Bills Sign Former First Rounder Shane Ray (now released with injury settlement)

[Don Otreply]

12 hours ago, biggerdaddynj said:

Next Duke Williams!! 

There is only One A#1 Duke 

[Logic]

This is one of those "zero risk, decent reward" type moves. I'm sure he signed for peanuts, monetarily speaking.

If he somehow surprises and plays well, the Bills got a nice, veteran depth piece with Championship game experience. If, as expected, he doesn't make the cut, then nothing has been lost.

You bring 90 players to camp. They can't all be surefire Pro Bowlers.

[SCBills]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

No, it’s not “dumb” to sign someone that helps your pass rush. 
 

I’ve kind of mentioned this before but what I want them to do is trade Ed Oliver and sign Yannick Ngakoue to a long-term contract. Multiple reasons. We load up at edge this season, have insurance for Von Miller or if Rousseau fails to take that next step. You can easily play Miller, Rousseau, and Ngakoue at the same time.

 

We would have a great 3 man rotation at edge. I would sign Matt Ioannidis DT a cheap deal as our 4th to rotate in.

So my plan is trade Oliver and sign DE Ngakoue and DT Matt Ioannidis. You can do this and save cap space this year believe it or not.
 

 

I honestly don't hate this.  

 

They clearly believe in Ed Oliver, at least for this contract year. 

 

If Oliver can play to his ceiling, consistently, they are probably making the right move in betting on him at the expense of bolstering EDGE... but I've yet to see any reason to think he will do that for a majority of the season... and, especially, when it really matters. 

 

[BringBackFlutie]

11 minutes ago, Logic said:

This is one of those "zero risk, decent reward" type moves. I'm sure he signed for peanuts, monetarily speaking.

If he somehow surprises and plays well, the Bills got a nice, veteran depth piece with Championship game experience. If, as expected, he doesn't make the cut, then nothing has been lost.

You bring 90 players to camp. They can't all be surefire Pro Bowlers.

 

Thanks for clarifying. I thought  he actually bartered his services for an unspecified amount of peanuts.

[Dr. Who]

9 minutes ago, BringBackFlutie said:

 

Thanks for clarifying. I thought  he actually bartered his services for an unspecified amount of peanuts.

[BringBackFlutie]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

 

Favorite movie as a kid.

[Logic]

13 minutes ago, BringBackFlutie said:

 

Thanks for clarifying. I thought  he actually bartered his services for an unspecified amount of peanuts.

As someone who would do just about anything for some good nuts, I figured you'd understand.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

As someone who would do just about anything for some good nuts, I figured you'd understand.

And suddenly we moved from Classic to the new Disney.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

May mean something, may mean nothing, but last year Bills had 7 LBers in TC, only 4 that were not viewed as special teams only in Edmunds, Milano, Dodson, and Bernard. Mata, Andre Smith, and Spector.

 

This year they have 8, but Milano, Bernard, Klein, Williams and Dodson are all high on the LB depth chart. They still have Spector, Mata, and Howard who are all roster worthy players. 
 

I still feel we see more 3 LB sets, they have the players for it. 

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

Should probably back Duke Williams while we're at it. 

 

It's a low risk/high reward type signing, but I don't think we really should expect much (or anything). 

 

So...  low risk/low reward?

[Nitro]

It is a "What the heck!" signing.  He may show promise but IMO just a body for training camp.

[Bruffalo]

55 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

So...  low risk/low reward?

It's a lotto ticket.

 

You spend a buck, 1/1,000,000 shot you get a huge return.

 

1/100,000 shot you get a nice return. 

 

1/10,000 you get your money back.

 

[billsfan89]

Types of players you kick the tires on in training camp, not really likely to make the roster but could be a PS guy. 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Funny how it’s never the GM/team that drafts the guy with the wrong pick that gets labeled as a bust. Its is the GM who blew the pick, not the player. It’s on the GM. 
 

 

 

 

The funny thing is.........GM John Elway did get held accountable for his lack of success in a string of drafts.    AFTER he had built the Broncos first into an offensive juggernaut that carried the franchise to a SB.......and then did a complete 180 and turned them into a team that won a SB 2 years later with dominant defense.    If those feats were accomplished in Buffalo, that GM could probably be mediocre for a decade and not get held accountable.   It really surprised me how quickly Elway became a pariah in Denver.    Standards are very high in bigger markets.

[Don Otreply]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The funny thing is.........GM John Elway did get held accountable for his lack of success in a string of drafts.    AFTER he had built the Broncos first into an offensive juggernaut that carried the franchise to a SB.......and then did a complete 180 and turned them into a team that won a SB 2 years later with dominant defense.    If those feats were accomplished in Buffalo, that GM could probably be mediocre for a decade and not get held accountable.   It really surprised me how quickly Elway became a pariah in Denver.    Standards are very high in bigger markets.

