Per Benjamin Allbright, McDermott's "seat is warm"

JohnNord · November 29, 2023

14 minutes ago, juno999 said:

McD promoted Dorsey even though he had no experience as an OC. This was a bad hire and another mistake by McD. Not a firable offense by itself but just one more reason to make a change at HC.

My biggest issue with McD is he loses too many games that they should win. Over his entire tenure as coach. Too many turnovers, penalties, mistakes, missed assignments, dropped passes, wrong use of timeouts, bad challenges, and too many men on a missed GWFGA.

A few isolated losses here and there where a player blows it, ok that happens to every team, but there is just too much overall inconsistency with this team. This team has talent and should be playing at a higher level of play. They are underperforming and that is the HC's fault. He's gotta go.

I think the Dorsey hire looks bad in hindsight but in January 2022. Josh had an incredible game against KC and you wanted to keep as much consistency around the offense with Daboll leaving. Plus Dorsey was Josh’s preference as OC. I think they could have replaced him after season one but once again it was the coordinator Josh wanted. They also had their moments and were ranked highly last season offensively, so keeping him was no stretch.

Both McDermott and Beane showed patience and faith and once it was clear it wasn’t working they made a move

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

the Bills needing the breaks to fall their way to lose 10-3 in the wildcard vs KC needing the breaks to fall their way to win the SB does not help your argument imo

It completely does because it’s the same thing. You’re playing the whole “if…then” game. We could do this all day.

I’ll start…If Scott Norwood doesn’t miss the FG in SB25 the Bills go on to win 2 more.

If the Bills stopped the home run throwback they would win the SB in 2001.

Since you love to play If-Then, I’m sure you have others.

GoBills808 · November 29, 2023

14 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I think the Dorsey hire looks bad in hindsight but in January 2022. Josh had an incredible game against KC and you wanted to keep as much consistency around the offense with Daboll leaving. Plus Dorsey was Josh’s preference as OC. I think they could have replaced him after season one but once again it was the coordinator Josh wanted. They also had their moments and were ranked highly last season offensively, so keeping him was no stretch.

Both McDermott and Beane showed patience and faith and once it was clear it wasn’t working they made a move

It completely does because it’s the same thing. You’re playing the whole “if…then” game. We could do this all day.

I’ll start…If Scott Norwood doesn’t miss the FG in SB25 the Bills go on to win 2 more.

If the Bills stopped the home run throwback they would win the SB in 2001.

Since you love to play If-Then, I’m sure you have others.

To be clear that's not what I'm saying

I'm saying I don't find making the playoffs in 2017 a particularly compelling point in McDermott's favor

JohnNord · November 29, 2023

Just now, GoBills808 said:

To be clear that's not what I'm saying

I'm saying I don't find making the playoffs in 2017 a particularly compelling point in McDermott's favor

Overall I don’t really either. The person who started this argument said he was no better than Doug Marrone in 2014 which I disagreed with.

I think the coaching job McDermott did with the a lousy roster in 2017 was far superior to any of the previous Bills coaches during the drought. He did more with much less

Nextmanup · November 29, 2023

On 11/26/2023 at 8:47 PM, Beast said:

Now, I would love to see the Bills go in another direction but, unfortunately, I just don’t see that happening.

I think a lot of fans agree with this, but I think it's actually possible, this year.

Not highly likely, but possible. How the season ends will play a role.

Doc · November 29, 2023

It’s playoffs or bust for McD.

Wayne Arnold · November 29, 2023

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I don’t really get how he’s cowardly. I mean I’m not saying he’s good by any means but he’s been bringing arguably too much heat on those game winning drives for the other team 😂.

is he cowardly for not going for that 4th and medium in ot? I don’t think any coach is going for that in that spot. The eagles would only be in 4 down territory until field goal range and if you hold them to a fg the next score wins

He's cowardly for kneeling the ball and depending on a 50/50 coin flip instead of his generational quarterback, an OLine playing great, the best WR this franchise has ever had.

