noacls Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 35 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: He's not wrong though... not everyone is on an NFL roster, much less playing or starting. So many keyboard warriors out there... And usually the people that say that are one. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 What possible grievance would there be to file? The dude was in a jet ski accident. It's the definition of a non football injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 17 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Couple of “strays” over here …. may nyheim be the rare professional athlete that has never complained about a coach, a ref, his wait staff, a taxi driver, a cashier, a cop, a cook, a housekeeper, a musician, his agent, a lawyer, a landscaper or contractor, or any other person in their professional role outside of fellow running backs and let’s be real, surely he’s complained about a sales person at least once. Edited February 3 by NoSaint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Let him fight it out in training camp with the WR's and Special team players. Its going to come down to that anyway.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) I would encourage everyone to read Joe B's breakdown of Bills road to get under the cap which includes options for Hines. It's excellent. I actually felt more optimistic after reading it. We might not have to do a complete teardown this year despite being objectively screwed. https://theathletic.com/5238669/2024/02/02/buffalo-bills-offseason-salary-cap/ Edited February 4 by VW82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On 1/25/2024 at 6:46 AM, T master said: If Hines does come back then get rid of Harty, he for sure can't be any worse than Harty was at running back kicks . But with that i would rather see Ty Johnson come back the guy was a improvement for the running game this year but kick returns could be much better !! I think that’s the plan I don’t see Harty in our future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 13 hours ago, That's No Moon said: What possible grievance would there be to file? The dude was in a jet ski accident. It's the definition of a non football injury. The NFLPA will file a grievance even in a losing battle. And his scenario, yes, he was on the Ski. But he was stationary filling up the tank. So there was some question as to whether the injury occurring while not riding and being a victim of someone hitting him really constituted as a breach of the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On 1/24/2024 at 5:31 PM, BillsFanForever19 said: Among most, if not all, posts talking about freeing up cap space - Nyheim Hines being released is mentioned. And in a vacuum, it seems like a no brainer type of move. But it appears it's not going to happen. I've touched on this in other posts a bit before but there's factors at play here. When the injury occured, his agent started speaking up about filing a grievance if he wasn't taken care of. Then it all went away. Beane and he came to an agreement. Hines would keep a portion of his money and not be released and in turn, most of his money for last season would come off the books - freeing up some cap space for last year and Hines and his people wouldn't file a grievance. I've been almost positive part of that agreement was he wouldn't be cut and given every opportunity to reclaim his job. Hines has said that he's going to be a Bill this year: https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-bills-nyheim-hines-injury-rehab-jet-ski-accident Yesterday at Beane's Year End Presser - he confirmed it. Nyheim Hines will not be an offseason cap casualty: (56:49 - 57:22) I'm not a capologist, so I don't know if there's any massaging that can be done to his contract to create some relief somewhere. But it's pretty clear that unless he is completely physically unable to perform, Nyheim Hines will be one of our RB's behind James Cook. I'm much bigger on Hines than most, dude is a flat out playmaker and was missed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Are people really losing their ***** because he got hurt These guys are people they are allowed to have lives and fun If they can’t perform, that’s on them I see no reason to tear them down over it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 if these two things are true $5,480,000 salary cap hit and only $500,000 dead cap HE'S GONE !! having said that, he might be back for something way less...like $2 mil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Anybody selling a jet ski? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Glad to see they treated him right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 5 pages on Nyheim ***** Hines. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On 1/24/2024 at 5:43 PM, John from Riverside said: Just don’t lose Ty Johnson Cook, Ty, Hines, with an older power HB on the P-Squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 On 1/24/2024 at 5:46 PM, BillsFanForever19 said: A chance to earn it. Which I think unless he's lost a step, he most likely will. I get what youre saying but before the injury he was not a $5M back. after seeing Tre/Von, but a player at the most unforgiving position, i just cant see any way he survives camp. would take a major cap reduction, and a kiss from God himself on that ACL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Perhaps this should be merged with the other thread on the homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 OP had an interesting take but was wrong. Case closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 35 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: OP had an interesting take but was wrong. Case closed. Just goes to show you nobody knows squat about anything. It's all speculation. The only constant is Josh Allen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 40 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: OP had an interesting take but was wrong. Case closed. actually I'd say decent chance he comes back here really cheap if no one offers him better $ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: actually I'd say decent chance he comes back here really cheap if no one offers him better $ I don't dispute that. But there's a thread for that. This thread is about a very particular theory that is now officially debunked. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 56 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: OP had an interesting take but was wrong. Case closed. Such an unnecessary "L" to take for @BillsFanForever19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 19 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: actually I'd say decent chance he comes back here really cheap if no one offers him better $ Which is why it is unbelievable people thought he was worth $5M. I am guessing he will get essentially vet min wherever he goes. Assuming there are any takers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 On 1/24/2024 at 10:40 PM, BillsFanForever19 said: It's not going to happen. Not at least until after the Pre-Season, if he proves to have lost a step. We could have voided his deal completely last year and been completely scot free of paying him a dime last year or this year. We didn't do it then, so why would they do it now that he's ready to come back and both Beane and he said he's coming back? I'm sure his number will drop via a paycut or some kind of restructure. But he'll be here. Well, it happened. no restructure. No paycut. He was cut and saved 4.66M, which was the only move to make involving Hines. An ultra speed back coming off what was said to be a possible career threatening injury. He’ll be back for close to the minimum and might make the team. Cutting him and was necessary. Glad that Beane didn’t make him any ridiculous promises as was speculated. