Bills/Commanders Postgame Thread

[JMM]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I thought Dorsey had a good gameplan early. Called several misdirection plays to try and take advantage bof a slick field and slow that front 4. Solid plan. 

 

Then as the game went on he went braindead several times. There are a lot of times where playcalls get bagged on but it really is bad execution. Today wasn't the case IMO. The 4th down passing call was atrocious. The insistence of getting the ball to Harty was mind boggling. I understand getting him in space. I do. But these cute plays for him fool no one.  Can't afford to waste downs like that.

 

I do give him credit for sticking with the run when it started slow. In years past with Daboll after the 4th or 5th run there wouldn't have been another run called for a RB until late in the game. He kept chipping away and eventually Cook broke off some nice runs. This also made it so it wasn't all on Allen and keeps him from going Sugar Rush mode.

 

 

But it wasn't just the 4th down, it was the third down call as well, tried to cute with the handoff from the shotgun. Its third and 1. A FG puts the game away. You have Josh freaking Allen! Put him under the center, get your power backs behind him and push him. If need be TWICE. It's not brain surgery! He worries me, a LOT!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 minutes ago, balln said:

No Dorsey is awful. 
 

inside run to gave Davis opening drive?

 
the WR screens are an abortion 

 

the 4th and 1 same

 

and they looks like crap in red zone

 

this should have been 50-0

This guy lol

[BillzFreak]

5 minutes ago, Dan said:

Leave it to this place to find the cloud amongst all the silver linings.    We stomped a 2-0 team in their stadium….    Maybe a lot of people are upset cause they bet on the wrong team?

This is a special place....even in a blowout win we get misery. Can't even take a few hours to enjoy it....I just don't understand and honestly I don't want to. Yes discourse is good but it seems people are more upset on here when we win lol.

[LABILLBACKER]

17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Dominating defensive performance is the story of this one. Hats off to McDermott. The more aggressive style is working.

 

Dorsey was our biggest problem on offense, no creativity and several bizarre play calls.

Dorsey is clearly mediocre and the sample size is big enough imho.  McD choosing Bernard was brilliant.  We desperately need a backup plan if Dorsey continues to struggle. 

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, WideNine said:

He designed plays that got the ball out of Allen's hands quickly. Completely negated the pass rush of Washington and the balanced run game took advantage of the lighter boxes they played.

 

I disagree, I thought we dialed up quite a few long developing pass plays and the pass protection just held up really well, plus Allen stayed in the pocket or escaped when the defensive coverage won the play. Execution won the day for offense, not coaching IMO.

[Since1981]

O LINE D LINE

17 roll out. 
game 

[WideNine]

2 minutes ago, BillzFreak said:

This is a special place....even in a blowout win we get misery. Can't even take a few hours to enjoy it....I just don't understand and honestly I don't want to. Yes discourse is good but it seems people are more upset on here when we win lol.

 

Basking in the afterglow of a win is not quite our style.

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, JMM said:

But it wasn't just the 4th down, it was the third down call as well, tried to cute with the handoff from the shotgun. Its third and 1. A FG puts the game away. You have Josh freaking Allen! Put him under the center, get your power backs behind him and push him. If need be TWICE. It's not brain surgery! He worries me, a LOT!

Didn't say it was just the 4th down. Was just an example. There were several call that...well like McDermott will say "I'm sure Ken would like to have back". Hopefully someone beats it into his head that sometimes the simple obvious choice is the right one.

[Logic]

People bagging on Dorsey today? REALLY?!

They mentioned early in the broadcast that the Commanders had gone an NFL record 9 straight games without allowing more than four 3rd down conversions in a single game. The Bills today were 9 for 15 on 3rd downs.

They were the picture of balance, with 32 passes and 33 runs.

They had 170 yards rushing, 218 yards passing, and scored 30 points. 

Yes, there were short fields, and lots of credit goes to the defense. But the Bills offense just had a quality showing against a very good Washington defense. They dominated time of possession, kept their quarterback clean, barely punted, and put up 30 points.

Was Dorsey's gameplan perfect? No. Were there some calls he'd probably like to have back? I bet so. But that's the NFL. If you're honestly upset with Ken Dorsey TODAY, well, you're just looking for reasons to be upset, and I doubt anything will ever please you.

[Rocky Landing]

Edmunds fans: "The way the Bills play MLB, it's not a position conducive to splash plays."

 

Terrel Bernard: "Hold my Red Bull..."