Gregg · November 29, 2023

Throwing this out there. It was the back page story on yesterday's Daily News and Jay Glazer has also reported it. There is tension between Daboll and Wink Martindale. Glazer even hinted that Martindale might not even finish the season. This is one of those where there is smoke there is fire deals. Assuming Sean is back in 2024 but gives up the DC duties. Any interest in Martindale as DC if he leaves the Giants. Something to keep an eye on.

Coach Tuesday · November 29, 2023

From today’s Athletic, former GM Randy Mueller:

To be fair, some of the Bills’ issues are injury-related, but some have been a function of McDermott’s ill-timed blitzes and less-than-ideal execution. By replacing his defensive coordinator last off-season and installing himself, he has to be directly accountable for the unit’s results. His somewhat defensive responses to questions about his decisions are seen by some as an effort to pass the buck. I would love to see more transparent self-accountability. Sometimes a little humility can go a long way.

Bruffalo · November 29, 2023

With the reports about Lawson and Phillips going ballistic towards an Eagles' fan (initially reported he was making death threats, but new footage shows that likely was not the case), I feel like this is just more fuel to the fire that McDermott doesn't have this team focused and prepared for the adversity of playing these big games.

The team is sloppy (not excusing the awful refereeing though) and that's falling on the HC.

Generic_Bills_Fan · November 30, 2023

17 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

He's cowardly for kneeling the ball and depending on a 50/50 coin flip instead of his generational quarterback, an OLine playing great, the best WR this franchise has ever had.

I’m all for firing a guy not getting results and will def not defend all mcdermotts actions but I really think you can justify either decision that specific time

20 seconds to drive down the field in a bad weather game where your receivers already dropped 6-7 passes to get in fringe field goal range for a struggling kicker feels like it’s just as likely to lose you the game as win you the game

On 11/28/2023 at 8:24 PM, Nextmanup said:

I think a lot of fans agree with this, but I think it's actually possible, this year.

Not highly likely, but possible. How the season ends will play a role.

I think if we go 9-8 or 10-7 and just miss the playoffs he probably stays. Losing record though and he’s done imo

LabattBlue · November 30, 2023

@Simon Why is Allbright not a “random talking head”? 😂

Simon · November 30, 2023

3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

@Simon Why is Allbright not a “random talking head”? 😂

In the first couple hours it was posted it had already generated about 10 pages of quality conversation from multiple thoughtful posters.

By the time I saw it, it wasn't something I wanted to bury when that many people were engaged.

AZSanta · November 30, 2023

McDermott has to go after this season. I think most of us can agree on that. No fan base comes together and gets something done the way Bills Mafia does. I’m calling for every single one of us to flood One Bills Drive with emails, letters, calls, whatever is needed to convince Pegula we do not want Mcdumbass coaching this team next year. I will be forever be thankful he was able to end the drought in his first season. Unfortunately, that was his greatest accomplishment. He doesn’t have what it takes to be a head coach in the NFL. Any coach will have a high % winning record with Josh Allen as QB. We can not waste another season of Allen’s prims years with him as our coach. Let’s get it done Mafia. Who’s with me?

mannc · November 30, 2023

On 11/28/2023 at 5:21 PM, JohnNord said:

Overall I don’t really either. The person who started this argument said he was no better than Doug Marrone in 2014 which I disagreed with.

I think the coaching job McDermott did with the a lousy roster in 2017 was far superior to any of the previous Bills coaches during the drought. He did more with much less

That lousy roster was good enough the previous year (before the addition of White, Dawkins and Milano) to win 8 games under the amazing leadership of Wrex Ryan.

JohnNord · November 30, 2023

1 minute ago, mannc said:

That lousy roster was good enough the previous year (before the addition of White, Dawkins and Milano) to win 8 games under the amazing leadership of Wrex Ryan.

It was a much worse roster…and they won 7 games, not 8.

BuffaloBillyG · November 30, 2023

17 minutes ago, AZSanta said:

McDermott has to go after this season. I think most of us can agree on that. No fan base comes together and gets something done the way Bills Mafia does. I’m calling for every single one of us to flood One Bills Drive with emails, letters, calls, whatever is needed to convince Pegula we do not want Mcdumbass coaching this team next year. I will be forever be thankful he was able to end the drought in his first season. Unfortunately, that was his greatest accomplishment. He doesn’t have what it takes to be a head coach in the NFL. Any coach will have a high % winning record with Josh Allen as QB. We can not waste another season of Allen’s prims years with him as our coach. Let’s get it done Mafia. Who’s with me?

streaking will ferrell GIF

Same vibe😂😂

mannc · November 30, 2023

6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

It was a much worse roster…and they won 7 games, not 8.

