Can Buffalo catch the Dolphins?

[longtimebillsfan]

I believe that if the Bills finish 3-1 and beat the fins, we will win the division. 

 

Miami could easily go 1-3.  Possibly 0-4 if the Jets defense and Wilson play well.

 

Miami is really banged up.

 

It would not be the first time the fins took a nose dive in December.

Edited December 13, 2023 by longtimebillsfan

[FireChans]

100%

 

Dolphins are late season chokers in December.

 

2023: 1-1, bad loss to Titans already

2022: 0-4, (1-6 if you count January too)

 

And who can forget the win and you're in against the Bills backups and they lost by 20+ in 2020?

 

Tua is a good kid, they have a lot of talent. Deserve some respect but I will believe in the Fins when they can win some games when it gets tough.

[Playoffs?]

26 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

I believe that if the Bills finish 3-1 and beat th fins, we will win the division. 

 

Miami could easily go 1-3.  Possibly 0-4 if the Jets defense and Wilson play well.

 

Miami is really banged up.

 

It would not be the first time the fins took a nose dive in December.

If the Bills finish 3-1, and the Fins finish 2-2 or better, the Fins win the division, regardless of whether we beat them in wk 18.  
 

We either need to win out… or hope Miami loses 2 of their next 3 games… and THEN we beat them in Miami. 
 

No easy task for Buffalo. Gotta take care  of business. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

42 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

The math says its possible, but, Bills not a favorite to win the division.  small victory will be to beat the Phins again and knock them down the seeding in the playoffs.

If they beat the dolphins again they are 50/50 to win the division without picking any of the other games on the nyt playoff machine 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[FilthyBeast]

I still think the Dolphins are good enough to win the division and the get to the superbowl but unfortunately they are getting hit hard with injuries at the worst possible time.

 

If Tua is truly an MVP candidate he's going to need to take over the rest of the way and put the team on his shoulders or the Bills might very sneak up and steal the division again.

Edited December 13, 2023 by FilthyBeast

[ColoradoBills]

51 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

The math says its possible, but, Bills not a favorite to win the division.  small victory will be to beat the Phins again and knock them down the seeding in the playoffs.

 

The math says it's still possible to get the bye!

[vtnatefootball11]

24 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

If the Bills finish 3-1, and the Fins finish 2-2 or better, the Fins win the division, regardless of whether we beat them in wk 18.  
 

We either need to win out… or hope Miami loses 2 of their next 3 games… and THEN we beat them in Miami. 
 

No easy task for Buffalo. Gotta take care  of business. 

 

This is wrong.  Head to head is the first tie breaker for the division.  If Bills go 3-1 (with a win at MIA) and Fins go 2-2 (or worse), Bills win the division.  

[Captain Hindsight]

58 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

I believe that if the Bills finish 3-1 and beat th fins, we will win the division. 

 

Miami could easily go 1-3.  Possibly 0-4 if the Jets defense and Wilson play well.

 

Miami is really banged up.

 

It would not be the first time the fins took a nose dive in December.

Hard to swim when it gets cold 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

27 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

I still think the Dolphins are good enough to win the division and the get to the superbowl but unfortunately they are getting hit hard with injuries at the worst possible time.

 

If Tua is truly an MVP candidate he's going to need to take over the rest of the way and put the team on his shoulders or the Bills might very sneak up and steal the division again.

They’ve beaten 2 playoff teams in like 12 tries in the McDaniel tenure with both wins being very fluky early last season.  You think they’re a serious threat to win 3-4 in a row in the playoffs? At the rate they’re goin now it would take them almost 30 games to just beat 4 playoff teams not in a row 😂

tua is not an mvp candidate that is the main problem…he’s getting carried by his skill position players and not elevating the team when things aren’t working perfectly.  Good teams stop your offense from working perfectly 

 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[longtimebillsfan]

8 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Hard to swim when it gets cold 

Ouch! But funny.

[BearNorth]

With losing his center Williams for the year, the guy who calls pass protections, and just happened to be the top rated center in the league when he got hurt. that's a significant downgrade to his O-Line.   Do teams start upping the pressure on Tua, esp with Cheetah at less than 100%.

