Poyer OUT Sunday

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Which makes me think about that McDermott conversation on mic’d up during camp. I found it odd McDermott went over to Poyer to tell him how fast he looked. It was just an odd moment.

I don’t recall anybody getting past Poyer in coverage or getting burnt over the top. Safeties have done a great job of keep everything in front of them.  Guy is going into his 12th year so of course he’s gonna lose some speed, but he’s got amazing instincts and is almost always in the right place.  

[stevestojan]

6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

So many ways the Bills self destructed against the Vikings last year, so many.

That game is a pretty perfect microcosm of life as a Bills fan. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I don’t recall anybody getting past Poyer in coverage or getting burnt over the top. Safeties have done a great job of keep everything in front of them.  Guy is going into his 12th year so of course he’s gonna lose some speed, but he’s got amazing instincts and is almost always in the right place.  

Poyer was particularly terrible vs Miami in the playoffs. He’s carried his bad play in the playoffs into this season. Not good for an aging player.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Brand J]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Hamlin is simply not a great player. I think that fact may have gotten lost in the fray because we were (rightfully so) worried for his life and well being. I went into training camp thinking he may be a cut candidate.

So did the media. They even asked McD if Hamlin was kept because of the bad optics a cut would bring but McD said it wasn’t anything like that at all. Said the players all know who’s deserving of a roster spot and who isn’t, so if Hamlin wasn’t it wouldn’t have gone over well with the players. Also cited his starting experience. We need to get younger and faster at that position next offseason.

[BuffaloBillyG]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Hamlin is simply not a great player. I think that fact may have gotten lost in the fray because we were (rightfully so) worried for his life and well being. I went into training camp thinking he may be a cut candidate.

He's a #4 safety. Can you point out to me what teams #4 safety can be considered a "great" player? 

[Irv]

Poyer Out For Game

Hopefully He'll Be Back Soon

Ooops This Is Wrong Thread

[TheyCallMeAndy]

53 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

"Yeah, but we didn't have Von or Poyer"

 

The December narrative

We aren’t marching out Dean Marlow and Shaq Lawson this time though 👍🏼

[transient]

55 minutes ago, Logic said:

We only lost one of three games to the Dolphins last year. It happened to be the one where we were missing one of our starting safeties.

Ummmmm… we were missing at least one of our starting safeties for all three games against Miami last season… 🤦‍♂️

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Poyer was particularly terrible vs Miami in the playoffs. He’s carried his bad play in the playoffs into this season. Not good for an aging player.

When has been Poyer been exposed this year or allowed a TD? I want a specific play. I’m not talking about a 12 yard reception. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

He's a #4 safety. Can you point out to me what teams #4 safety can be considered a "great" player? 

A misuse of the word “great” doesn’t take away the fact that Hamlin is the #5 safety on this team and is mediocre at best. Poor coverage guy, this is NOT the week to start him. 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, LLCoolCy said:

Couple of Elam's best games last year were vs the Dolphins, not like he's not familiar with playing them. I was thinking Elam would be active regardless of the Poyer news. His speed is the one aspect needed in this matchup. 

 

As for Poyer, it is a loss for sure. In my mind more for the communication and being in the right position. Having Poyer on a gimpy knee would have been a larger issue than playing Rapp/Hamilin/Neal. Rapp would have been signed to be Poyer's replacement if he would have left this summer thus the staff see him as good fit.

 

Let me start by saying I want Elam to be playing, not just this week but week in and week out. Or at least dressing. I am not questioning McD on keeping him a healthy scratch, it is just what I would like to see out of our first round pick. 

That said, if Elam has this super secret value add when in comes to Tyreek he would likely be dressing on other Sunday's too because that should be a valuable skill set against other less explosive players too. 

I didn't realize it until I posted a few minutes ago about cover 3. But I realized we have a ton of utility in our back 7, especially at DB. Tre, Jackson, and Benford have some ability to drop back. Milano and Bernard have great coverage ability as a LB tandem. So in that scenario I don't know if Elam's healthy scratches are necessarily a condemnation on his skill set. Rather everybody else has allows for a lot of versatility. 

[boyst]

16 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Benford to Safety Elam and Jackson rotate at CB just seems the logical move.  I know we won’t but the skill sets just tell me that.   

This isn't Madden. Our defense is very complex and nuanced at safety. Luckily Poyer and Hyde are cerebral with it. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

When has been Poyer been exposed this year or allowed a TD? I want a specific play. I’m not talking about a 12 yard reception. 

This year it’s been his tackling and run defense. 

[Lost]

2 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

When has been Poyer been exposed this year or allowed a TD? I want a specific play. I’m not talking about a 12 yard reception. 

 

The one play against the Steelers in preseason he looked dreadfully slow but he hasn't looked bad since season started. 

[BillsFan130]

12 minutes ago, babulator said:

I feel like  all the talk about McDaniels O being revolutionary has not been lost on McDermott. I wouldn't be surprised if he introduces some new wrinkles to the D this week. I also feel like the answer to Miami is mixing in some man or man/zone coverage against them. That's the consensus to stopping the Cheetah isn't it, disrupting him off the line? I feel like thats Elams biggest strength, getting hands on and disrupting people off the line. This is when we need him, a roster spot is open, I think he plays.

I’m not saying you’re wrong about his skills and if Elam was part of the CB platoon I would agree.

 

I just can’t see him going from inactive to lining up against maybe the best WR in the league.

 

I still would bet he’s inactive and they call Hamlin up as they only have 3 safeties now, but I could be wrong for sure 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

4 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

When has been Poyer been exposed this year or allowed a TD? I want a specific play. I’m not talking about a 12 yard reception. 

He’s allowed 6 catches on 8 targets (75%) for 94 yards (15.7 YPC). 