The Bills would have won 8 that year, but Pegula fired Ryan before the last game of the season because Ryan was going to try to win against the Jets, who were pathetic in 2017. Tyrod was benched and the mini-tank improved the Bills’ draft slot from 16 to 10.

FLFan · November 30, 2023

24 minutes ago, AZSanta said:

McDermott has to go after this season. I think most of us can agree on that. No fan base comes together and gets something done the way Bills Mafia does. I’m calling for every single one of us to flood One Bills Drive with emails, letters, calls, whatever is needed to convince Pegula we do not want Mcdumbass coaching this team next year. I will be forever be thankful he was able to end the drought in his first season. Unfortunately, that was his greatest accomplishment. He doesn’t have what it takes to be a head coach in the NFL. Any coach will have a high % winning record with Josh Allen as QB. We can not waste another season of Allen’s prims years with him as our coach. Let’s get it done Mafia. Who’s with me?

If that does not work, you could try holding your breath and stomping your feet.

JohnNord · November 30, 2023

17 minutes ago, mannc said:

The Bills would have won 8 that year, but Pegula fired Ryan before the last game of the season because Ryan was going to try to win against the Jets, who were pathetic in 2017. Tyrod was benched and the mini-tank improved the Bills’ draft slot from 16 to 10.

LOL so they didn’t win 8 games like you said?

mannc · November 30, 2023

Just now, JohnNord said:

LOL so they didn’t win 8 games like you said?

They were a .500 team that intentionally lost the last game of the season, like I said.

HappyDays · November 30, 2023

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Although additional calamities may befall McDermott over the next month and half and alter the organization’s plans, four sources familiar with Terry Pegula’s thinking tell The Athletic the Bills’ owner has neither the desire nor plans to make a coaching change.

The sources requested anonymity because they weren’t authorized to speak on the record.

Asked if there was any chance Pegula would fire McDermott, two of the sources replied “Zero.” The other two sources said they would be shocked if Pegula made such a move. All four sources have intimate knowledge of the Pegula-McDermott relationship.

The sources said Pegula still holds McDermott in high regard despite this year’s dip and doesn’t want to meddle with the strong working bond McDermott has with Bills general manager Brandon Beane.

Straight Hucklebuck · November 30, 2023

On 11/26/2023 at 8:32 PM, HappyDays said:

Thanks Ben for this ground breaking report!

Mister Defense · December 1, 2023

Allbright seems like he just says things to get attention and has some kind of personality disorder.

The way he states it he indicates he has a direct link to someone very high in the Bills organization.

Why would anyone ever just accept this guy's word for it---or anyone like this? Sounds like a BS artist who has been caught in lie after lie about his life.

just1hugheser · December 6, 2023

Agreed, I've been calling for his firing since our loss to Houston/Watson in the playoffs, even then his coaching decisions could be seen to limit his roster, I said I'd give him a chance to learn from his mistakes/experiences and he just hasn't, if anything he has gotten worse maybe ptsd from losing soo many games that he shouldnt have, especially the close ones and the ones where the offense took the lead with less than 2min and 30 seconds to play and we still somehow lose.

Ive felt like Ive been living in a world where people cannot accept reality as it is, which I guess is true now that everyone lives in their own personal realities(safety bubbles where their specific beliefs are constantly reinforced as correct despite reality) that have been tailored specifically for each individual through their socials.

History is repeating itself, I'll bring something blasphemous to the conversation;

Marv Levy was a great leader and built a family culture that kept a talented roster together longer than might have been accomplished otherwise(that and all the winning they were doing sure helps keep teams together). They would regularly dominant the regular season and then get seriously outcoached in the playoffs/super bowl, between 1989 -1996 we had a top 5 roster no question, and despite making it to the playoffs/super bowls still couldnt seal the deal.

