JMM Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Anybody watch him in depth? I only admit I watched him a few plays in the first half in which he looked the same, no explosiveness, no bend, got washed out. Thinking they have to sit him for playoffs if that was all game. More reps to Espenesa and Jonathan please. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 He sucked. Nothing has or will change. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Who? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I noticed him a couple times when he did the bull rush, instead of edge rushing. He got some push, but didn't come close to threatening Tua. I suppose at this point he's kind of a decoy and makes other teams account for him. But opponents certainly don't need to double Von anymore. Those days are over, at least for now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Who? some tomato can that steals a roster spot bof players that are actually use full Edited January 8 by Pete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Who? Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 He made one good pass rush at the end But in the first half he was brutal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, zow2 said: I noticed him a couple times when he did the bull rush, instead of edge rushing. He got some push, but didn't come close to threatening Tua. I suppose at this point he's kind of a decoy and makes other teams account for him. But opponents certainly don't need to double Von anymore. Those days are over, at least for now. If he's a decoy but not drawing any extra attention from a team then he's simply not useful at this point. I had no issue with him getting a shot last night with us already in, but now we can't afford to mess with him anymore. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfronts Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 He is saving himself for the playoffs 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 7 minutes ago, JMM said: Anybody watch him in depth? I only admit I watched him a few plays in the first half in which he looked the same, no explosiveness, no bend, got washed out. Thinking they have to sit him for playoffs if that was all game. More reps to Espenesa and Jonathan please. Unfortunately I believe Von is done. Injury and father time is winning. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I didn't realize he was playing until today. That sort of tells you the impact he had on the game. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Done. At this point I wouldn’t be shocked if he was cut in training camp just to open up the roster spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Just now, PetermansRedemption said: Done. At this point I wouldn’t be shocked if he was cut in training camp just to open up the roster spot. There's no way. Dead cap hit is enormous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 7 minutes ago, zow2 said: I noticed him a couple times when he did the bull rush, instead of edge rushing. He got some push, but didn't come close to threatening Tua. I suppose at this point he's kind of a decoy and makes other teams account for him. But opponents certainly don't need to double Von anymore. Those days are over, at least for now. Idk if anyone is accounting for Von anymore. They watch the same film that we do. You could almost leave him unblocked. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I know I saw him out there on the field, but when I look at the stats his name doesn't appear. 👻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Please coaching staff, watch this tape and play Kingsley Jonathan. On Tua's game sealing pick, Von did get good push against the RT, but that's about as much as I noticed him. Most of the time he was pushed past the QB. There was one rush where #73 for the Dolphins just shocked Miller with his hands and made him stagger backwards. WGR 550 in the pregame said that before the game he was on the field and you can see an obvious limp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, Steptide said: There's no way. Dead cap hit is enormous Agree. Just saw its 32 million. I thought it was more 23-ish. I don’t think he gets cut for that. Stuck with him for one more year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Stadium Original Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I don't this was a game where you could judge Miller due to the quick release and rhythm passing of Tua. In fact, if you look at the stats of the D line it's pretty unimpressive. Oliver, who had been on a terror the last few games only had one tackle, and collectively the group had zero sacks. This doesn't mean he would have been making plays on longer dropbacks, but given the nature of the game, I would give him a grade of incomplete. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I imagine he would and should be inactive again next week. Run first Steelers, will need more beef on the edge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Pretty sure I saw miamis tackle pass von off to a tight end or running back to handle so he could double one of the bills DT's That can't be a good sign 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 4 minutes ago, Rich Stadium Original said: I don't this was a game where you could judge Miller due to the quick release and rhythm passing of Tua. In fact, if you look at the stats of the D line it's pretty unimpressive. Oliver, who had been on a terror the last few games only had one tackle, and collectively the group had zero sacks. This doesn't mean he would have been making plays on longer dropbacks, but given the nature of the game, I would give him a grade of incomplete. which Von game would you think he played well in? Miller has sucked every time he has been on the field this season 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 27 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: He sucked. Nothing has or will change. Fans are harsh. The guy was dominant last year up until the injury. