Joe Klecko HOF - meh...

[I'm Spartacus]

Congrats to him, but for my money Fred Smerlas was better.

[I'm Spartacus]

PS, Fireman Ed is a tool!

[Freddie's Dead]

I'll never forget Jim Kelly's first game in the NFL.  I was in the upper deck on the home side.  Bills v Jest and the Bills were on the Jest 1 yard line.  Klecko deliberately comes out of his stance way early before the ball was snapped and just clobbered Kelly.  One of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen.  ***** Joe Klecko.  Good player, but not HOF worthy.

[RoyBatty is alive]

The Football HOF has gone from you had to be one of the greatest to now very good.  Ken Riley, sorry he doesnt belong either.

[Buffalo03]

22 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

I'll never forget Jim Kelly's first game in the NFL.  I was in the upper deck on the home side.  Bills v Jest and the Bills were on the Jest 1 yard line.  Klecko deliberately comes out of his stance way early before the ball was snapped and just clobbered Kelly.  One of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen.  ***** Joe Klecko.  Good player, but not HOF worthy.

Klecko explained this in Jim Kelly's "A Football Life". He said Kelly was just talking all game and said something to Klecko he didn't like. There was another penalty right before that that moved the ball to the 1 yard line. Red Cashion the ref called the penalty and Klecko said "Red, how can you call that?" And Kelly looked at Klecko and said "oh, first name basis, huh?" And that was when Klecko thought "what a good time for 15 yard penalty. They're only gonna move the ball 6 inches" since they were already at the 1 yard line. To be fair, Kelly was a prick when he played. Not necessarily justifying that play. Just explaining it from how Klecko explained it

Edited August 5, 2023 by Buffalo03

[I'm Spartacus]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Klecko explained this in Jim Kelly's "A Football Life". He said Kelly was just talking all game and said something to Klecko he didn't like. There was another penalty right before that that moved the ball to the 1 yard line. Red Cashion the ref called the penalty and Klecko said "Red, how can you call that?" And Kelly looked at Klecko and said "oh, first name basis, huh?" And that was when Klecko thought "what a good time for 15 yard penalty. They're only gonna move the ball 6 inches" since they were already at the 1 yard line. To be fair, Kelly was a prick when he played. Not necessarily justifying that play. Just explaining it from how Klecko explained it

Wasn't Red Cashion the ref that did the famous "just give it to them"?

[Freddie's Dead]

8 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said:

Wasn't Red Cashion the ref that did the famous "just give it to them"?

 

Red Cashion was " First dahhhnnnn!!!"

16 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Klecko explained this in Jim Kelly's "A Football Life". He said Kelly was just talking all game and said something to Klecko he didn't like. There was another penalty right before that that moved the ball to the 1 yard line. Red Cashion the ref called the penalty and Klecko said "Red, how can you call that?" And Kelly looked at Klecko and said "oh, first name basis, huh?" And that was when Klecko thought "what a good time for 15 yard penalty. They're only gonna move the ball 6 inches" since they were already at the 1 yard line. To be fair, Kelly was a prick when he played. Not necessarily justifying that play. Just explaining it from how Klecko explained it

 

Nice story.  Doesn't change my opinion of Klecko one damn bit.

[Rico]

He did name-drop Joe D. 

[drummernut74]

He only made it because of his cameo appearance in The Cannonball Run 🤣

[whorlnut]

2 hours ago, I'm Spartacus said:

Congrats to him, but for my money Fred Smerlas was better.

Honest question…if he wasn’t a jet would you care?  There are lots of fringe hall of famers in the hall at this point.

Edited August 5, 2023 by whorlnut

[Buffalo03]

3 hours ago, I'm Spartacus said:

Wasn't Red Cashion the ref that did the famous "just give it to them"?

I don't believe so

[Sierra Foothills]

4 hours ago, I'm Spartacus said:

Congrats to him, but for my money Fred Smerlas was better.

 

Disagree but neither is a HOFer.

 

3 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Klecko explained this in Jim Kelly's "A Football Life". He said Kelly was just talking all game and said something to Klecko he didn't like. There was another penalty right before that that moved the ball to the 1 yard line. Red Cashion the ref called the penalty and Klecko said "Red, how can you call that?" And Kelly looked at Klecko and said "oh, first name basis, huh?" And that was when Klecko thought "what a good time for 15 yard penalty. They're only gonna move the ball 6 inches" since they were already at the 1 yard line. To be fair, Kelly was a prick when he played. Not necessarily justifying that play. Just explaining it from how Klecko explained it

 

 

[GreggTX]

Smells was great. Klelo was better.

