Simon Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 #1 - The Latavius Murray "catch" that was squaring things up for the Kelce "catch" #2 - The awful contact call on Sherfield's pick on 3rd/10 that gave the Bills a first down around the 20 and a legit chance to ice the game. Two huge fourth quarter calls that made it look like the NFL wants the Bills still in the hunt. 2 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Just now, Simon said: #1 - The Latavius Murray "catch" that was squaring things up for the Kelce "catch" #2 - The awful contact call on Sherfield's pick on 3rd/10 that gave the Bills a first down around the 20 and a legit chance to ice the game. Two huge fourth quarter calls that made it look like the NFL wants the Bills still in the hunt. Agree with you.and can add Toney offside. Was it a penalty ? Yea!? Just critical play there bills finally benefited 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 How about the absolute hold against Kincaid that wasn’t called? 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Murray's was borderline - hard to overturn the call on the field either way. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Simon said: #1 - The Latavius Murray "catch" that was squaring things up for the Kelce "catch" #2 - The awful contact call on Sherfield's pick on 3rd/10 that gave the Bills a first down around the 20 and a legit chance to ice the game. Two huge fourth quarter calls that made it look like the NFL wants the Bills still in the hunt. It's all about the storylines. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Simon said: #1 - The Latavius Murray "catch" that was squaring things up for the Kelce "catch" #2 - The awful contact call on Sherfield's pick on 3rd/10 that gave the Bills a first down around the 20 and a legit chance to ice the game. Two huge fourth quarter calls that made it look like the NFL wants the Bills still in the hunt. I know you’re kidding, but many others won’t! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 I still can't believe that Murray "catch" wasn't overturned. Not that it mattered because we ended up at like 4th and 99 and punted after he caught it. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Xwnyer said: How about the absolute hold against Kincaid that wasn’t called? Just guys working at the top of a route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Just now, Success said: Murray's was borderline - hard to overturn the call on the field either way. No, it was clearly 3 steps. Not even remotely questionable when you look at the replay 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 Just now, dave mcbride said: I know you’re kidding, but many others won’t! It's tongue in cheek, but those were two hinky calls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNTANBILLS FAN Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Success said: Murray's was borderline - hard to overturn the call on the field either way. About home we got one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Simon said: #1 - The Latavius Murray "catch" that was squaring things up for the Kelce "catch" #2 - The awful contact call on Sherfield's pick on 3rd/10 that gave the Bills a first down around the 20 and a legit chance to ice the game. Two huge fourth quarter calls that made it look like the NFL wants the Bills still in the hunt. I agree that was fishy. Also the Toney Offside I’m sure happens all the time and they never call it. He was 4 inches past the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Bills receivers were being held/illegal contacted all game long and nothing was being called, ala the AFC Championship Game...force the ref to make those calls and they weren't making them. Leonard Floyd in particular was being held nearly every play it seemed like but didn't get a call either... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 how much does it suck that a thread like this need exist. That''s a lament because the facts are real and visible. The thread will have legs and its not a fun happy look for the NFL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Good. They’ve screwed us out of wins against the Patriots and Eagles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Just now, Simon said: It's tongue in cheek, but those were two hinky calls He CLEARLY got 3 feet down and the hold was a freaking bearhug. Just obvious. I agreed with the no-call on kincaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, DapperCam said: I agree that was fishy. Also the Toney Offside I’m sure happens all the time and they never call it. He was 4 inches past the ball. If it was the boundary receiver, stripes might have told him he was off...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Anyone think the two back to back holding calls on our tackles after the Murray "catch" were scripted? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Bills got the messavge late form the league they had their backs so they could throw on first down and second down with 2:12 the appreciated the plays in thier passing league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Simon said: #1 - The Latavius Murray "catch" that was squaring things up for the Kelce "catch" #2 - The awful contact call on Sherfield's pick on 3rd/10 that gave the Bills a first down around the 20 and a legit chance to ice the game. Two huge fourth quarter calls that made it look like the NFL wants the Bills still in the hunt. 100% It's better for the NFL to have Allen in the postseason. The Murray catch was not a catch. The Kelce catch was not a catch. If they called holding on us in that situation I would be livid. It was a mundane play. I will take it as so many of these go against us but it's weird being on the other side of these calls. They did seem to make it up with some offensive holding calls on us in the 4th quarter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 minute ago, DapperCam said: I agree that was fishy. Also the Toney Offside I’m sure happens all the time and they never call it. He was 4 inches past the ball. Dee Ford wants to have a word with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Simon said: #1 - The Latavius Murray "catch" that was squaring things up for the Kelce "catch" #2 - The awful contact call on Sherfield's pick on 3rd/10 that gave the Bills a first down around the 20 and a legit chance to ice the game. Two huge fourth quarter calls that made it look like the NFL wants the Bills still in the hunt. Completely agree. I was shocked they didn’t overturn the Murray catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He CLEARLY got 3 feet down and the hold was a freaking bearhug. Just obvious. I agreed with the no-call on kincaid. I'm not going to have an ongoing debate about officiating so I'll say a couple things and zip it. #1 - In no football game that I'm familiar with is that ever a catch; like Kelce's "catch" it was just another example of the problems that micro-officiating have led us to. #2 - It's a designed pick play for Sherfield and Shakir, and Trent went after it like he'd just heard a joke about his Momma; no flag should have ever come out there and if one stupidly did, it was just as much on Sherfield as the DB and imo, more on him for clearly initiating the contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, Success said: Murray's was borderline - hard to overturn the call on the field either way. Yet they overturned Kelce's "catch" also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, DapperCam said: I agree that was fishy. Also the Toney Offside I’m sure happens all the time and they never call it. He was 4 inches past the ball. not that blatantly it doesn’t. Edited December 11, 2023 by RiotAct 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Simon said: If it was the boundary receiver, stripes might have told him he was Offside..... That's what I was thinking. The outside wr's usually ask the officials if they are lined up "ok". 