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Fans are harsh. The guy was dominant last year up until the injury. Doesn’t mean we should judge his current play on what he was. It’s perfectly reasonable to believe he’s toast at this point. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 7 minutes ago, Rich Stadium Original said: Oliver, who had been on a terror the last few games only had one tackle, He at least drew a bunch of doubles, kicked some runs out of his gap and forced a couple rushed, inaccurate throws. Von had literally zero impact on that game (unless he was one of the Ends that repeatedly lost his gap on Miami counters early; I guess that would be an impact) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 He should be shut down for the season. It’s really that simple. In his current condition he brings no impact on the field. I’m surprised this staff continues to put him out again in critical moments in the game. When he’s in, he goes out of his way to avoid any contact outside of rushing the passer. For the amount of games he’s played in and to only have 3 tackles is embarrassing and reiterates he’s providing zero impact on the field. Really struggling to understand the coaching staff on this one. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 7 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: Doesn’t mean we should judge his current play on what he was. It’s perfectly reasonable to believe he’s toast at this point. Due to injury. It happens. It’s an unfortunate situation. I said after the injury it was such a bad luck injury for Von and the team. They couldn’t afford to waste all that cap space. Edited January 8 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Fans are harsh. The guy was dominant last year up until the injury. For what 8 games? Who cares? Who is he now? A 30 something year old, busted up, liability. Keep playing our youth. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Fans are harsh. The guy was dominant last year up until the injury. That was over a year ago, he's collected quite a few million since then. It was a bad contract, hopefully he has a mid level 2024 to get us to 2025 when we can release him. I'm not blaming Miller, he got injured at a late stage in his career, it sucks. But Beane should have never gave that contract, he probably had to for Miller to come. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Can’t say I noticed him good or bad during the game … but I saw some footage of him limping before the game …which is a worry …still not right … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) The 6 year contract was always a 3 year contract based on cap hit. ACLs take 2 years. He’s 34. But he’s also a champion unlike the posters on this board. Judge him next year. Edited January 8 by ToGoGo 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Von Miller is irrelevant. As far as I’m concerned, he and Hamlin can be a couple of Buffalo Jills. Wasted roster spots. 2 1 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said: That was over a year ago, he's collected quite a few million since then. It was a bad contract, hopefully he has a mid level 2024 to get us to 2025 when we can release him. I'm not blaming Miller, he got injured at a late stage in his career, it sucks. But Beane should have never gave that contract, he probably had to for Miller to come. Can’t really predict when he would tear his ACL. I don’t blame anyone. It’s just bad luck. Hopefully he still has something left but it’ll be tough to come back from an ACL at his age. It’s why edge was my number 1 need in the last offseason. Edited January 8 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 They are hurting the team dressing him. Put Kinsley Jonathan in there! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Von Miller is irrelevant. As far as I’m concerned, he and Hamlin can be a couple of Buffalo Jills. Wasted roster spots. Difference between the 2 is that Miller gets paid $20m a year and is definitely here next year .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Can’t really predict when he would tear his ACL. I don’t blame anyone. It’s just bad luck. Hopefully he still has something left but it’ll be tough to come back from an ACL at his age. It’s why edge was my number 1 need in the last offseason. Yeah, my comment on beane is definitely hindsight 20/20 type talk. I definitely don't blame Miller, still a stretch to think Miller would produce at a high level to 35/36 to justify the contract on beanes end. Hopefully it doesn't cost us resigning AJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I’ll be shocked and disappointed if he’s active for any of these playoff games, hopefully he bounces back and looks himself in training camp but I’m not holding my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Von was at LDE on Rapp's INT. He stunted inside & was starting to pressure the pocket up the middle, though he had no effect on the pass. But I agree, he should not have been out there in that situation. It looked like it may not have been a planned stunt & he just took the easier path. If that's the case, hopefully it's the final straw to not playing him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I didn’t realize he got in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 7 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said: Yeah, my comment on beane is definitely hindsight 20/20 type talk. I definitely don't blame Miller, still a stretch to think Miller would produce at a high level to 35/36 to justify the contract on beanes end. Hopefully it doesn't cost us resigning AJ. It was an and always will be a 3 year deal. Von tearing his ACL half way through year 1 basically ate up 2/3 of the contract. There’s very little chance he earns his salary next year either due to age. It’s unfortunate, but it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said: Done. At this point I wouldn’t be shocked if he was cut in training camp just to open up the roster spot. His contract is worrisome at this point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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