[Warcodered]

Like sure it'd be amazing if he caught it but come on at least make a serious effort to break it up if nothing else.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Warcodered

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Dorsey is clearly mediocre and the sample size is big enough imho.  McD choosing Bernard was brilliant.  We desperately need a backup plan if Dorsey continues to struggle. 

LOL.

"Continues to struggle", he says. 🤣

30 offensive points this week against a quality defense, on the road.

38 offensive points last week.

"Continues to struggle". 

Amazing.

 

[WideNine]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I disagree, I thought we dialed up quite a few long developing pass plays and the pass protection just held up really well, plus Allen stayed in the pocket or escaped when the defensive coverage won the play. Execution won the day for offense, not coaching IMO.

 

Everyone is welcomed to their opinion.

 

We do forget the unforced penalties that put us in longer down and distance situations.

 

When Allen holds the ball for a deeper shot, there is usually quicker/shorter options he is not taking.

 

But agree that pass pro held up well on those occasions.

 

 

[HappyDays]

Just a reminder of how absolutely insane this throw is, and I will never take these throws for granted no matter how many Allen makes throughout his career.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Basking in the afterglow of a win is not quite our style.

 

 

Speak for yourself 

[DapperCam]

Gabe Davis has some good moments, but I can’t help but feel like he hurts more than he helps in the passing game. I do know that he’s a good run blocker, so maybe that tips the scales.

[SoonerBillsFan]

This just in...the Bills WON!   Some folks...jeez.

[Meatloaf63]

18 minutes ago, Dan said:

Leave it to this place to find the cloud amongst all the silver linings.    We stomped a 2-0 team in their stadium….    Maybe a lot of people are upset cause they bet on the wrong team?

You’re right this is a message board, what the hell are people doing discussing the nuances of the game? Only cheerleading allowed here, the rest of you haters should be shamed into silence.

[Bob Jones]

Definitely a good performance by the Bills, although FOUR INTs by your starting QB will pretty much guarantee that your team loses. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said:

You’re right this is a message board, what the hell are people doing discussing the nuances of the game? Only cheerleading allowed here, the rest of you haters should be shamed into silence.

Sounds like a plan 

[Best Williams Available]

I just turned off 550 AM and put WBIG 100 Commanders radio for the post-game. 

[Ya Digg?]

9 minutes ago, Logic said:

LOL.

"Continues to struggle", he says. 🤣

30 offensive points this week against a quality defense, on the road.

38 offensive points last week.

"Continues to struggle". 

Amazing.

 

I’ll take “struggling” to an average of 34 points all day every day…some people clearly weren’t hugged enough as kids and it shows 

[Not at the table Karlos]

23 minutes ago, Dan said:

Leave it to this place to find the cloud amongst all the silver linings.    We stomped a 2-0 team in their stadium….    Maybe a lot of people are upset cause they bet on the wrong team?

It was our stadium today. 

[RunTheBall]

Never change TBD. 34 point blow out on the road against an undefeated team with a consensus top D-line and people still find something to complain about because the blow out didn’t happen in the first 2 quarters. 

 

It was an excellent display from Josh/Dorsey of not doing more than you have to do to get the W. Sure, there’s a few play calls I’d have liked something different but the reality was it was clear Washington wasn’t going to score many points (I expected more than 3) and all we really had to do was not turn the ball over. It worked. 

 

We are on to Miami

 

[BillzFreak]

Just now, RunTheBall said:

Never change TBD. 34 point blow out on the road against an undefeated team with a consensus top D-line and people still find something to complain about because the blow out didn’t happen in the first 2 quarters. 

 

It was an excellent display from Josh/Dorsey of not doing more than you have to do to get the W. Sure, there’s a few play calls I’d have liked something different but the reality was it was clear Washington wasn’t going to score many points (I expected more than 3) and all we really had to do was not turn the ball over. It worked. 

 

We are on to Miami

 

How dare you not find negativity in this game today!!!I I demand you call out dorsey or Gabe Davis rightnow...there will be no positivity on this board pal lol!

[Meatloaf63]

12 minutes ago, BillzFreak said:

This is a special place....even in a blowout win we get misery. Can't even take a few hours to enjoy it....I just don't understand and honestly I don't want to. Yes discourse is good but it seems people are more upset on here when we win lol.

