at Center. And obviously, so do they. According to Beane, the plan in bringing him was to eventually move him to Center one day. 

 

In reading The Athletic article (https://theathletic.com/5348891/2024/03/19/connor-mcgovern-bills-center-transition?source=user-shared-article) - it's what McGovern's always wanted.

 

I don't see them telling him he's getting his wish, re-signing Edwards at a pay raise to start at LG (who was a consistent starter before last year and Kromer is a fan of), signing Clapp as depth who started most of last year for the Chargers, and then spending a premium pick on another Center.

Edited March 29 by BillsFanForever19

[Dr. Who]

5 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You know I'm with you on Legette and Bullard all the way. To the moon!

 

But I'm not in on Center before Day 3. Personally, I see what McGovern excels at being better suited at Center. And obviously, so do they. According to Beane, the plan in bringing him was to eventually move him to Center one day. 

 

In reading The Athletic article (https://theathletic.com/5348891/2024/03/19/connor-mcgovern-bills-center-transition?source=user-shared-article) - it's what McGovern's always wanted.

 

I don't see them telling him he's getting his wish, re-signing Edwards at a pay raise to start at LG (who was a consistent starter before last year and Kromer is a fan of), signing Clapp as depth who started most of last year for the Chargers, and then spending a premium pick on another Center.

If that is a true story, the day 2 Center won't happen. Move up DT -- Sweat, Jenkins, Fiske, there are a bunch of candidates. The main point is that while Beane "has work to do," what needs to be done is not some unlikely and super difficult task. A good GM can accomplish what needs to be done.

[SCBills]

 

[Nephilim17]

I'm hopijng for Thomas or Mitchell with Legette as my consolation prize. 

I have no illusions that I can predict who the Bills will take but I do guarantee this: If the Chiefs take a WR in the first, no matter who they take, half of this board will go into a panic and lose their minds.

[DeltaDigital]

On 3/28/2024 at 1:03 AM, BillsShredder83 said:

i was here, but combine was rough. now im a little unsure

hear ya, the tape dont lie tho... dudes a gamer with speed we severely lack. 

[OldTimer1960]

I guess I don’t have any big favorites - at least that are likely to be available at 28 and would be fits for the Bills.

 

I really like watching McConkey’s route running, but I don’t think the Bills will take him.  I would also like Latu, but he is unlikely to be available.  
 

Of the WRs that have a reasonable chance to be there, I guess I would go Mitchell, but I’m not super crazy about that.  
 

On the flip-side, I would be a little disappointed if they took Troy Franklin at 28 - if they took him somewhere in the 2nd I would Be more happy with it.

 

They need D, but I don’t have any big favorites besides Latu and maybe Verse.

 

Just get the best players they can with their picks.

 

5 minutes ago, DeltaDigital said:

hear ya, the tape dont lie tho... dudes a gamer with speed we severely lack. 

Samuel ran a faster 40 than Franklin and Shakir was in the same range.  They have some speed.  More speed with size is needed.

[Warriorspikes51]

BTJ / Xavier / Xavier 

 

Honourable mention to AD Mitchell, Troy Franklin, T. Sweat 

[gonzo1105]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

Caleb Williams- Bigger Kyler Murray

 

Drake Maye- Sam Darnold

 

Jayden Daniels- RGIII I like

 

JJ McCarthy- Matt Ryan

 

Michael Penix- Left handed Baker Mayfield 

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, Nephilim17 said:

I'm hopijng for Thomas or Mitchell with Legette as my consolation prize. 

I have no illusions that I can predict who the Bills will take but I do guarantee this: If the Chiefs take a WR in the first, no matter who they take, half of this board will go into a panic and lose their minds.

 

I have the same list in Round 1 plus Xavier Worthy and Xavier Legette is more than a consolation prize to me.

 

As for the Chiefs, people just need to accept they're going to get a WR too and believe whomever we take will be as good as theirs or better, whether it's before them or after them. We both have needs there and we're going to take a guy and they're going to take a guy. It just is what it is.

 

It's so annoying to me seeing people say "we have to trade up and make sure we get someone before the Chiefs" and "we CAN'T let the Chiefs get (x) player" - and then depending on who's saying that, it's literally every WR that should be in range. We all have our personal favorites. But there's no guarantee that who we take, whether we do it before them or after them, is going to end up the better NFL WR - and vice versa. Especially with how close in talent all of these guys are.