[Playoffs?]

10 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

 

This is wrong.  Head to head is the first tie breaker for the division.  If Bills go 3-1 (with a win at MIA) and Fins go 2-2 (or worse), Bills win the division.  

Nope. If the Fins go 2-2, they end at 11-6.  If the Bills go 3-1, they end at 10-7.  There is no tiebreaker. 

[BearNorth]

1 minute ago, Playoffs? said:

Nope. If the Fins go 2-2, they end at 11-6.  If the Bills go 3-1, they end at 10-7.  There is no tiebreaker. 

Yeah Bills don't have enough tiebreakers to make it with 7 losses, 11-6 or bust is the only way I see them making the playoffs.

 

[Playoffs?]

Just now, BearNorth said:

Yeah Bills don't have enough tiebreakers to make it with 7 losses, 11-6 or bust is the only way I see them making the playoffs.

 

Or the Fins have to finish 0-4… and we need 2-2 at least (with one of the wins being against Miami). 

[mannc]

1 hour ago, bigK14094 said:

The math says its possible, but, Bills not a favorite to win the division.  small victory will be to beat the Phins again and knock them down the seeding in the playoffs.

I know the oddsmakers still have Miami favored to win the division, but that's just silly.  They effectively have a one-game lead and they might not win another game, especially with Tyreek Hill banged up.  There's no way they should be favored by 9 against the Jets on Sunday.  I'll be surprised if we don't take the division.  

6 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Yeah Bills don't have enough tiebreakers to make it with 7 losses, 11-6 or bust is the only way I see them making the playoffs.

 

Nonsense.  The Dolphins could easily finish with only 10 wins, which would put us in at 10-7, assuming we beat them in week 18.

[ColoradoBills]

8 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Yeah Bills don't have enough tiebreakers to make it with 7 losses, 11-6 or bust is the only way I see them making the playoffs.

 

 

Not true.

[Gregg]

14 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Yeah Bills don't have enough tiebreakers to make it with 7 losses, 11-6 or bust is the only way I see them making the playoffs.

 

 

Miami is currently 9-4 and the Bills 7-6. If the Bills go 3-1 (with a win over Miami) and the Dolphins go 1-3 then both would be 10-7 with the Bills having swept the season series. 10-7 could still win them the division. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

17 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Yeah Bills don't have enough tiebreakers to make it with 7 losses, 11-6 or bust is the only way I see them making the playoffs.

 

They’re 84% to get in at 10-7 right now with a loss to Dallas according to the playoff simulator thingies….idk why this ‘we have to win out’ narrative keeps getting pushed especially with all the help we got this weekend. 

head to head tiebreaker doesnt always apply in a three way tie for a wildcard scenario too. Assuming we beat the chargers and pats our conference record is not that bad 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[frostbitmic]

Dallas is playing great and could beat both the Bills and Dolphins

 

The Bills should beat the Chargers and patriots, making the Bills 8-8 going into the Miami game.

 

Besides the Cowboys the Dolphins could lose to the Ravens and Jets making them 9-7 going into the Bills game. If the Bills beat them  and have the same record, Bills win the division

Edited December 13, 2023 by frostbitmic

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The Bills SHOULD catch Miami at this point. I know that there are no “sure things” but I’d be shocked if the Bills lost to Easton Stick or Bailey Zappe in “must-win” games. This week will be tough but they are playing Dallas at the right time. Last week was a huge emotional win for Dallas vs. their hated rival. This week has to be a bit of a letdown from an emotion standpoint. It’s a bit of a trap game for Dallas. 
 

Miami is not beating the Jets, Baltimore and Dallas. They will lose at least one of those. That means that the Bills play for the division in early January. 

Agree. I wish that Miami game would be a referendum on McDermott's future, but it won't be. He's coming back in 2024 no matter what. However if they have a chance at the AFC Division title and his defense blows it again maybe just maybe....

[Utah John]

14 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

I don’t know but if the Buffalo Bills make the playoffs they should be favored in a Buffalo at Miami playoff game because the Bills are more playoff experience compared to the Dolphins. Plus the Dolphins defense is terrible in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

The Dolphins have a great CB and a very good one too. Beyond that, not much on defense.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Dallas is playing great and could beat both the Bills and Dolphins

 

The Bills should beat the Chargers and patriots, making the Bills 8-8 going into the Miami game.

