Good breakdown of the McTua Cheetahcode Offense

[Scott7975]

I know its not the Bills but I found this video popped up on my YouTube feed.  I was curious and watched it.  It's a good breakdown.  Bonus of copycat league. Super Bonus T.Edmunds.  I though other people might be interested in watching it too.

 

 

[Lost]

It's amazing how open their receivers are.  Meanwhile our receivers are running into each other on their routes.   If only we had an OC with that kind of creativity.  Dolphins are running timing routes better than anybody right now.  

[DJB]

If Allen had WR’s this open he’d already be in the HOF

[Lost]

My favorite part of this video is the featuring of Tremaine Edmunds being 10 yards out of position on his zone coverage 😂

[TAinLack.]

8 hours ago, Lost said:

My favorite part of this video is the featuring of Tremaine Edmunds being 10 yards out of position on his zone coverage 😂

...or our DBs being at least 10 yds off Bengal receivers in Buffalo playoff game last year!! Burrows taking what the defense gave him with pleasure!

[McBean]

8 hours ago, Lost said:

My favorite part of this video is the featuring of Tremaine Edmunds being 10 yards out of position on his zone coverage 😂

“We should’ve paid him” they said, “we’ll miss him alot”, they said.

 

This board never ceases to amaze me.

[Chaos]

13 hours ago, Lost said:

It's amazing how open their receivers are.  Meanwhile our receivers are running into each other on their routes.   If only we had an OC with that kind of creativity.  Dolphins are running timing routes better than anybody right now.  

To be fair, the Miami receivers are far quicker than anyone the Bills have. And this quickness may make scheming them open a lot easier.   I am not sure the Bills have the  right personnel to run that offense. 

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, Chaos said:

To be fair, the Miami receivers are far quicker than anyone the Bills have. And this quickness may make scheming them open a lot easier.   I am not sure the Bills have the  right personnel to run that offense. 

There are only a few players in the league who are fast enough to run that offense, and they all play in SF or Miami. If SF wins the SB over Miami this year, is it going to cause a league-wide reassessment of the importance of the QB position?

[Einstein]

15 hours ago, DJB said:

If Allen had WR’s this open he’d already be in the HOF

 

This video really puts "open" into perspective.

 

Many of us are commenting that Allen had open receivers to throw to on Monday night, but NONE were open to the extent that this video shows.

 

Compared to this video, every one of our receivers were blanketed.

 

If the video could encapsulated in one word it would be: Speed.

 

Speed kills defenses.

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Edited September 16, 2023 by Einstein

[Chaos]

4 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

There are only a few players in the league who are fast enough to run that offense, and they all play in SF or Miami. If SF wins the SB over Miami this year, is it going to cause a league-wide reassessment of the importance of the QB position?

I think in the short term people people will simple say Purdy and Tua are elite.  
 

I think people will also elevate their opinions of Shanahan and McDaniel up a notch as well, if this were to happen

Edited September 16, 2023 by Chaos

[Low Positive]

6 minutes ago, Chaos said:

I think in the short term people people will simple say Purdy and Tua are elite.  
 

I think people will also elevate their opinions of Shanahan and McDaniel up a notch as well, if this were to happen

People will say that, but NFL talent evaluators know the truth. They are providing another way to win. Load up with speed in the skill positions and ask your QB to deliver the ball on schedule. A lot of QBs can do that. And if you're not paying an elite QB, you can spread the cap around better. You can pay CMC and Bosa without that huge anchor. It's also interesting in that it's a lot like college basketball where the coaches are the biggest stars of their teams. This league is always evolving and this feels like the start of something new. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

35 minutes ago, Chaos said:

I think in the short term people people will simple say Purdy and Tua are elite.  
 

I think people will also elevate their opinions of Shanahan and McDaniel up a notch as well, if this were to happen

Purdy is elite bro...he's the #2 QB close behind only Josh.

[Chaos]

25 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

People will say that, but NFL talent evaluators know the truth. They are providing another way to win. Load up with speed in the skill positions and ask your QB to deliver the ball on schedule. A lot of QBs can do that. And if you're not paying an elite QB, you can spread the cap around better. You can pay CMC and Bosa without that huge anchor. It's also interesting in that it's a lot like college basketball where the coaches are the biggest stars of their teams. This league is always evolving and this feels like the start of something new. 

