Alphadawg7 Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 Good interview here and some footage of the workouts between him and Shakir. Love to see a young player who wants to reach their potential and putting in the work. Kid needs to earn his role on this team still, nothing will be handed to him, but I do remain optimistic on him and his upside. I love Moulds approach here on how he handled identifying the areas to work on and the things that were already working for him. Man...this just brings back memories too of how shafted Moulds got in terms of the QB's a lot of his career got wasted on. As good as he was, he would have been even better had he gotten a better luck of the draw on QB's during his career. I have no doubt he would have HOF credentials had he gotten to play with say Allen his whole career. 1 1 6 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Good interview here and some footage of the workouts between him and Shakir. Love to see a young player who wants to reach their potential and putting in the work. Kid needs to earn his role on this team still, nothing will be handed to him, but I do remain optimistic on him and his upside. I love Moulds approach here on how he handled identifying the areas to work on and the things that were already working for him. Man...this just brings back memories too of how shafted Moulds got in terms of the QB's a lot of his career got wasted on. As good as he was, he would have been even better had he gotten a better luck of the draw on QB's during his career. I have no doubt he would have HOF credentials had he gotten to play with say Allen his whole career. Dont get @BADOLBILZstarted on moulds He will admit he was talented then tell you 15 reasons why playing with better QBs wouldn't have impacted him that much since he was already force fed and the focal point Josh Gordon syndrome ... You can put up insane stats with bad quarterbacks if they know how to get you the ball He averaged like 135 targets a year for 6-7 straight years and lost explosiveness with age He definitely had Hall of Fame talent but he needed a better start and finish to his career 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 Good stuff. He was my favorite Bill in the late 90's and early 2000's. 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let's Go Buffalo Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 Moulds was a beast, and one of my favorite Bills to watch. It's good to see him in a mentor role now. I bet he could still go out there, and haul in some big catches like back in the day. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Still reppin’ my faded red Moulds jersey. Really a shame he couldn’t advance further with Price and Bledsoe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) I find it disappointing that Moulds (despite playing with mostly garbage at QB) finished exactly 5 yards short of 10,000 for his career. That's a milestone he deserved to achieve Edited August 3, 2023 by buffblue 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Moulds would have done some damage playing with Allen 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Just imagine Moulds as our #2 next to Diggs with Josh as qb. Scary.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Is Shakir a long torso guy or a short leg guy? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Anyone remember when Moulds would only excel in even-numbered years?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Dont get @BADOLBILZstarted on moulds He will admit he was talented then tell you 15 reasons why playing with better QBs wouldn't have impacted him that much since he was already force fed and the focal point Josh Gordon syndrome ... You can put up insane stats with bad quarterbacks if they know how to get you the ball He averaged like 135 targets a year for 6-7 straight years and lost explosiveness with age He definitely had Hall of Fame talent but he needed a better start and finish to his career He had HOF talent in 1998. That's for sure. That WR class he was in really hit the ground putting up big numbers.........except him. He was screwing off. But even if he'd put up an extra 2K in the first two years he still wouldn't have made the HOF though. I don't think advanced stats would be favorable to him either. He struggled to get open regularly after 2000 and dropped a lot of passes by todays standards. Hall of Very Good. Like a Joe Horn or Derrick Mason. Edited August 3, 2023 by BADOLBILZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Love Shakir's game. Still thinking he has a chance to become a star. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Lost said: Is Shakir a long torso guy or a short leg guy? I think the limbs are short… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 9 hours ago, Lost said: Is Shakir a long torso guy or a short leg guy? Smooth hips, but alligator arms, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 If I could have a genie give me 3 wishes it would be to get Eric 1 more TD catch for 6 yards. He'd have 50 career buddies and eclipse 10k yards. At the time of his retirement only about 30 players had done that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Captain_Quint said: Smooth hips, but alligator arms, unfortunately. Speaking of long extremities. Anybody remember Merton Hanks? That guy was all neck. I don't know how he made it through 9 years playing safety without a serious injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, Lost said: Speaking of long extremities. Anybody remember Merton Hanks? That guy was all neck. I don't know how he made it through 9 years playing safety without a serious injury. Mike Glennon has entered the chat 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 13 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Dont get @BADOLBILZstarted on moulds He will admit he was talented then tell you 15 reasons why playing with better QBs wouldn't have impacted him that much since he was already force fed and the focal point Josh Gordon syndrome ... You can put up insane stats with bad quarterbacks if they know how to get you the ball He averaged like 135 targets a year for 6-7 straight years and lost explosiveness with age He definitely had Hall of Fame talent but he needed a better start and finish to his career Looks like you’re the one getting him started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Good interview here and some footage of the workouts between him and Shakir. Love to see a young player who wants to reach their potential and putting in the work. Can't fault a young guy from working hard in the off season. Also nice to hear him learning from one of the best. But, to state the obvious, it has to translate to on-field performance. Reports from TC are not very encouraging . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Ontario Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 56 minutes ago, Lost said: Speaking of long extremities. Anybody remember Merton Hanks? That guy was all neck. I don't know how he made it through 9 years playing safety without a serious injury. I always thought the neck HOF was founded by Steve Grogan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said: Can't fault a young guy from working hard in the off season. Also nice to hear him learning from one of the best. But, to state the obvious, it has to translate to on-field performance. Reports from TC are not very encouraging . Agreed, but reports have also been a bit conflicting. And keep in mind, its early still and pads just went on. Real practice is just beginning and this next month is when players will really start to show where they are at. Any positive or negative buzz thus far in camp is pretty meaningless to be honest. Some guys excel in shorts, others start to show up when the pads are on...happens every year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: He had HOF talent in 1998. That's for sure. That WR class he was in really hit the ground putting up big numbers.........except him. He was screwing off. But even if he'd put up an extra 2K in the first two years he still wouldn't have made the HOF though. I don't think advanced stats would be favorable to him either. He struggled to get open regularly after 2000 and dropped a lot of passes by todays standards. Hall of Very Good. Like a Joe Horn or Derrick Mason. Disagree, strongly, about the dating here. He struggled to get open after he tore his hamstring early in the 2003 season (at the end of game 5 in OT vs Cincy). At the beginning of that season, he looked the best he ever did. In the first two games of that year he had 11 catches for 214 yards. He had a dud vs Miami in game 3, but so did everyone - the offense got stomped and was held to 118 total yards. Against Philly and Cincy, though, he had 17 catches for 213 yards. He was uncoverable that year through five games: on pace for 99 catches and 1462 yards. It would have been on a par more or less with his 1998 season. Then the hamstring tear happened and he looked like had sand in his joints the rest of his career. As for 2001, the team was so bad and the QBs so bad that he really suffered, stat wise. The Bills only had 18 TD passes that season vs. 20 INTs. The collective passer rating for the team was an abysmal 74.7. Edited August 3, 2023 by dave mcbride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 I say sign Moulds to a one week contract, throw him a 5 yard quick out and let him get that infamous 10,000 yards😎 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 15 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Good interview here and some footage of the workouts between him and Shakir. Love to see a young player who wants to reach their potential and putting in the work. Kid needs to earn his role on this team still, nothing will be handed to him, but I do remain optimistic on him and his upside. I love Moulds approach here on how he handled identifying the areas to work on and the things that were already working for him. Man...this just brings back memories too of how shafted Moulds got in terms of the QB's a lot of his career got wasted on. As good as he was, he would have been even better had he gotten a better luck of the draw on QB's during his career. I have no doubt he would have HOF credentials had he gotten to play with say Allen his whole career. Moulds was one of the biggest “what ifs” in Bills history. With even average QB play he could’ve been a HOFer. Always pissed me off that he is 5 yards short of 10k receiving yards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 41 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Disagree, strongly, about the dating here. He struggled to get open after he tore his hamstring early in the 2003 season (at the end of game 5 in OT vs Cincy). At the beginning of that season, he looked the best he ever did. In the first two games of that year he had 11 catches for 214 yards. He had a dud vs Miami in game 3, but so did everyone - the offense got stomped and was held to 118 total yards. Against Philly and Cincy, though, he had 17 catches for 213 yards. He was uncoverable that year through five games: on pace for 99 catches and 1462 yards. It would have been on a par more or less with his 1998 season. Then the hamstring tear happened and he looked like had sand in his joints the rest of his career. As for 2001, the team was so bad and the QBs so bad that he really suffered, stat wise. The Bills only had 18 TD passes that season vs. 20 INTs. The collective passer rating for the team was an abysmal 74.7. He never looked as good as he did after 1998. Not even close. It was disheartening what he did to himself, really. Got too big at the expense of what had been just enough speed and quickness to be able to blend with his great strength and be a top 2 WR in the NFL. He dropped off considerably. Just because he put up a brief stretch of similar numbers 5 years later doesn't mean he was always the same player as 1998. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: He never looked as good as he did after 1998. Not even close. It was disheartening what he did to himself, really. Got too big at the expense of what had been just enough speed and quickness to be able to blend with his great strength and be a top 2 WR in the NFL. He dropped off considerably. Just because he put up a brief stretch of similar numbers 5 years later doesn't mean he was always the same player as 1998. He absolutely shredded the Pats and Jaguar defenses in the first two games of the 2003 season. I remember those games well, so I'm not simply relying on stats. He was uncoverable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 To Hell with the long necks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 7 hours ago, NewEra said: Looks like you’re the one getting him started Maybe that was my motive lol it was a slow day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 8 hours ago, dave mcbride said: He absolutely shredded the Pats and Jaguar defenses in the first two games of the 2003 season. I remember those games well, so I'm not simply relying on stats. He was uncoverable. There is a difference between being uncoverable and being uncovered for a game or two. See Gabe Davis in the AFC divisional round game in KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan in Owego Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) Shakir is a down low cut i can see coming, believe i read a scout quote somewhere on Tyrell Shavers that he was one of the best gunners he ever saw. Going to be an interesting numbers game in that receiver room. Edited August 3, 2023 by Dan in Owego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 19 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Maybe that was my motive lol it was a slow day Sometimes when you tease the wino you get thrown up on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 Anyone remember Moulds ordering a pizza to the sideline of a college game? Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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