I get your example, but, 
Not “exactly” what I meant, no one, with any regularity says a GM was as much at or more at fault making the pick that turns out to be an obvious over pick/bust a couple of years later, it’s always lumped on the player, who has/had zero control over where he got picked, the same player taken in the third round is a often considered a “good value” it’s not on the player, It’s on the GM/team who made the errant pick. 

[purple haze]

On 5/14/2023 at 6:06 AM, hondo in seattle said:

 

OBJ and DHop were prohibitively expensive.   Maybe Von came to Beane about Ray, and Beane thought - what the heck, we're not strong at DE, Ray is cheap, maybe he's worth a look.  In the end, Beane's doing what's best for the team but given Ray's recent history, he might not have been on Beane's radar.  Maybe Von put him there?

If Von put him on Beane’s radar then Beane needs to clean out his operation.  He has a pro scouting department whose job is to tell him about players who can help at positions of need that are on other teams or other pro leagues.  

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Ray was an outstanding college player and was good for a couple of years in Denver.  Some bad coaching, nagging injuries, and some bad luck pushed his career into the ditch.  If he can reclaim any significant portion of his past ability, he could become a valuable rotational player at a very cheap price.  I think it is very wise of Beane to give this player a shot.  If it doesn't work out, there's no big loss but if it does, it could be a significant benefit to the team.

[NewEra]

On 5/14/2023 at 2:20 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

His edge moves this offseason are definitely Little Baller Beane moves. Lack of above average edge play will hurt us this year.

Because he did exactly what everyone wanted him to do:  Support Josh Allen:  started 20M OVER the cap. 

-IOL was a major issue last year.  It doesn’t look to be an issue atm.  Spent $ on McGovern- 2nd rd pick on Torrance, added edwards.

-we needed better playmakers and weapons over the middle of the field-  1st rd pick on Kincaid- signed Harty and Sherfield- upgrades over Mckenzie and Kumerow (if you don’t believe they’re upgrades, you’ll soon see)

-needed better goal line RBs- added harris and Murray.  
 

all those additions and we were able to keep the entire DL intact while adding Poona.  So 20M over the cap and we added significantly on O while suffering one loss on D in edmunds.  A non premium position.  
 

sure, it would be nice to add another pass rusher.  I think we will as long as one will agree to a minimum/incentive based contract.  I don’t think we’ll sign anyone for

more than 3.5M+.  We look to be done kicking money down the road for this offseason. 
 

[Shemp]

Good move. Now I'd like to see the Bills reuinte Ray with Markus Golden, who's a free agent outside linebacker. 

[Mr. WEO]

19 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The funny thing is.........GM John Elway did get held accountable for his lack of success in a string of drafts.    AFTER he had built the Broncos first into an offensive juggernaut that carried the franchise to a SB.......and then did a complete 180 and turned them into a team that won a SB 2 years later with dominant defense.    If those feats were accomplished in Buffalo, that GM could probably be mediocre for a decade and not get held accountable.   It really surprised me how quickly Elway became a pariah in Denver.    Standards are very high in bigger markets.

 

5 winning seasons in a dozen years.  They've been insignificant for the past 7.  has made a joke of the QB position. For 10 of his 12 seasons, Von Miller was the best player on the roster.  Since Kubiak walked away, he has employed 4 straight up bums. 

[BADOLBILZ]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

5 winning seasons in a dozen years.  They've been insignificant for the past 7.  has made a joke of the QB position. For 10 of his 12 seasons, Von Miller was the best player on the roster.  Since Kubiak walked away, he has employed 4 straight up bums. 

 

 

He was only the GM for 10 years before getting the boot "up" after 2020......which was mostly to finish out his employment terms.  He's not even employed by the Broncos in any capacity at this point.    His biggest mistake was passing on Josh Allen.   Simple as that.   Practically a local prospect playing at Wyoming that Elway had spent a lot of time scouting.   In December of 2017 I'd have thought Allen would be the Broncos pick if on the board.   But Elway was impatient and chasing results and having built two SB teams in different styles he was probably over-confident in his decision making.   Sustained success requires taking shots at young QB's until one pans out.    I think JA17 took Denver passing on him personally.   

[John from Riverside]

23 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

Well, at least he can fly
He can fly

He can fly

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He was only the GM for 10 years before getting the boot "up" after 2020......which was mostly to finish out his employment terms.  He's not even employed by the Broncos in any capacity at this point.    His biggest mistake was passing on Josh Allen.   Simple as that.   Practically a local prospect playing at Wyoming that Elway had spent a lot of time scouting.   In December of 2017 I'd have thought Allen would be the Broncos pick if on the board.   But Elway was impatient and chasing results and having built two SB teams in different styles he was probably over-confident in his decision making.   Sustained success requires taking shots at young QB's until one pans out.    I think JA17 took Denver passing on him personally.   