There is little to no chance, if the Dolphin's make the super bowl, that Tua will not get the next record or near record payday.  If McDaniel is willing to abandon Tua in order to keep the other assets going with a different driver, then we have a new paradigm.  Niners won't face the test for a couple more years. 

[ColoradoBills]

35 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

People will say that, but NFL talent evaluators know the truth. They are providing another way to win. Load up with speed in the skill positions and ask your QB to deliver the ball on schedule. A lot of QBs can do that. And if you're not paying an elite QB, you can spread the cap around better. You can pay CMC and Bosa without that huge anchor. It's also interesting in that it's a lot like college basketball where the coaches are the biggest stars of their teams. This league is always evolving and this feels like the start of something new. 

 

You bring up an interesting point, but wouldn't it just change the need for the QB "elites" to "skill position" elites?

How many of these speedy elite skill players are sitting around?  

 

Tua will get paid by Miami IMO and then they will have the same issues as other teams.  

[CSBill]

If this were the differentiator, then why is Andy Isabella or Hardy not lighting it up. 

[Low Positive]

16 minutes ago, CSBill said:

If this were the differentiator, then why is Andy Isabella or Hardy not lighting it up. 

Both of those guys would probably excel in the Shannahan offense.

[transient]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

If the video could encapsulated in one word it would be: Speed kills defenses.

That’s some Mensa level stuff right there. 

[Punching Bag]

47 minutes ago, transient said:

That’s some Mensa level stuff right there. 

 

I guess he uses some imaginary math but nothing as an honors math major I saw.

[BBFL]

Amazing!!! Coaching does make a difference…

[Dr.Sack]

The only way I see to defend this is with DIME / 7 DBs who can all mix it up. The most WRs a team can put on the field is 5. That’s man defense on 5 and utilizing 2 safeties to cap / bracket Waddel and Hill. Make the other 3 WRs beat you. 

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

This video really puts "open" into perspective.

 

Many of us are commenting that Allen had open receivers to throw to on Monday night, but NONE were open to the extent that this video shows.

 

Compared to this video, every one of our receivers were blanketed.

 

If the video could encapsulated in one word it would be: Speed.

 

Speed kills defenses.

.

 

And you can see open like that in almost every game. It's not just Cheetah speed. Josh has it tougher than most QBs IMO. We get that once in a blue moon but not often.  It's usually when some dude falls over themselves or when Josh goes off script and Diggs gets lost. We got it more often with Daboll IMO. Davis had some breakout games because other teams weren't ready for the ball to go there.  Our offense seems to be guys running out, find spot, turn around and stop while the other guys either run a post or curl to sideline. That doesn't breed open guys when you don't have speed or at least precision route runners.  This is why we don't get any YAC and our offense is all Josh AY.

Edited September 16, 2023 by Scott7975

[The Frankish Reich]

3 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

People will say that, but NFL talent evaluators know the truth. They are providing another way to win. Load up with speed in the skill positions and ask your QB to deliver the ball on schedule. A lot of QBs can do that. And if you're not paying an elite QB, you can spread the cap around better. You can pay CMC and Bosa without that huge anchor. It's also interesting in that it's a lot like college basketball where the coaches are the biggest stars of their teams. This league is always evolving and this feels like the start of something new. 

I think you're right. 

For quite some time now we've heard things like "what sets him apart is his ability to extend the play and wait until someone come open." Not just Allen. Mahomes, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, etc. It seems like the pendulum is swinging back to the "what sets him apart is his ability to deliver the ball quickly and on target/in stride to let his most explosive players make a play." And there's a lot more guys who can do the latter than the former at QB, which is why Brock Purdy is now more valuable than Trey Lance.

[Low Positive]

24 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I think you're right. 

For quite some time now we've heard things like "what sets him apart is his ability to extend the play and wait until someone come open." Not just Allen. Mahomes, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, etc. It seems like the pendulum is swinging back to the "what sets him apart is his ability to deliver the ball quickly and on target/in stride to let his most explosive players make a play." And there's a lot more guys who can do the latter than the former at QB, which is why Brock Purdy is now more valuable than Trey Lance.

If he doesn’t get knocked out, Tua is gonna win MVP throwing mostly 5 yard slants with YAC.

Edited September 16, 2023 by FrenchConnection
Damn autocorrect

[JohnNord]

5 hours ago, CSBill said:

If this were the differentiator, then why is Andy Isabella or Hardy not lighting it up. 

This is a good point.  It isn’t just speed.  It’s speed and elite-level receiving talent.  Miami has this at both WR positions.  Berrios is ok but the rest of the players in the WR rooms are bums.  