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, GreggTX said:

Smells was great. Klelo was better.

Translation anyone?

[4thandGoal]

30 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Translation anyone?

Smerlas was great - KLecko was better--- what else is there to translate

[Sierra Foothills]

11 minutes ago, 4thandGoal said:

Smerlas was great - KLecko was better--- what else is there to translate

Sorry. I never picked up that Pig Latin stuff.

 

Thanks Jimmy.

 

 

Edited August 6, 2023 by Sierra Foothills

[ExWNYer]

44 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Translation anyone?

 

He enjoys his own farts after drinking all day...

[Sierra Foothills]

2 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

He enjoys his own farts after drinking all day...

Thank you.

 

 I thought it was just me.

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

9 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

The Football HOF has gone from you had to be one of the greatest to now very good.  Ken Riley, sorry he doesnt belong either.

Neither did Zach Thomas

 

Yup becoming the Hall of the Very  Good. 

 

And I'd say the same thing about Tasker and Levy. Neither should be in the Hall of Fame. 

[QLBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Neither did Zach Thomas

 

Yup becoming the Hall of the Very  Good. 

 

And I'd say the same thing about Tasker and Levy. Neither should be in the Hall of Fame. 

Seriously Zach Thomas and Joe Klecko. Certainly Tasker is more worthy.. as well as Marv. 

[Nihilarian]

I don't get how this player made it into the HoF over Steve Tasker. Although a 4-time Pro Bowl, 2 of those seasons were all pro, and an 11-year career. 78 sacks

 

If I recall correctly the only notable thing I remember about the guy was ref Ben Dreith throwing a flag for a personal foul on Klecko for "giving him the business down there" after he tackled Kelly.

 

The Jets lost a lot of games to the Buffalo Bills during his time in the NFL and I get why he wanted to take it out on a QB that was always beating up his team.

[billsbackto81]

7 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

Seriously Zach Thomas and Joe Klecko. Certainly Tasker is more worthy.. as well as Marv. 

Hopefully Steve gets in one day. Ashamed he's not in yet. As far as  Thomas and Klecko? Meh. Thomas is more deserving but it goes to show if you cry long enough they'll eventually give in.

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

I don't get how this player made it into the HoF over Steve Tasker. Although a 4-time Pro Bowl, 2 of those seasons were all pro, and an 11-year career. 78 sacks

 

If I recall correctly the only notable thing I remember about the guy was ref Ben Dreith throwing a flag for a personal foul on Klecko for "giving him the business down there" after he tackled Kelly.

 

The Jets lost a lot of games to the Buffalo Bills during his time in the NFL and I get why he wanted to take it out on a QB that was always beating up his team.

That was Marty Lyons not Klecko. 

[billsbackto81]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

That was Marty Lyons not Klecko. 

Sack Exchange was a dirty bunch of SOBs. Wouldn't be surprised if they were juicing during that era.

[Wacka]

5 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

The Jets lost a lot of games to the Buffalo Bills during his time in the NFL and I get why he wanted to take it out on a QB that was always beating up his team.

Of course they fid. Did you see Kleco during the Hall of Fame game.

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Sack Exchange was a dirty bunch of SOBs. Wouldn't be surprised if they were juicing during that era.

More players than not were during the era. It wasn't until 1989 that using roids became a suspendable offense.

 

"Both the NFL and the Jets declined to confirm that Gastineau twice tested positive for steroid, but pointed out that steroids use wasn't punishable by suspension until 1989, a year after Gastineau called it a career."

 

http://static.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/garber_greg/1305782.html#:~:text=Both the NFL and the,Gastineau called it a career.

[Nextmanup]

Folks don't seem to be very familiar with Joe Klecko in this thread.

 

He was an outstanding defensive lineman and had ENORMOUS strength.

 

Like he stood out amongst huge guys playing in the NFL.

 

Ask anyone who played against him, he was a BEAST.

 

I remember Will Wolford talking about the difficulties of playing against him.

 

He's totally HOF worthy IMO.

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

FWIW, I think Klecko deserved it.  

