Hebert19 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Jets gameplan was *****. This gameplan was *****. It's like he's so afraid of pressure we don't let Josh play. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Dorsey should have recognized after the FIRST series that the JAGS were not going to let us run the ball or hit those short rhythm passes. Before the end of the 1st quarter he should have unleashed Allen and the downfield passing attack. 7 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Because he sucks 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 unable to adjust to what the other team is doing once the game begins You go to put your guys in good situations and shotgun draw runs and short curl routes aint it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 How can you do all that you did to Miami and then this for 80% of the game? They weren’t prepared. Period. That’s on the coaches. Can’t blame the D at all tho. Just devastating what’s happening there. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Dorsey is a problem. Completely inexcusable that a healthy offense played that poorly for most of the game. 2 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 8, 2023 Author Share Posted October 8, 2023 I swear he did this last year too. Good defensive line and he panics. Let Josh be josh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Dorsey can’t adjust, he just becomes more predictable whenever the Bills get behind. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, BananaB said: Dorsey can’t adjust, he just becomes more predictable whenever the Bills get behind. He can adjust… for about one play. See: the play action bomb to Diggs to start that drive from our own 5 yard line. Then he goes right back to the same plays that failed three times in a row previously, and what happens? Yeah they fail three times in a row again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said: Dorsey should have recognized after the FIRST series that the JAGS were not going to let us run the ball or hit those short rhythm passes. Before the end of the 1st quarter he should have unleashed Allen and the downfield passing attack. He should have recongised they were in a ton of man and ran some man beating concepts. He was still running our dink and dunk vs zone offense. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said: He can adjust… for about one play. See: the play action bomb to Diggs to start that drive from our own 5 yard line. Then he goes right back to the same plays that failed three times in a row previously, and what happens? Yeah they fail three times in a row again. One play is not adjusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said: Dorsey should have recognized after the FIRST series that the JAGS were not going to let us run the ball or hit those short rhythm passes. Before the end of the 1st quarter he should have unleashed Allen and the downfield passing attack. Yep. He has devised some seriously great game plans and plays, but adjusting during the game isn't his strength. Hopefully he learns. Bills have adjusted well many times after half time. This time it was just meh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Because he sucks and folds like a lawn chair the minute he faces a decent defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He should have recongised they were in a ton of man and ran some man beating concepts. He was still running our dink and dunk vs zone offense. Problem with KD is it takes him half a game to recognize this. By then it's too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 I just don't understand Dorsey. The last few games, the offense has been evolving. They were finding things that work well and have been scoring a ton of points because of it. He's been totally fine until today to be honest.....not perfect, but fine. Today, it's like he looked at everything that has been working well and decided to do the opposite. Having Allen under center has been nothing short of amazing this season. He is the best in the league by far under center and utilizing play action. Today, while I don't have the numbers in front of me, it felt like he was in the gun at least 80% of the time. And when they did go play action from under center, that's when a lot of the bigger play happened. Until he figures out that he needs Allen under center at least 40% of the time, I don't think the offense will be what we all hope it can be. And his idea of what to do in 12 personnel is so basic. Not having any idea what to do with and how to use Kincaid down the field is baffling. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallser Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, DuckyBoys said: unable to adjust to what the other team is doing once the game begins You go to put your guys in good situations and shotgun draw runs and short curl routes aint it Every Team knows when we do the shotgun draw. We might as well put up a neon light when the we run the play, everyone on the ***** planet knows we're running that crap play. And the worst part is, it never seems to work! I'm not motivated to come through the success rate of that play but it never seems to be a positive play... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 I tend to agree about Dorsey. The mark of a quality OC is making adjustments when the D is stopping your gameplan. The Bills again looked like they had no answers at times. Didn't help that Oline was poor today, especially the guards, which has been a strength Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 8, 2023 Author Share Posted October 8, 2023 3 hours ago, BananaB said: Dorsey can’t adjust, he just becomes more predictable whenever the Bills get behind. This. He needs to be better. Stop being afraid of what can happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) Dorsey is a QB coach, he's not an OC. Maybe someday he will be, but today he's not. OC's need to be able to gameplan and scheme and adapt. Dorsey does none of those. Teams know what the Bills are going to do before the game. And the ones with good enough talent on defense to match up have been stuffing them. And Dorsey is helpless when it happens Edited October 8, 2023 by pigpen65 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Optimistically he has not had to respond to a situation where teams are “allowing” deeper shots. Usually teams cap the deep stuff and dare Josh to dink and dunk. This time the Jags trusted their pass rush and dared Josh to go deep. Dorsey will hopefully learn from this and take the deep shots when they are there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Bills need to practice screen plays so they don't need to do the dumb shotgun draws 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 I think it's been made clear that he hates Bills fans and game plans specifically