 

They soured on him because he ran the team into the ground.  Passing on Allen didn't help, but several other morons passed on Allen as well, so Elway isn't uniquely dumb for that reason...

 

Look at his QBs after Manning passed away in the 2015 season.  In successive seasons, his top passers were Siemian (twice), Keenum, Flacco, Lock and Teddy B.    He also passed on Russell Wilson, taking Brock Osweiler instead.  He drafted Paxton Lynch (who was just run out of the XFL) because he didn't know what else to do. He drafted Chad Kelly!!! This is a HOF QB who can't understand how to draft a QB!   His  2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017 (Garett Bolles!!!) drafts were whiffs but for a few long term starters. Not satisfied with his Paxton Lynch debacle, he doubled down with Drew Lock.

 

He's a bonehead.  His best moves were Miller and rolling the dice on Manning's broken neck.

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

Loved his story at the draft but I forgot he was in the league. Worth kicking the tires on but unless he did some major Roids while he was out of the league, I don’t see it. But crazier things have happened.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

They soured on him because he ran the team into the ground.  Passing on Allen didn't help, but several other morons passed on Allen as well, so Elway isn't uniquely dumb for that reason...

 

Look at his QBs after Manning passed away in the 2015 season.  In successive seasons, his top passers were Siemian (twice), Keenum, Flacco, Lock and Teddy B.    He also passed on Russell Wilson, taking Brock Osweiler instead.  He drafted Paxton Lynch (who was just run out of the XFL) because he didn't know what else to do. He drafted Chad Kelly!!! This is a HOF QB who can't understand how to draft a QB!   His  2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017 (Garett Bolles!!!) drafts were whiffs but for a few long term starters. Not satisfied with his Paxton Lynch debacle, he doubled down with Drew Lock.

 

He's a bonehead.  His best moves were Miller and rolling the dice on Manning's broken neck.

 

 

 

 

To the highlighted.......Elway built both the highest scoring offense ever and THEN totally re-tooled on defense on the fly and built a top 10 all-time D just 2 seasons later.

 

And the foundation he started with was a roster that was overmatched against Chan Gailey's 2011 Bills because they were significantly less talented.

 

The first 5 years of his regime were remarkable.   After that........a lot of bad decisions.   Similar to Seattle in that regard........historically great moves in the span of a couple seasons that vaulted them to the top of the NFL.........then a lot of almost inexplicably bad ones.

 

Bottom line........same amount of SB rings as HOF GM Bill Polian.......and more than the Bills.   I wish Beane could have been that much of a "bonehead" in his first 5 years.

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

He was just interviewed on Xirius NFL Radio.  Sounds like a very hard working and humbled determined person.

 

Discussed at length all his adversity, very appreciative to have a shot.  He has the same agent as Von Miller so I assume (he didn't say it) that is what opened the door.  Shane talked about how humbling the last 4 years have been including he even went to a "hub workout" and to  the Missouri pro day this year to show off what he can still do. "Has a lot left in the tank", has been in Tampa at the "trench Academy" trying to build up lower body strength and try to be more than just a third down rush the passer players.  Knows quite a few Bills notably Mitch Morse.

[Sierra Foothills]

7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

To the highlighted.......Elway built both the highest scoring offense ever and THEN totally re-tooled on defense on the fly and built a top 10 all-time D just 2 seasons later. And the foundation he started with was a roster that was overmatched against Chan Gailey's 2011 Bills because they were significantly less talented. The first 5 years of his regime were remarkable.   After that........a lot of bad decisions.   Similar to Seattle in that regard........historically great moves in the span of a couple seasons that vaulted them to the top of the NFL.........then a lot of almost inexplicably bad ones.

 

Bottom line........same amount of SB rings as HOF GM Bill Polian.......and more than the Bills.   I wish Beane could have been that much of a "bonehead" in his first 5 years.

 

 

To the highlighted regarding John Elway, Brandon Beane just completed his 5th draft with the Bills. In those drafts he's selected 39 players.

 

Statistically this would be considered a small sample size... not enough to have much statistical validity.

 

Beyond the small sample size there's also an element of luck as it applies to good and bad offseasons. There's no debating that all clubs have hits and misses. NFL GMs have a small window in which to establish themselves. That means it's imperative that they have near-immediate success. The problem is that player personnel success is not predictable or proportional...  some offseasons are epic and others are forgettable. With bad luck you might start your tenure with no appreciable improvement and you'll get fired. In other cases if you had 2-3 solid offseasons at the front end of your tenure, it'ill probably buy you some goodwill when the pendulum of luck swings the other way... as in the case of Elway.

 

My point is that although many perceive the success and failure of GMs as fairly clear cut, there's a lot of luck involved. Most NFL GMs are fired based on short term results (small sample size) which are not necessarily a reflection of their competencies. In many cases they just weren't afforded enough time.