 

Besides the Cowboys the Dolphins could lose to the Ravens and Jets making them 9-7 going into the Bills game. If the Bills beat them  and have the same record, Bills win the division

Bills losing to cowboys and beating chargers and patriots make them 9-7 going into Miami not 8-8 

Just now, Utah John said:

The Dolphins have a great CB and a very good one too. Beyond that, not much on defense.

Who’s the good one? lol Xavien Howard has been on the decline for years 

[frostbitmic]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Bills losing to cowboys and beating chargers and patriots make them 9-7 going into Miami not 8-8 

I forgot to include the Chiefs win ... that makes it easier lol

 

[JohnNord]

14 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

This isn’t that far off… Tua is a good QB, but in the class of QB’s that need a lot of pieces around them to be successful - I think it’s Tier 2/3.  

So much of the offense is wisely built around Hill.  Not just passing but putting him in motion helps the run game significantly.

 

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The Bills SHOULD catch Miami at this point. I know that there are no “sure things” but I’d be shocked if the Bills lost to Easton Stick or Bailey Zappe in “must-win” games. This week will be tough but they are playing Dallas at the right time. Last week was a huge emotional win for Dallas vs. their hated rival. This week has to be a bit of a letdown from an emotion standpoint. It’s a bit of a trap game for Dallas. 
 

Miami is not beating the Jets, Baltimore and Dallas. They will lose at least one of those. That means that the Bills play for the division in early January. 

Miami has to lose two of those games if the Bills lose 1, right?

[ColoradoBills]

Some of you guys will drive yourself mad with the possibilities.

 

It is as simple as this:

 

1.  Bills MUST beat Miami in Week #18.

 

2.  For that game to decide the division, the Bills MUST have (at worse) a record no more than 1 game behind the Dolphins.

It doesn't matter if the records are tied or even if the Bills have a one game lead.  They still HAVE to beat Miami in Week #18.

 

It could be as crazy as the Fish with a 9-7 record and the Bills with an 8-8 record going into THAT final game!

[Warcodered]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Miami has to lose two of those games if the Bills lose 1, right?

Yes if the Bills lose 1 the Dolphins need to lose 2 more instead just 1 before our game, though that's very doable with their schedule and injuries.

Edited December 13, 2023 by Warcodered

[Utah John]

33 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Bills losing to cowboys and beating chargers and patriots make them 9-7 going into Miami not 8-8 

Who’s the good one? lol Xavien Howard has been on the decline for years 

Jalen Ramsey is a great CB.  Xavien Howard is very good but he gets a lot of action because teams avoid Ramsey.

26 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

This isn’t that far off… Tua is a good QB, but in the class of QB’s that need a lot of pieces around them to be successful - I think it’s Tier 2/3.  

So much of the offense is wisely built around Hill.  Not just passing but putting him in motion helps the run game significantly.

 

The Fins offense had a HUGE dropoff in all areas when Hill was on the sidelines.  It was amazing how much easier it was for the Titans to cover receivers and defend the run.  (Do the Fins even have a tight end?  They let Gesicki go and now they never seem to throw to whoever replaced him.)

28 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

This isn’t that far off… Tua is a good QB, but in the class of QB’s that need a lot of pieces around them to be successful - I think it’s Tier 2/3.  

So much of the offense is wisely built around Hill.  Not just passing but putting him in motion helps the run game significantly.

 

The Fins offense had a HUGE dropoff when Hill was on the sidelines.  The Titans suddenly were able to cover all the receivers and defend against the run.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Win the next 3 games and then ask the question.

[mannc]

25 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Some of you guys will drive yourself mad with the possibilities.

 

It is as simple as this:

 

1.  Bills MUST beat Miami in Week #18.

 

2.  For that game to decide the division, the Bills MUST have (at worse) a record no more than 1 game behind the Dolphins.

It doesn't matter if the records are tied or even if the Bills have a one game lead.  They still HAVE to beat Miami in Week #18.