to anger them into nitpicking and overanalyzing every little thing about the team in the week following a loss. It doesn't take a real Schmucklock Holmes to piece this together. Y'all keep it up and I've heard Ken gonna be dealing out wholesale nard-kicks on youse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JROC INTEL Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Idk we don’t run trick plays, hardly use screens, do not have a quick slant game. I hardly see any option routes or anything unique that can be practiced and implemented. Extremely vanilla. Then you watch a chief’s game and you literally never know what’s going to happen. Josh actually had pretty good pocket protection today too which makes it all even more interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Because he is a terrible OC. He doesn’t k ow how to use the weapons he has. His QB is best under center on first and second down opens up play action. He never uses motion in an effort to get a player forward movement at snap of ball. We no longer run reverses or screens. No creativity and falls apart when his master plan fails as it did in first two series 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriftygamer83 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 4 hours ago, Hebert19 said: I swear he did this last year too. Good defensive line and he panics. Let Josh be josh. Ken Dorsey doesn’t want to be here, this just everything he has done, said, and completely showed up for Carolina with a job interview before the Cincy game. He’s like Loki pretty much and to many homers got stuck by his staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JROC INTEL Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Xwnyer said: Because he is a terrible OC. He doesn’t k ow how to use the weapons he has. His QB is best under center on first and second down opens up play action. He never uses motion in an effort to get a player forward movement at snap of ball. We no longer run reverses or screens. No creativity and falls apart when his master plan fails as it did in first two series To be fair besides diggs, do we have another “weapon”? I was hoping our first rounder would be a bigger piece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Just now, JROC INTEL said: To be fair besides diggs, do we have another “weapon”? I was hoping our first rounder would be a bigger piece We do but he refuse to use our first round pick as a BIG slot receiver. He has Shakir, Sherfield he under utilizes. He calls wide run plays when dealing with DEs like Allen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Running the ball with 5 minutes left…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JROC INTEL Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 I got some thumbs down for saying andy insabella could have been useful in games like this, a gadget player with quickness to create space, much like how Beasley was able to create space. Idk we need another guy with quick change of direction 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Running the ball with 5 minutes left…. Right. Why? These little things don’t get talked about enough, yet I see them every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, blacklabel said: I think it's been made clear that he hates Bills fans and game plans specifically to anger them into nitpicking and overanalyzing every little thing about the team in the week following a loss. It doesn't take a real Schmucklock Holmes to piece this together. Y'all keep it up and I've heard Ken gonna be dealing out wholesale nard-kicks on youse. Lil ken doll can bring it then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriftygamer83 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Xwnyer said: We do but he refuse to use our first round pick as a BIG slot receiver. He has Shakir, Sherfield he under utilizes. He calls wide run plays when dealing with DEs like Allen Dorsey doesn’t make any secret he wants to leave. Talked about it leading up to Miami, chirped himself up to the Panthers, and ignored his biggest playoff game. A locker room cancer and suddenly folks are going to say when he’s gone and the offense becomes more explosive. After he gets creamed what it’s like playing for a real OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, JROC INTEL said: I got some thumbs down for saying andy insabella could have been useful in games like this, a gadget player with quickness to create space, much like how Beasley was able to create space. Idk we need another guy with quick change of direction Right. Why? These little things don’t get talked about enough, yet I see them every game. My biggest concern about Dorsey , besides his lack of adjustment when the pressure is on. Is that he does not seem to see what Tools he has available in his arsenal of player. There are plenty of player based opportunities for advance play calling. and yet ... 1 minute ago, Thriftygamer83 said: Dorsey doesn’t make any secret he wants to leave. Talked about it leading up to Miami, chirped himself up to the Panthers, and ignored his biggest playoff game. A locker room cancer and suddenly folks are going to say when he’s gone and the offense becomes more explosive. After he gets creamed what it’s like playing for a real OC. Is this why Diggs was furious last years end ? Was mentioned more than once and It makes sense. McBeanes better tighten this up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) There is just no excuse when bills fans know to run more play action to thwart the pass rush and Dorsey doesn’t…We will never go far with that type of inconsistent play calling… Edited October 8, 2023 by JaCrispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Dorsey is a deer in the headlights. There's your answer! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) McDermott is in his 6th season as head coach. I know Dorsey is the OC. But McDermott has to own that fact that in 25% to 33% of our games, it seems like our offense is still "trying to figure it out". The entire organization puts forward great effort into the games, but too often that great effort comes across as "amateurish" (note amateurs try hard to). Today's effort from the bizzare traveling planning to the Cook's -4 yard rushing effort, passing on Bass kicking a field goal, calling time outs because the team is confused, to Dorsey's horrible game plan, and lack of adjustments looked like amateur hour. Edited October 8, 2023 by Chaos 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He should have recongised they were in a ton of man and ran some man beating concepts. He was still running our dink and dunk vs zone offense. He should of know the Jags run tons of man and been ready for it w man beaters as well....they are not a zone team 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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