trey lance traded to cowboys

[Buffalo03]

Not sure if posted already. But apparently we made an offer for Lance. The Cowboys got him for a 4th so, what were we offering?

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It’s over? Really?

 

Yep. Before week 1. On to the draft.

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

I’ll give the other 3 credit, but Aiyuk is not elite. He can be taken out with one guy. That being said the other 3 are tough, but if he’s throwing in 2-3 seconds they aren’t getting very deep on their routes. Even Ryan Fitzpatrick looked good for that half a season here until teams figured out they don’t have to play deep

They’re not looking to get deep. They’re all YAC monsters. Everything KS draws up is with the intent to get open quick (which they always do), then hit the open guy and let him go to work. You miss the tackle and they might house it, Deebo especially. Disagree on Aiyuk. He’s a great route runner and does everything well. You can’t compare the weapons Fitz had to what Purdy has either. One was playing with a butter knife for a weapon, the other has machine guns. 

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. Before week 1. On to the draft.

It’s over, the team that got blown out in the NFCCG last year and has their star pass rusher holding out has won already. 
 

Trade up for Marvin Harrison Jr!

Edited August 26, 2023 by FireChans

[Doc]

11 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

I hate when Miami wins trades, especially when they are this lopsided.  

 

I hate when teams are stupid and made stupid trades like the 49'ers did.

 

7 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

How does Lynch still have a job ?

One of the worst wastes of draft picks ever seen in the NFL.

 

Because they got lucky with Purdy.  Maybe.

 

47 minutes ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

But he’s not. Once they added McCafferey, it was over. They now have 4 elite guys that can do it all, most notably get YAC. Who are these “good defenders” that can stick with a man for 3 seconds? Let alone stick with 4 elite men? Add in that KS schemes them open in 2 seconds and it’s not really possible. Use us as the example. Even if you think Tre can stick with Deebo (which is debateable), who takes Aiyuk? Dane? Elam? Please. Who takes kittle? Milano could stay with him some I guess but it’s tough. And are you asking Taron Johnson to stick with McCafferey? Good luck. And after you spend all that energy trying to match up, they can all run block, and now they gashed you for 40 yards. It’s tough. We’re not built to be anywhere near them. And you say well the chiefs can do it. Well yeah but Mahomes and Reid are a different story. The Bengals too. They have weapons and they play tough. We have 1 true weapon and we are finesse. 
 

If I seem frustrated it’s because I am. Niners got CMC for pennies based on how good he is. Beane should’ve given Josh that type of weapon. Instead we have given him Diggs and that’s it. Maybe Kincaid breaks out but he’s a rookie. 

 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

15 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It’s over? Really?

Lol in a manner of speaking as far as defending them goes. Giving CMC to KS is unfair. Like giving a mad scientist another tool to cook up evil formulas. Best weapons in the league plus the best offensive mind outside of Andy Reid. We haven’t even hit on their defense yet which is tops in the league too and added freakin Javon Hargrave too. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Dak is only under contract through 2024 and is injury prone.

 

Maybe they view Lance as the heir apparent.

 

If not just cut him. No lose trade for Dallas 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It’s over, the team that got blown out in the NFCCG last year and has their star pass rusher holding out has won already. 
 

Trade up for Marvin Harrison Jr!

Blown out? They didn’t have a QB in that game. Their defense actually held Hurts down quite a bit too. Don’t just read the final score. Context matters. What would be the score if we played the eagles with no qb? 
 

Bosa will sign this week and it’ll be fine. He wouldn’t be playing in the preseason anyways. 

1 minute ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Dak is only under contract through 2024 and is injury prone.

 

Maybe they view Lance as the heir apparent.

 

If not just cut him. No lose trade for Dallas 

No lose? They gave up a 4th for a 3rd string QB. Dak already was being questioned now there are just more headlines after this trade everytime Dak throws a pick. Horrible trade by them. 

[FireChans]

Just now, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

Blown out? They didn’t have a QB in that game. Their defense actually held Hurts down quite a bit too. Don’t just read the final score. Context matters. What would be the score if we played the eagles with no qb? 
 

Bosa will sign this week and it’ll be fine. He wouldn’t be playing in the preseason anyways. 

Correct, blown out. Because that’s what happened. Yes, their QB got hurt. And Mr. Best Offensive Mind with the Best Offensive Weapons couldn’t do ***** lmao. The Eagles apparently didn’t hear it was “over” when they got CMC and proceeded to smack them down. 

 

 

[Ya Digg?]