 

It could be as crazy as the Fish with a 9-7 record and the Bills with an 8-8 record going into THAT final game!

100 percent.  The Phins' loss to the Titans was probably the most important non-Bills result of the year...Opened up all kinds of new possibilities for us.

[May Day 10]

If Buffalo beats Dallas or the jets beat Miami, there is a really good chance it will come down to the week 18 game at Miami

[hondo in seattle]

43 minutes ago, Utah John said:

The Dolphins have a great CB and a very good one too. Beyond that, not much on defense.

 

Who do we have?  

 

Hyde?  Poyer?  Miller?   All used to be great but aren't great anymore.

 

Milano?  Injured.  White?  Injured (again).   DQ?  Injured.

 

We do have Ed Oliver.  

[BillsShredder83]

14 hours ago, Just Jack said:

 

Just remember to keep emptying the tank till there's no more kids in the pool.  

Does this work without snipping? WFH has been real slow in December

[JohnNord]

15 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Who do we have?  

 

Hyde?  Poyer?  Miller?   All used to be great but aren't great anymore.

 

Milano?  Injured.  White?  Injured (again).   DQ?  Injured.

 

We do have Ed Oliver.  

Id say that’s selling both teams short.   The talent on the Miami defense is good.  I think Phillips being out hurts bad.  
 

But aside from the CB’s there is a solid Safety in Holland and also good players like Chubb and Wilkins and unheralded players like Van Ginkel and Sieler.  The defense has played better with Jalen in the lineup 

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, JohnNord said:

Id say that’s selling both teams short.   The talent on the Miami defense is good.  I think Phillips being out hurts bad.  
 

But aside from the CB’s there is a solid Safety in Holland and also good players like Chubb and Wilkins and unheralded players like Van Ginkel and Sieler.  The defense has played better with Jalen in the lineup 

And they add one more to the D. Ingram always plays well against us, too. Softens the blow from losing Phillips.

 

However, still does nothing to help their OL.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

35 minutes ago, Utah John said:

Jalen Ramsey is a great CB.  Xavien Howard is very good but he gets a lot of action because teams avoid Ramsey.

The Fins offense had a HUGE dropoff in all areas when Hill was on the sidelines.  It was amazing how much easier it was for the Titans to cover receivers and defend the run.  (Do the Fins even have a tight end?  They let Gesicki go and now they never seem to throw to whoever replaced him.)

The Fins offense had a HUGE dropoff when Hill was on the sidelines.  The Titans suddenly were able to cover all the receivers and defend against the run.  

Its looked the other way around to me personally…Xavien Howard had a terrible 2022 and didn’t look good early this season either pre Jalen Ramsey getting in the lineup.  With Ramsey playing he’s getting easier matchups though and he’s lookin not too bad…far cry from his prime though 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

30 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Who do we have?  

 

Hyde?  Poyer?  Miller?   All used to be great but aren't great anymore.

 

Milano?  Injured.  White?  Injured (again).   DQ?  Injured.

 

We do have Ed Oliver.  

The bills have a lot of solid defensive players that are pretty well rounded.  Douglas/benford have quietly been playing really well too. 
 

the dolphins are bizarre they’ve got a good corner,an ok corner, and then a whole bunch of pass rush specialist linebackers lol

[zow2]

15 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

And they add one more to the D. Ingram always plays well against us, too. Softens the blow from losing Phillips.

 

However, still does nothing to help their OL.

 

If he's so good, why is he available to be signed now?

[JohnNord]

28 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

And they add one more to the D. Ingram always plays well against us, too. Softens the blow from losing Phillips.

 

However, still does nothing to help their OL.

Yes and no.  He’ll be good for a few reps but there’s also a reason he was on his couch until week 13.  The gap between Ingram and Phillips in 2023 is wide

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, frostbitmic said:

Dallas is playing great and could beat both the Bills and Dolphins

 

 

The Cowboys are a well built team but I haven't seen all the games and I think a lot of their hype this week is due to their humbling of the Eagles on national TV. Was it their best game of the year? In which they are ripe for a letdown. One can argue the same for the Bills but we have much more to lose than the Cowboys.