Most of bad tape is from week 1.

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy

[Process]

20 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Benford to Safety Elam and Jackson rotate at CB just seems the logical move.  I know we won’t but the skill sets just tell me that.   

One injury and you think we're going to have our starting cornerback who plays 100% of snaps switching positions? Lol

[babulator]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I’m not saying you’re wrong about his skills and if Elam was part of the CB platoon I would agree.

 

I just can’t see him going from inactive to lining up against maybe the best WR in the league.

 

I still would bet he’s inactive and they call Hamlin up as they only have 3 safeties now, but I could be wrong for sure 

As long as we get the Dub (W)! Go Bills!

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

The one play against the Steelers in preseason he looked dreadfully slow but he hasn't looked bad since season started. 

A bunch of run plays as well.

 

Not saying we’re better off with Rapp. Rapp is trash IMO.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

The one play against the Steelers in preseason he looked dreadfully slow but he hasn't looked bad since season started. 

Preseason? We talking bout preseason? 

[ALLinALLEN]

Jaquan Johnson is a FA, we liked him as a draft pick and depth for years. I would hate calling him up TBH with Poyer and Hyde's obvious aging and lack of depth.

[BuffaloBillyG]

6 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

A misuse of the word “great” doesn’t take away the fact that Hamlin is the #5 safety on this team and is mediocre at best. Poor coverage guy, this is NOT the week to start him. 

Ok. Even classified as a #5 safety...point to me a team with other than mediocre #5 safeties? By your definition not mine.

 

 

I will agree that coverage is not his strong suit. I see him more of a in the box safety which he is not bad at at all IMO. 

[Paul Costa]

Not a bad game for a banged up Poyer to miss. Put a young quicker guy in there . Whoever McDermott puts in there is the choice. Hopefully it’s Rapp if not Damar or Cam gotta step up. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

This is bad news.

This is one week where you reallllly want to have your top safeties in place.

Anyone thinking "it's not too big a deal" or "maybe it's a good thing because he's old now", well...I think you're dead wrong.

We only lost one of three games to the Dolphins last year. It happened to be the one where we were missing one of our starting safeties.

Let's hope Taylor Rapp is up to the challenge. Opportunity is, um...rapping at his chamber door? Sorry. I'll see myself out.

We were missing both starting safeties, Dane Jackson and Tre White .... and Benford broke his hand during the game.  We had Ja'Marcus Ingram -a PS callup - getting major snaps.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Coldfronts said:

Elam

 

You mean convert him to safety? That would be interesting. Aaron Williams of the Bills was drafted very high as well. After a lackluster first 2 seasons, they moved him to safety where he did pretty well. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

Ok. Even classified as a #5 safety...point to me a team with other than mediocre #5 safeties? By your definition not mine.

 

 

I will agree that coverage is not his strong suit. I see him more of a in the box safety which he is not bad at at all IMO. 

He’s a good depth player, but Miami isn’t the team you want him filling in for. IMO Lewis is the better cover safety, I’d like him or Rap to get the start. 

1 minute ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

You mean convert him to safety? That would be interesting. Aaron Williams of the Bills was drafted very high as well. After a lackluster first 2 seasons, they moved him to safety where he did pretty well. 

I think that is in the realm of possibilities next summer, but not in-season. Elam took zero snaps at safety if I recall correctly 

[BuffaninSarasota]

5 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Jaquan Johnson is a FA, we liked him as a draft pick and depth for years. I would hate calling him up TBH with Poyer and Hyde's obvious aging and lack of depth.

No thanks. There’s a reason he’s a FA.

[SoonerBillsFan]

Rapp is the guy many of us wanted if Poyer didn't come back.  Most all of us has noted poyer looks slow this year.

 

Maybe a blessing in disguise?

[Einstein]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I see him more of a in the box safety which he is not bad at at all IMO. 

Eh, he is an incredibly poor tackler too...
 

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by Einstein

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

He has looked markedly slower lately, against the incredible speed of the Dolphins may be a good time to rest him.

Exactly my thoughts

[Bermuda Triangle]

33 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

No, it was Cam Lewis. He beat himself up about it after the game, said all the right things “I’m not a selfish player.” Also said he cried about it. Still can’t understand why he didn’t volleyball spike it with one hand rather than try to pick it off. 

and then a few weeks later, Lewis plowed into the Miami punter, giving Miami a first down.  They ultimately scored.

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s been actually very bad this season. Maybe his knees are the reason. He might have been the worst starting player on defense this year.

 

Hamlin’s opportunity.

 

Hamlin isn't good either

[wppete]

Please don’t let it be Damar that starts 😢 

[Franco_92]

I much prefer having Hyde + backup SS to last year dealing with having Poyer + backup FS

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, wppete said:

Please don’t let it be Damar that starts 😢 

He isn't starting,Rapp is.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Coldfronts said:

Elam

 

No, they'll probably have him going to the concession booths and getting sodas and hotdogs for Poyer.

[wppete]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

He isn't starting,Rapp is.

Thank god. Leave Damar off the roster. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, arcane said:

I much prefer having Hyde + backup SS to last year dealing with having Poyer + backup FS

Poyer was hurt also last year. Plus he’s declining. Hyde hasn’t shown decline yet. So pretty big difference. I agree. Plus Rapp and Hamlin have experience starting. I just don’t think Rapp is very good.

 

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[ALLinALLEN]

14 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

No thanks. There’s a reason he’s a FA.

Can you name me 1 better S that could come in cheap, knows our system?

[ColoradoBills]

There isn't a Safety on the PS.  Seems a little strange not having one and 4 WRs for the offense.

Rapp gets the start, and we'll see how good of a signing that was.  He needs to stand tall Sunday!