[Nextmanup]

...but you know, he always did look more than a little inbred to me...

 

[machine gun kelly]

9 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

...but you know, he always did look more than a little inbred to me...

 

Next:

 

So as fun without googling, do you remember the movie he did a cameo?

 

I’ll give you a hint.  Burt Reynolds was in it.

[stuvian]

I watched the HOF introductions. There's something weird with one of his hands. They look like prosthetics

[ExiledInIllinois]

Darrelle Revis?  That's another soft inductee... /smdh

On 8/5/2023 at 1:45 PM, Buffalo03 said:

Klecko explained this in Jim Kelly's "A Football Life". He said Kelly was just talking all game and said something to Klecko he didn't like. There was another penalty right before that that moved the ball to the 1 yard line. Red Cashion the ref called the penalty and Klecko said "Red, how can you call that?" And Kelly looked at Klecko and said "oh, first name basis, huh?" And that was when Klecko thought "what a good time for 15 yard penalty. They're only gonna move the ball 6 inches" since they were already at the 1 yard line. To be fair, Kelly was a prick when he played. Not necessarily justifying that play. Just explaining it from how Klecko explained it

Good time for a penalty?  With an automatic 1st Down from the 1? Who cares if it moves only 6 inches, new set of downs is the most valuable!!

[Spiderweb]

On 8/5/2023 at 6:01 PM, Buffalo03 said:

I don't believe so

Walt Coleman?

[Sierra Foothills]

11 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Folks don't seem to be very familiar with Joe Klecko in this thread.

 

He was an outstanding defensive lineman and had ENORMOUS strength.

 

Like he stood out amongst huge guys playing in the NFL.

 

Ask anyone who played against him, he was a BEAST.

 

I remember Will Wolford talking about the difficulties of playing against him.

 

He's totally HOF worthy IMO.

 

 

 

11 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

FWIW, I think Klecko deserved it.  

 

I remember Klecko clearly.

 

He could play inside and outside and had great leverage. It was not unusual for him to forklift blockers and carry them back to the QB.

 

He was a great player but IMO not a HOFer.

 

 

[PBF81]

On 8/5/2023 at 2:45 PM, Buffalo03 said:

Klecko explained this in Jim Kelly's "A Football Life". He said Kelly was just talking all game and said something to Klecko he didn't like. There was another penalty right before that that moved the ball to the 1 yard line. Red Cashion the ref called the penalty and Klecko said "Red, how can you call that?" And Kelly looked at Klecko and said "oh, first name basis, huh?" And that was when Klecko thought "what a good time for 15 yard penalty. They're only gonna move the ball 6 inches" since they were already at the 1 yard line. To be fair, Kelly was a prick when he played. Not necessarily justifying that play. Just explaining it from how Klecko explained it

 

Was that the "He's givin' him the business down there!" game?  

 

 

14 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

That was Marty Lyons not Klecko. 

 

Same game as the one mentioned?  

 

 

[Nihilarian]

15 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

That was Marty Lyons not Klecko. 

Oops, well just looked it up and we were both wrong as it was #99, Mark Gastineau. 

 

Who remembers Ben Dreith's "Giving him the business" call (narkive.com)

[BuffaloBillyG]

6 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Oops, well just looked it up and we were both wrong as it was #99, Mark Gastineau. 

 

Who remembers Ben Dreith's "Giving him the business" call (narkive.com)

Nope. Marty Lyons was the player punching Kelly. The ref misidentified his number on the call.

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/63658/famous-giving-him-the-business-call-from-jets-bills-game-turns-30-years-old

 

 

https://fb.watch/mg77H9ULbQ/?mibextid=Nif5oz

 

Edited August 7, 2023 by BuffaloBillyG

[That's No Moon]

15 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

...but you know, he always did look more than a little inbred to me...

 

Looks like a kid I grew up with. Pat Waldynski.

3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

He was a great player but IMO not a HOFer.

If he played for the Saints he wouldn't be in.

[machine gun kelly]

11 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Next:

 

So as fun without googling, do you remember the movie he did a cameo?

 

I’ll give you a hint.  Burt Reynolds was in it.

It was cannonball run.  He and Bradshaw were in it.

[SoMAn]

On 8/6/2023 at 12:15 AM, ExWNYer said:

 

He enjoys his own farts after drinking all day...

Who among us?