Bills- Ralph Wilson, Bill Polian, John Butler, AJ Smith, Bob Ferguson(these guys built the roster) HC- Marv Levy, OC- Ted Marchibroda, DC- Walt Corey, Rbs- Elijah Pitts, OL- Tom Bresnahan, ST- Bruce Dehaven, Strength and cond.- Rusty Jones

1990- nyg- HC- Bill Parcells, OC- Ron Erhardt, DC- Bill Belichek, RBs- Ray Handley, WRs- Tom Coughlin, TEs-Mike Pope, OL- Fred Hoaglin, DLine- Romeo Crennel, LBs- Al Groh, Special teams- Charlie Weis/Mike Sweatman

1991- wash- GM- Charlie Casserly, HC/OC- Joe Gibbs, asst hc/defense- Richie Petitbon, DC- Larry Peccatiello, Emmitt Thomas, LaVern Torgeson, Rod Dowhower, Don Breaux, Charley Taylor, Jim Hanifan, Rennie Simmons, Jack Burns, Bobby DePaul, Wayne Sevier, Dan Riley

1992- Jerry Jones, HC- Jimmy Johnson, DC- Dave Wannestedt, Dline- Butch Davis, DBacks- Dave Campo, OC- Norv Turner, RBs- Joe Brodsky, WRs- Hubbard Alexander, TEs- Robert Ford, OL- Tony Wise, ST- Joe Avezzano, ST+C- Mike Woicik

I highlighted the better coaches/coaches that were respected for being decent at their respective jobs, imo Marchibroda and Bresnahan were halfway decent coaches but who were given wayyy more credit than they deserved due to great players/roster instead of actual good coaches like Parcells, Belichek, Coughlin, Crennel, Groh, Weis, Handley, Casserly, Gibbs, Petitbon, Hanifan/Simmons, Johnson, Wannestedt, Davis, Campo, Turner, etc. who were considered quality coaches because of what they got out of lesser talent or unlocking hidden talent in unknown guys who had the physical traits but just needed some coaching.

Now go back and look at each roster comparatively and then look at each coaching staff and then watch each game, and then without going into your personal safety social media bubble take a deep breath and accept reality and tell me how we were seriously outcoached when push comes to shove.

Now I'm not saying they should have fired Levy but anyone at the time who objectively looked at the rosters and super bowl 25 and/or the next 3 super bowls or any of the games these Bills' teams lost over those years would immediatley see that the difference was in the coaching- gameplans, in game decisions and adjustments etc. and if 1st priority was to win a super bowl changes would have been made in coaching because the roster simply couldnt get much better without fielding a hall of fame all time greats team.

Now back to the present, this roster isn't as far and away better as those 90s teams were but its pretty clear looking at the losses and looking at the games that matter; ie> regular season games with tie-breakers/1st seed in playoffs on the line and the playoff losses that the roster is not the problem/main contributor to why those games were lost.

There are soooooo many good coaches out there that once you know your current guy isnt "the guy" that you have to move immediately to try and salvage the prime years of our current rosters' star players-Allen, Diggs, Milano, Oliver, Kincaid, Shakir, Benford, Bernard, Epensa, Cook, Torrence, Dawkins, Taron/Dane, maybe rousseau and spencer brown etc. and the last few good years some of the older players have in them like DaQuan Jones, Von Miller, Poyer, Hyde, Morse(who I think is undersized but is halfway decent but would like to replace him with creed humphrey etc), Leonard Floyd, Linval Joseph, Taylor Rapp, Rasul Douglas.

Fire McD, keep the front office and Beane, keep Joe Brady as OC/asst to the head coach or promote him and let him bring in an OC like the Johnson's or Bienemy etc. and bring in a DC who is aggressive and will force the offense's hand that doesnt just sit back and wait for the other team to make a mistake.

On 11/26/2023 at 8:41 PM, Rocbillsfan1 said:

I’ve known for at least 2 years this guy can’t get it done. Now everyone seems to get it. There is 0 downside on firing him. You 100% have to pull the trigger in the offseason if this team doesn’t make the playoffs.