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 So much for that, the “agreement” between parties was evidently different than reported…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 (edited) 5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Such an unnecessary "L" to take for @BillsFanForever19. 6 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: OP had an interesting take but was wrong. Case closed. 5 hours ago, Don Otreply said: So much for that, the “agreement” between parties was evidently different than reported…, Hesitant to bump this, but sometimes you just have to take the L. I was wrong here and it's a bit of a learning lesson. The wording of the release stating he'll "most likely be back for Training Camp from his ACL injury" says one of two things to me: 1.) He failed a physical and the injury was so bad that any hope that he'd be in good enough shape to start the season disappeared. In which case, all bets are off. or 2.) It's specifically referring to being back for us. In which case, the release was more of a case of being better for us to rip up his contract than it would be to restructure. We'll have to wait and see what Beane says about it. ATM, I lean towards probably the former. It's a tad confusing to me as to why we didn't just cut him last season when the NFI happened and you had the right to do so and not pay a single dime further. We didn't pay him much last season, but why pay anything then just to cut him now? Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I don’t have a factual answer for you, but I suspect that some information / circumstance occurred that made cutting him the answer…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Hesitant to bump this, but sometimes you just have to take the L. I was wrong here and it's a bit of a learning lesson. The wording of the release stating he'll "most likely be back for Training Camp from his ACL injury" says one of two things to me: 1.) He failed a physical and the injury was so bad that any hope that he'd be in good enough shape to start the season disappeared. In which case, all bets are off. or 2.) It's specifically referring to being back for us. In which case, the release was more of a case of being better for us to rip up his contract than it would be to restructure. We'll have to wait and see what Beane says about it. ATM, I lean towards probably the former. It's a tad confusing to me as to why we didn't just cut him last season when the NFI happened and you had the right to do so and not pay a single dime further. We didn't pay him much last season, but why pay anything then just to cut him now? I think he had to be medically cleared to be released without an injury settlement so I suspect #1 is probably not the case. But the reality is that he probably wasn't going to be nearly the same player in 2024 that he was prior to the ACL tear. I know many of us feared that Beane would do the wrong and "sentimental" thing with Hines........like he did when he allowed guys who screwed him with poor effort like Vernon Butler and Star Lotulelei to hang around with pay cuts..........but this really was an easy "no brainer" level decision to cut an injured RB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: I think he had to be medically cleared to be released without an injury settlement so I suspect #1 is probably not the case. But the reality is that he probably wasn't going to be nearly the same player in 2024 that he was prior to the ACL tear. I know many of us feared that Beane would do the wrong and "sentimental" thing with Hines........like he did when he allowed guys who screwed him with poor effort like Vernon Butler and Star Lotulelei to hang around with pay cuts..........but this really was an easy "no brainer" level decision to cut an injured RB. He has a $500k roster bonus due on 3/18/24. One of the big reasons these are included in so many contracts are cases like this. The team can pay it or not at their discretion (unless it is contractually guaranteed), so injury doesn’t prevent them from waiving the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: I think he had to be medically cleared to be released without an injury settlement so I suspect #1 is probably not the case. But the reality is that he probably wasn't going to be nearly the same player in 2024 that he was prior to the ACL tear. I know many of us feared that Beane would do the wrong and "sentimental" thing with Hines........like he did when he allowed guys who screwed him with poor effort like Vernon Butler and Star Lotulelei to hang around with pay cuts..........but this really was an easy "no brainer" level decision to cut an injured RB. 4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: He has a $500k roster bonus due on 3/18/24. One of the big reasons these are included in so many contracts are cases like this. The team can pay it or not at their discretion (unless it is contractually guaranteed), so injury doesn’t prevent them from waiving the player. He also hasn't officially been released as of yet, so he could still be released with an injury settlement when it officially goes through. We'll have to wait and see on that. Find it slightly interesting that we interviewed Braelon Allen and Audric Estime at the Combine. Guys who are considered 3rd or 4th Round Picks. With just Cook on the roster, I wonder if they're considering a RB a little higher than expected? Especially after the release of Hines and both guys being bigger and stronger runners that would compliment him well. Edited March 5 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: He also hasn't officially been released as of yet, so he could still be released with an injury settlement when it officially goes through. We'll have to wait and see on that. Find it slightly interesting that we interviewed Braelon Allen and Audric Estime at the Combine. Guys who are considered 3rd or 4th Round Picks. With just Cook on the roster, I wonder if they're considering a RB a little higher than expected? Especially after the release of Hines and both guys being bigger and stronger runners that would compliment him well. No on the injury settlement. Completely unnecessary and will not happen due to contract structure. This is literally why teams insist on including roster bonuses like the one in his contract. Absolutely yes on RB. Adding another quality RB is a very big need. Last season Cooks had 10 games of relatively light usage under Dorsey followed by very heavy usage for 9 games (including the 2 playoff games) under Brady. He broke down before the end of the season. No way can he handle that kind of workload for a whole season. They have to have another RB who can share the load if they’re going to be as run heavy as they were under Brady last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 1/24/2024 at 11:54 PM, Doc Brown said: I don't care what Beane says at the presser. If he can save 4.9 million by cutting him he's going to do it. Still don't care what Beane says at a presser. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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