7 minutes ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

Lol in a manner of speaking as far as defending them goes. Giving CMC to KS is unfair. Like giving a mad scientist another tool to cook up evil formulas. Best weapons in the league plus the best offensive mind outside of Andy Reid. We haven’t even hit on their defense yet which is tops in the league too and added freakin Javon Hargrave too. 

Is this the same mad scientist that has choked the last 2 times he has gone to the Super Bowl? While he wasn’t the head coach, HE was the one who blew the game for Atlanta and allowed the Patriots to come back because he refused to run the ball. There are videos of him being told to run and his ego got in the way. Then against the Chiefs his ego again got in the way and it cost them the game. Good regular season offensive mind, choker in the playoffs 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

23 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Correct, blown out. Because that’s what happened. Yes, their QB got hurt. And Mr. Best Offensive Mind with the Best Offensive Weapons couldn’t do ***** lmao. The Eagles apparently didn’t hear it was “over” when they got CMC and proceeded to smack them down. 

 

 

They didn’t lose their qB. They also lost their backup QB too. 

20 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Is this the same mad scientist that has choked the last 2 times he has gone to the Super Bowl? While he wasn’t the head coach, HE was the one who blew the game for Atlanta and allowed the Patriots to come back because he refused to run the ball. There are videos of him being told to run and his ego got in the way. Then against the Chiefs his ego again got in the way and it cost them the game. Good regular season offensive mind, choker in the playoffs 

Fair criticism. No doubt he blew the Falcons game. I’ll never forgive him for that either. Giving Brady another undeserved ring. Hard to lay the chiefs game on him. Defense caved against Mahomes and Jimmy missed an open pass to win the game. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

52 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

That's an overplayed take.  

 

2019-2021 the NFC was pretty solid at the top:  GB, NO, Tampa Bay and then LA when Stafford got there.  

 

The AFC is a 3 team Conference.

That's you entirely unsupportable opinion, man

[Nuncha]

14 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

I don’t think he can play from I’ve seen as his mechanics and pocket awareness are awful… but hey it’s a 4th rounder not a bad deal.

Bills just didn’t have the cap room as he is guaranteed nearly 7 million dollars as a backup the next two years. 

His play kind of reminds me of EJ Manuel.  Ugh...

[buffaloboyinATL]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

Not sure if posted already. But apparently we made an offer for Lance. The Cowboys got him for a 4th so, what were we offering?

We could have offered our 4th, and the 49ers decided that the Cowboys 4th would be an earlier pick than ours, but most likely, we offered a 5th or 6th.  
 

At least it is good to know that Beane is looking for a long-term solution to the back up position. I want Josh Allen to get his “Frank Reich”.  

[Manther]

15 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

and he is going to take a spot on the 53 man roster also.  

Haha, maybe, maybe not.

 

Based on the trade, you are right, he will.  My thought is nobody will claim him if they try to have him clear waivers and go to the practice squad.  I am being silly.  But, his stock has really fallen, very surprised they got a 4th for him with the cap hit to be a #3 QB.

13 hours ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

Niners fleeced the cowboys here. A 4th for a 3rd string QB who no one else wanted? And he’s maybe 3rd string at best now on the cowboys. And you gave up a 4th?!

Totally agree

13 hours ago, djp14150 said:

No…

 

minnesota- Cowboys Herschel walker

 

the commandos did the RG3 trade up.

RG3 had a good season.  Shanahan ruined him.  But, I get your point and RG3 is in the team photo for worst trades ever.

[balln]

10 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

We could have offered our 4th, and the 49ers decided that the Cowboys 4th would be an earlier pick than ours, but most likely, we offered a 5th or 6th.  
 

At least it is good to know that Beane is looking for a long-term solution to the back up position. I want Josh Allen to get his “Frank Reich”.  

Likely knows our OL sucks and needs a running qb 

[Chicken Boo]

QBs are a crap shoot.  The 49ers swung a missed on Lance, but may have a 7th round gem on their hands in Purdy.

 

The team is still loaded with talent and a Super Bowl contender.  Lynch and Shanahan are still doing good, despite the assets lost in the trade up for Lance.  That in itself speaks volumes.

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

QBs are a crap shoot.  The 49ers swung a missed on Lance, but may have a 7th round gem on their hands in Purdy.

 

The team is still loaded with talent and a Super Bowl contender.  Lynch and Shanahan are still doing good, despite the assets lost in the trade up for Lance.  That in itself speaks volumes.

This. Imagine the shape our team and roster would be in if we had made the same mistake. 

[78thealltimegreat]

38 minutes ago, Nuncha said:

His play kind of reminds me of EJ Manuel.  Ugh...

You know good comp..  