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

21 hours ago, Lost said:

It's amazing how open their receivers are.  Meanwhile our receivers are running into each other on their routes.   If only we had an OC with that kind of creativity.  Dolphins are running timing routes better than anybody right now.  

The Dolphins have two #1 WRs. That’s why they are open all the time. This gives the OC extreme flexibility in play calling. The one thing Miami did right was giving their QB every resource to succeed. 

[maddenboy]

54 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

The Dolphins have two #1 WRs. That’s why they are open all the time. This gives the OC extreme flexibility in play calling.

 

The one thing Miami did right was giving their QB Offense every resource to succeed. 

minor fix

 

If tua wasnt accurate, he'd be gone by now.   The GM gave McDaniels the 2 things his offense requires.  Super fast receiver(s) and an accurate QB.

[saundena]

Miami scares me.  They looked very sharp against the Chargers.  They just have so much talent in offense.  Obviously if Tua or Tyreek go down they will be in trouble, but I don't want to be the guy wishing for an injury.

 

Josh needs to pull his head out of his @$$ and take what defenses give him- if he does that we'll score on most of our drives.  Stop trying to put up numbers like Tua.  Not gonna happen with our OC and receivers 

[akcash]

I watched that entire game. It's similar to last year. Chargers were caught off guard. They adjusted a little better in the 2nd half. Got their hands on the receivers a little more. That's the key. You just need to slow them down at the LOS whenever possible. Chargers defense was late to adjust in this one.

 

That saying yeah they are scary if you don't set the tone early. 

[Xwnyer]

23 hours ago, Lost said:

It's amazing how open their receivers are.  Meanwhile our receivers are running into each other on their routes.   If only we had an OC with that kind of creativity.  Dolphins are running timing routes better than anybody right now.  

Dorsey is a terrible OC 

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

The Dolphins have two #1 WRs. That’s why they are open all the time. This gives the OC extreme flexibility in play calling. The one thing Miami did right was giving their QB every resource to succeed. 

Dorsey would have them both running in same area allowing defense to swarm area.  Or he would run delayed draws 

[Scott7975]

Speaking of speed, I don't watch college football but holy crap is this guy fast.

 

 

Edited September 17, 2023 by Scott7975

[Sherlock Holmes]

8 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

Both of those guys would probably excel in the Shannahan offense.

 

8 hours ago, CSBill said:

If this were the differentiator, then why is Andy Isabella or Hardy not lighting it up. 

Isabella would be if on active roster...

[bigduke6]

only one way to stop small quick receivers.   you play press,  get physical knock their timing around.   thats it.   then they start the rub routes to try and negate that and make you play off again.   its all about ingame adjustments.

[Scott7975]

23 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

only one way to stop small quick receivers.   you play press,  get physical knock their timing around.   thats it.   then they start the rub routes to try and negate that and make you play off again.   its all about ingame adjustments.

 

Yes, to stop Tua and their receivers defenses need to disrupt the timing.  Get Tua off his spot, make him move. Slow down the receivers.  Tua and that offense play extremely well in that offense but not so well if they have to go off script because the timing is disrupted.

[NickelCity]

Deeply envious of their offensive coaching. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

20 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

I guess he uses some imaginary math but nothing as an honors math major I saw.

Assuming he made the edit because that’s not what he said. 

[Punching Bag]

6 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Assuming he made the edit because that’s not what he said. 

 

I generally only view him when someone else quotes.

[Boatdrinks]

18 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

If he doesn’t get knocked out, Tua is gonna win MVP throwing mostly 5 yard slants with YAC.

I’d put my money on him getting knocked out. Probably by around week 5. 

12 hours ago, NickelCity said:

Deeply envious of their offensive coaching. 

Far more envious of the WRs. That’s counting Hill the player, not the person of course. 

[Low Positive]

13 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Speaking of speed, I don't watch college football but holy crap is this guy fast.

 

 

We would have to tank the season for him. He’ll be the first non-QB taken. I would guess at 3.

Edited September 17, 2023 by FrenchConnection

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 9/15/2023 at 10:07 PM, Lost said:

My favorite part of this video is the featuring of Tremaine Edmunds being 10 yards out of position on his zone coverage 😂

 

not missing him

 

 

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

We would have to tank the season for him. He’ll be the first non-QB taken. I would guess at 3.

Yeah I figured that but wouldn’t he be great in this offense