 

33 minutes ago, DeltaDigital said:

hear ya, the tape dont lie tho... dudes a gamer with speed we severely lack. 

 

Anytime I see this said, I know "the tape" being watched is just the highlight reel. Dig a little deeper and you'll see a lot of "lowlights". 

 

The scary thing about the Combine performance is it highlighted a lot of the stuff I saw on film. Especially the 1.61 10 Yard Split (which ranked dead LAST amongst all WR's) which explained a lot of footage of him struggling to get off the line (often against weak, non-NFL prospect CB's). His speed is a long gaining speed. Separation doesn't come until much later in the route. And of that speed, he tested slower than expected, nowhere near the guys he was expected to be at and slower than a lot of guys he was expected to smoke.

 

I was ready to accept maybe it was just because he was sick. Then his Pro Day came and he chose to stand by those times, instead of re-running. And that's not even taking into account the less than expected physical measurements that sickness has nothing to do with.

 

He's a 2nd Round Prospect to me and shouldn't be taken, and proabably won't be taken, before Thomas, Mitchell, Worthy, Legette, McConkey, or Coleman. If we take another position before WR in Round 1 and we take him somewhere in Round 2 with all of those guys gone - that's fine. At 28 and with any of those players available, i'd be disappointed.

Edited March 29 by BillsFanForever19

[ROCBillsBeliever]

On 3/27/2024 at 9:31 PM, Floydboy12 said:

Think if Dejean is there in round one you take him. He starts immediately at safety or maybe even corner. The cb from Boston College really fits what the Bills do. My guy at receiver is Corley but i am biased and we’ll have to see if he can run routes. He may slip and i hope he does and Bills can grab him in second. Think the Barton kid is gonna be a helluva center for years. 

 

Have to agree on Corley. Sadly, he is mostly a slot guy, so he'll basically help some other team beat us 😭

[GunnerBill]

On 3/27/2024 at 8:46 PM, LEBills said:

Troy Franklin is my WR4 after the normal top 3 receivers

 

i think if someone takes Byron Murphy ahead of Johnny Newton they are going to regret it.

 

Payton Wilson is the most fun LB to watch in this draft but Nathaniel Watson will be the biggest bargain

 

Chris Abrams-Draine is small but looked good in reps against Nabers and Legette

 

Give me Mo Komara and Marcus Harris on day 3

 

 

Only just seen this post but coming back to this thread.... we disagree on Franklin but I like most of the rest. Definitely think Newton is DT1 - he is my top defensive player let alone top defensive tackle! Wilson is gonna be pretty good I think but agree Watson, especially if it is day 3, is going to end up as a bargain starter for someone. My comp for Abrams-Draine is actually Trent McDuffie. I don't think he is as complete as McDuffie or as pro-ready but the play style and athletic profile really reminds me of him. I started the process higher on Kamara than I am now, but definitely agree on Harris. I think he could even be an option for the Bills as the rotational guy behind Ed.

Edited April 2 by GunnerBill

[SoonerBillsFan]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Only just seen this post but coming back to this thread.... we disagree on Franklin but I like most of the rest. Definitely think Newton is DT1 - he is my top defensive player let alone top defensive tackle! Wilson is gonna be pretty good I think but agree Watson, especially if it is day 3, is going to end up as a bargain starter for someone. My comp for Abrams-Draine is actually Trent McDuffie. I don't think he is as complete as McDuffie or as pro-ready but the play style and athletic profile really reminds me of him. I started the process higher on Kamara than I am now, but definitely agree on Harris. I think he could even be an option for the Bills as the rotational guy behind Ed.

I really want Sweat.  I have watched this kid and he is an absolute beast.  I am betting KC takes him at 32. Adding him to their DL is scary. 

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I really want Sweat.  I have watched this kid and he is an absolute beast.  I am betting KC takes him at 32. Adding him to their DL is scary. 

 

Certainly possible the Chiefs target a defensive tackle somewhere, Jones turns 30 in July and while they did bring Nnadi back to start at 1T he is only on a 1 year deal. I'm just not sure I see it being a big enough priority at #32 given their need at receiver and the gaping hole they have at left tackle. 

[nosejob]

Latu

Sweat

Legette

Walker

C.Bishop

Maason Smith