[FireChans]

36 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

We could have offered our 4th, and the 49ers decided that the Cowboys 4th would be an earlier pick than ours, but most likely, we offered a 5th or 6th.  
 

At least it is good to know that Beane is looking for a long-term solution to the back up position. I want Josh Allen to get his “Frank Reich”.  

Well, we all know how many Super Bowl wins he contributed to....

[Breakout Squad]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

Not sure if posted already. But apparently we made an offer for Lance. The Cowboys got him for a 4th so, what were we offering?

I would guess a 6th that could conditionally go to a 5th or 4th based off performance. Maybe a 4th in 2025?

 

I think he would’ve been a good addition  

Edited August 26, 2023 by Breakout Squad

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

15 hours ago, MJS said:

Why did the Cowboys do this, I wonder?

I think Dak has this season to produce.  If he doesn't, he will probably be somewhere else for the 2024 season.  Taking a chance on Lance makes some sense.  They will have a year to coach him and see him work in practice.  If they think his ceiling is higher than an aging Dak, then it will be goodbye Dak.  There is also very little chance that the Cowboys have a record bad enough to draft one of the top guys.  If Lance does not develop, then it only cost them a 4th round pick.  Clearly worth the gamble for them.

[BillsFan4]

The trade up for Lance has to be one of the worst in modern NFL history. They traded THREE 1sts and a 3rd for Lance, just to give up on him 2 seasons later after he played (parts of) 8 games for them. Two of the three 1sts were late picks but still…

 

I am a bit surprised they are giving up on him before seeing Purdy start another season for them. They better hope he’s legit. I guess they feel like if he doesn’t work out they still have Darnold? Shanahan must be pretty convinced that Lance is never going to be able to excel in the 49ers system.

[buffaloboyinATL]

20 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Well, we all know how many Super Bowl wins he contributed to....

True. But he absolutely contributed to getting to at least one. 

[SoTier]

13 hours ago, davefan66 said:

It’s not often a guy like him makes it.  I h  ope he does, seems like a good dude.  
 

Would be something if he fails.

 

I wasn't knocking Purdy but Lynch and Shanahan.   Very few college QBs, including those drafted in the first round, actually become top NFL QBs no matter where they were drafted, much less from day 3 of the draft.   Since 2000, you can count on the fingers of one hand the ones from Day 3 who've become top NFL QB and have a couple of digits left over: Tom Brady (2000 - 6th round), Dak Prescott (2016 - 4th round), and Kirk Cousins (2012 - 4th round).   There have been several notable late rounders like Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel and Gardner Minshew but none of them would be considered "top NFL QBs".

 

I think it's incredibly arrogant of Lynch and Shanahan to bank on Purdy joining Brady, Prescott and Cousins after only 8 starts, especially since they haven't demonstrated that they actually can evaluate QBs, given that they felt they whiffed  on Lance after giving up 3 first round picks to get him.

 

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

Supposedly the bills made an offer.  

[MikePJ76]

25 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

I think Dak has this season to produce.  If he doesn't, he will probably be somewhere else for the 2024 season.  Taking a chance on Lance makes some sense.  They will have a year to coach him and see him work in practice.  If they think his ceiling is higher than an aging Dak, then it will be goodbye Dak.  There is also very little chance that the Cowboys have a record bad enough to draft one of the top guys.  If Lance does not develop, then it only cost them a 4th round pick.  Clearly worth the gamble for them.

His salary cap number guarantees he will be on the team next year and he has a no trade clause.  he is set to count 59 million against the cap next year so he will end up getting an extension to lower that number which means they are tied to him for at least the next 3 to 4 years.

 

the flip side of that is that Dak running the offense got shut down two years in a row and looked horrible last year in the loss to the niners and mccarthy cleared everyone out.  he fired his own hirings like philbin who coached the line and Jerrys pet project Kellen Moore who was calling plays.  Mike now is in charge of the offense with Schottenheimer.  So if it goes south again for Dak and the offense costs them another playoff game they are probably going to have that discussion about what do we do here.

 

in the end The Jones Family just wants to be relevant and in the media 24/7 so that is all this is and Dak will be there a long time and Lance will get turned into a celebrity in Dallas while standing on the sideline which is great for jerry and exactly how he operates.

[MJS]

31 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

I think Dak has this season to produce.  If he doesn't, he will probably be somewhere else for the 2024 season.  Taking a chance on Lance makes some sense.  They will have a year to coach him and see him work in practice.  If they think his ceiling is higher than an aging Dak, then it will be goodbye Dak.  There is also very little chance that the Cowboys have a record bad enough to draft one of the top guys.  If Lance does not develop, then it only cost them a 4th round pick.  Clearly worth the gamble for them.