9/10 times that is called on the defense because the linemen are so bunched up and close to the ball. Toney shoulda known where he was. Total brain fart by him. Bills defense have been nailed twice for it this season. So I don't feel bad. Another non-call was when Josh threw the pick. Sherfield was tackled on that play. Was a bad throw by Josh, but DPI shoulda been called. Edited December 11, 2023 by Bubba Gump 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 28 minutes ago, Simon said: Just guys working at the top of a route not the Kincaid one. That was a blatant hold by the linebacker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 30 minutes ago, Success said: Murray's was borderline - hard to overturn the call on the field either way. It was like AJ browns but the it was called a completion on the field. The ball is caught over his head and dropped at his waist. I think that’s an easy call my self. NFL complicates ***** though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: not the Kincaid one. That was a blatant hold by the linebacker. There was certainly contact, but that's what the sport is about. I think we've been conditioned by the over-officiating of the last decade to think that any contact deserves a flag every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Simon said: If it was the boundary receiver, stripes might have told him he was off...... My understanding is if the player asks then the ref will tell him, if he doesn't then...flag. Sometimes. Edited December 11, 2023 by Coastie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 36 minutes ago, Simon said: #1 - The Latavius Murray "catch" that was squaring things up for the Kelce "catch" #2 - The awful contact call on Sherfield's pick on 3rd/10 that gave the Bills a first down around the 20 and a legit chance to ice the game. Two huge fourth quarter calls that made it look like the NFL wants the Bills still in the hunt. Are we seriously starting this thread? After we finally pulled a game out after having so many things go against us? I'll add one - Blatant missed DPI call on Diggs around 2 min warning in 2nd half. 34 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I know you’re kidding, but many others won’t! I didn't, so I apologize....egg on my face! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 Just now, BufBills83 said: Are we seriously starting this thread? After we finally pulled a game out after having so many things go against us? I'll add one - Blatant missed DPI call on Diggs around 2 min warning in 2nd half. You mean the one where Diggs also had him hooked by the collar so he couldn't make a play on the ball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Simon said: There was certainly contact, but that's what the sport is about. I think we've been conditioned by the over-officiating of the last decade to think that any contact deserves a flag every time. I’m not talking about contact though. I’m talking about a hold. Not sure we are talking about the same play. It was a blatant hold that clearly slowed Kincaid down that was not called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Simon said: There was certainly contact, but that's what the sport is about. I think we've been conditioned by the over-officiating of the last decade to think that any contact deserves a flag every time. I mean the chiefs did win the sb on a ticky tack one as well. I differ from you just slightly. Kelce wasn't a catch Murray wasn't a catch Interesting in both situations "ball don't lie" came through for each teams defense. However I think they got that sherfield call correct. That's just too much contact imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 38 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said: I still can't believe that Murray "catch" wasn't overturned. Not that it mattered because we ended up at like 4th and 99 and punted after he caught it. I was genuinely surprised too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Murray never had possession and if you disagree you’re a homer. I was shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 minute ago, ALLinALLEN said: Murray never had possession and if you disagree you’re a homer. I was shocked. This is what I thought too. I never thought he ever had possession. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Coastie said: My understanding is if the player asks then the ref will tell him, if he doesn't then...l flag. Sometimes. Yeah, it's an odd relationship out there. But I've never known a ref to tell a slot guy that he's off; they aren't going to be yelling that across the field. I could foresee a memo coming down from the league office telling officials to be uniform in how they deal with that; it would fit right in with their need to micromanage everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 45 minutes ago, balln said: Agree with you.and can add Toney offside. Was it a penalty ? Yea!? Just critical play there bills finally benefited The flag came out before the play at all. Picking it up was impossible given it was blatant, obvious, and indisputable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Simon said: There was certainly contact, but that's what the sport is about. I think we've been conditioned by the over-officiating of the last decade to think that any contact deserves a flag every time. In addition to more rules, and faster play…. the 72 cameras from every angle giving instant hi def replays of so many extra pieces of the game followed by all 22 we can break down at home has been both amazing and awful for the fan experience. the classic truth is that every play has a hold, a pass interference, and a wide receiver that flashes open. It’s so hard to thread the needle of officiating it with both the letter and spirit of the rules in mind we used to sometimes see one grainy weird angle and maybe it was a big enough mistake to flash once on the 6 o’clock news 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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