Actually kind of looks like you don’t want discourse, only Rainbows and Unicorns. You don’t think people can enjoy a win while still discussing what went right and what went wrong? How boring this place would be if people just only spoke about what went right and never discussed different opinions on how people feel about different performances.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Meatloaf63 said:

Actually kind of looks like you don’t want discourse, only Rainbows and Unicorns. You don’t think people can enjoy a win while still discussing what went right and what went wrong? How boring this place would be if people just only spoke about what went right and never discussed different opinions on how people feel about different performances.

 

It'd be great 

[TH3]

15 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Dorsey is clearly mediocre and the sample size is big enough imho.  McD choosing Bernard was brilliant.  We desperately need a backup plan if Dorsey continues to struggle. 

Ya …ummm…keep complaining and dreaming….Bills were number 2 offense last year and just crushed a team on the road

and scored 38 and 37 in the last two weeks….

 

[WideNine]

Maybe they should try Epenesa at TE... the guy has some seriously sticky hands.

 

That INT was insane.

 

That guy gets his hands on a lot of balls..... footballs, before you clowns pile on.

 

Also a bit of a fun fact I did not realize.

"After his freshman season, Epenesa was named to the All-Freshmen Big Ten team.

 

Notably, his first college sack came against future Buffalo Bills teammate Josh Allen during a game against Wyoming."

 

 

 

 

Edited September 24, 2023 by WideNine

[TH3]

1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Actually kind of looks like you don’t want discourse, only Rainbows and Unicorns. You don’t think people can enjoy a win while still discussing what went right and what went wrong? How boring this place would be if people just only spoke about what went right and never discussed different opinions on how people feel about different performances.

Discourse without perspective is just self important complaining 

[Taro Nimbus]

This win will do nothing to the perception of the Bills. They’ll still be doubted on a weekly basis and that’s fine.   Miami is the new flavor of the year.  Let them have the spotlight.  I feel as if Buffalo is playing better when they are not being talked about.   

[BillzFreak]

4 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Actually kind of looks like you don’t want discourse, only Rainbows and Unicorns. You don’t think people can enjoy a win while still discussing what went right and what went wrong? How boring this place would be if people just only spoke about what went right and never discussed different opinions on how people feel about different performances.

OK this place is 90% negative lately...honestly was there that much that went wrong today for post after post calling for Dorsey to be let go? 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

56 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Dominating defensive performance is the story of this one. Hats off to McDermott. The more aggressive style is working.

 

Dorsey was our biggest problem on offense, no creativity and several bizarre play calls.

Dorsey called a couple stupid pass plays on 4th down which won’t fly against a real team, but I thought he had a pretty good game plan. Allen was taken out mid 4th quarter. Otherwise they could’ve dropped 50+ on them 

Edited September 24, 2023 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Taro Nimbus said:

This win will do nothing to the perception of the Bills. They’ll still be doubted on a weekly basis and that’s fine.   Miami is the new flavor of the year.  Let them have the spotlight.  I feel as if Buffalo is playing better when they are not being talked about.   

Not really, it's already in all the postgame and halftime talk, they're building up the narrative of an Offensive juggernaut vs. a defensive one. NFL is all about building up the games of the week when they can.

[Meatloaf63]

7 minutes ago, BillzFreak said:

OK this place is 90% negative lately...honestly was there that much that went wrong today for post after post calling for Dorsey to be let go? 

Dorsey still has a way to go, he doesn’t seem to be learning from his mistakes, his situational awareness is terrible. That being said getting rid of him would most likely be a disaster.  I do understand those who want to do better at the position.  But we tend to be harsher on our own. Both Indy and Baltimore pulled some boneheaded plays on 4th down in overtime. I guess few teams play perfectly.

[NickelCity]

32 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

I think I was more concerned with an earlier incompletion to diggs over the middle (in terms of an ill-advised Josh throw)

[Meatloaf63]

16 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Discourse without perspective is just self important complaining 

Who’s deciding if the perspective is correct or not you? Just cause you don’t want to hear it doesn’t make it wrong or right. But it should be there for discussion.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Since we’re critiquing Dorsey after what I though was a sound game: 

 

- 1st and 10 negative plays continue

- 2nd and long runs 

 

 

Its easy to rag on him when the offense falters. But then be sure to give him his props for the offensive success. Pass pro, running game, Allen’s efficiency…this is him too 

[Since1981]

I’m no Dorsey fan

but, he has figured out how to defend a D line. A powerful D Line is Josh kryptonite and he’s figured it out 

[Meatloaf63]

21 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

It'd be great 

It would be boring and senseless, perfect for those who grew up getting participation trophies….