If they don't believe in Dak they shouldn't have paid him $40 million per season with $125 million guaranteed. If they cut him next year it will be $62 million in dead cap.

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

His salary cap number guarantees he will be on the team next year and he has a no trade clause.  he is set to count 59 million against the cap next year so he will end up getting an extension to lower that number which means they are tied to him for at least the next 3 to 4 years.

Good point. That's what lowered his market value. After all, other than he's recovering from a significant injury, we really don't know anything more about him and his likelihood of succeeding than the 49ers knew when they traded up to draft him. Still raw, still (assuming recovered) very athletic, still maybe a Josh Allen or a Jalen Hurts or a Justin Fields? High risk, high upside.

 

Even given the cap hit, I have to grudgingly say Jerry may have made a good move here.

[Dr.Sack]

3 hours ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

But he’s not. Once they added McCafferey, it was over. They now have 4 elite guys that can do it all, most notably get YAC. Who are these “good defenders” that can stick with a man for 3 seconds? Let alone stick with 4 elite men? Add in that KS schemes them open in 2 seconds and it’s not really possible. Use us as the example. Even if you think Tre can stick with Deebo (which is debateable), who takes Aiyuk? Dane? Elam? Please. Who takes kittle? Milano could stay with him some I guess but it’s tough. And are you asking Taron Johnson to stick with McCafferey? Good luck. And after you spend all that energy trying to match up, they can all run block, and now they gashed you for 40 yards. It’s tough. We’re not built to be anywhere near them. And you say well the chiefs can do it. Well yeah but Mahomes and Reid are a different story. The Bengals too. They have weapons and they play tough. We have 1 true weapon and we are finesse. 
 

If I seem frustrated it’s because I am. Niners got CMC for pennies based on how good he is. Beane should’ve given Josh that type of weapon. Instead we have given him Diggs and that’s it. Maybe Kincaid breaks out but he’s a rookie. 

The question is can the pass rush get home in 2.5 seconds the length of time Purdy and the Shanahan offense want to get the ball out? Purdy stats completion %, TDs to Picks, plummet past 2.5 seconds.

 

Elam, Taron, Tre could cover anyone on the 49ers for 2.5-3 seconds. 
 

Neal, Rapp, Lewis, Dane & Benford 2-2.5 seconds.

 

Milano, Hyde, Poyer, Bernard can stick with a man 2 seconds.

 

 

[Dr.Sack]

12 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

One of the biggest reasons playing man vs a team like the 49ers is dangerous is yac. They’ll destroy you with yac.

 

 

Yeah, and they built the Miami Dolphins. Thanks 49ers.

Not every defender is in man.

Rush 4 vs 6 (5 OL + 1 QB).

Cover 7 vs 5. Man 5 use 2 safeties to play robber or cloud over the 2 fastest vertical threats 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

The trade up for Lance has to be one of the worst in modern NFL history. 

Nonsense.  That might be the '#1 All Time Cut Your Losses!'  fire sale trade in NFL history.  Anything else involved players for equipment or cash. 😁

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

True. But he absolutely contributed to getting to at least one. 

Getting the next Frank Reich is approaching getting a great ST player in terms of how valuable it is. I’d rather get the next Lofton or Bruce or Reed.

[TBBills Fan]

1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

The trade up for Lance has to be one of the worst in modern NFL history. They traded THREE 1sts and a 3rd for Lance, just to give up on him 2 seasons later after he played (parts of) 8 games for them. Two of the three 1sts were late picks but still…

 

I am a bit surprised they are giving up on him before seeing Purdy start another season for them. They better hope he’s legit. I guess they feel like if he doesn’t work out they still have Darnold? Shanahan must be pretty convinced that Lance is never going to be able to excel in the 49ers system.

 

 

I agree.  We have seen QBs play good for 5-6 games then get figured out. Trent Edwards.....

 

They must really believe in Purdy.  If Purdy flames out, that could cost the that regime their jobs

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Supposedly the bills made an offer.  

Offer:

 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

If they don't believe in Dak they shouldn't have paid him $40 million per season with $125 million guaranteed. If they cut him next year it will be $62 million in dead cap.

If the Cowboys had it to do all over again, I don't think they would give him that contract. I don't think they will cut him but they should be able to find a QB needy team to cut a deal and make the money manageable.  I think Jerry realizes that he is older than dirt and these next couple of seasons may be his last best chances to make a SB run.  If Dak shows that he can't be the guy, Jerry will do what needs to be done (even if it seems crazy).  Time is his scarce resource, money isn't.