 

As it applies to Beane, his most recent drafts have come under some criticism but employing the same systems and methodology (trusting the process), there's no telling when he might have a draft for the ages. And this is true for most GMs because none of them are infallible and many of them are simply not given a fair chance, especially those that get off to a slow start. 

 

 

Edited May 17, 2023 by Sierra Foothills

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

To the highlighted regarding John Elway, Brandon Beane just completed his 5th draft with the Bills. In those drafts he's selected 39 players.

 

Statistically this would be considered a small sample size... not enough to have much statistical validity.

 

Beyond the small sample size there's also an element of luck as it applies to good and bad offseasons. There's no debating that all clubs have hits and misses. NFL GMs have a small window in which to establish themselves. That means it's imperative that they have near-immediate success. The problem is that player personnel success is not predictable or proportional...  some offseasons are epic and others are forgettable. With bad luck you might start your tenure with no appreciable improvement and you'll get fired. In other cases if you had 2-3 solid offseasons at the front end of your tenure, it'ill probably buy you some goodwill when the pendulum of luck swings the other way... as in the case of Elway.

 

My point is that although many perceive the success and failure of GMs as fairly clear cut, there's a lot of luck involved. Most NFL GMs are fired based on short term results (small sample size) which are not necessarily a reflection of their competencies. In many cases they just weren't afforded enough time.

 

As it applies to Beane, his most recent drafts have come under some criticism but employing the same systems and methodology (trusting the process), there's no telling when he might have a draft for the ages. And this is true for most GMs because none of them are infallible and many of them are simply not given a fair chance, especially those that get off to a slow start. 

 

 

 

 

Yeah with Elway it's just kinda' simple though.........he built the highest scoring offense in NFL history and then built one of the greatest defenses in NFL history and won a SB with it.......all in the first 5 years of his regime.

 

That's just "scoreboard".........and that's the NFL way of evaluating your production..........in part because the NFL is such a small sample size league/game.

 

He won't be remembered as a great GM but there have been lots of GM's who had more consistent results but are forgotten because they didn't win a SB or build anything truly special.   Right now, Beane is squarely in that group.   He's the "architect" of teams that have won in the regular season but not the playoffs and also fallen short of expectations.   Like a John Butler or AJ Smith, for example.    Guys who will be largely forgotten outside of the cities they worked in.

 

[BringBackFlutie]

On 5/15/2023 at 11:41 AM, Logic said:

As someone who would do just about anything for some good nuts, I figured you'd understand.

 

Is Josh Allen (or a likeness of him.  Or his Jersey. Or a towel with his name sharpied on it) involved in this scenario?

[Warriorspikes51]

Again, he has a Kansas City Chiefs tatt on his back. This is an enemy spy among us friends 😆

[Nephilim17]

Normally, I don't really get too wrapped up in articles about a player's struggle and determination, yada yada yada. Everyone's got struggles and has faced adversity. But this one resonated with me. Shane's relationship with his mom, falling to dark depths (the article doesn't say how dark but suggests, at least to me, it was really bad), and despite the stats saying it won't work he keeps trying...

 

I'll be rooting for this guy. I don't expect him to be starter but I'd love to see him play a couple years in the NFL as a quality backup.

 

And I love his prediction about winning the SB with Buffalo.

 

A long read but a good one, I think.

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/shane-ray-finds-a-new-chance-with-buffalo-bills-i-couldnt-quit-no-matter-what/article_8ab8c378-f839-11ed-af94-43edbd0bab33.html

[Punching Bag]

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-sign-ot-garrett-mcghin-rb-ty-johnson

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The Bills have signed OT Garrett McGhin and RB Ty Johnson to one-year deals, the team announced Monday.

Buffalo also placed OT Tommy Doyle and DE Shane Ray on Injured Reserve (IR).

 

 

A shame.  I had hopes for Shane Ray.

[Goin Breakdown]

3 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-sign-ot-garrett-mcghin-rb-ty-johnson

 

A shame.  I had hopes for Shane Ray.

4 weeks for Ray?

[Punching Bag]

He likely will be waivered (injured) and get an injury settlement.

 

Shane Ray's NFL comeback hits snag as Bills put DE on IR

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38235140/shane-ray-nfl-comeback-hits-snag-bills-put-de-ir

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On Monday, the Buffalo Bills placed Ray on injury reserve. The move will likely end his season unless an injury settlement is reached. Coach Sean McDermott described him as "day-to-day" on Sunday.

 

Ray left Saturday's preseason loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers with a hamstring injury. In two preseason games, he played 32 defensive snaps, nine special teams snaps and one 2-point conversion. Ray, 30, was a long shot to make a competitive Bills 53-man roster but played well throughout training camp and the preseason.

 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/bills-shane-ray-placed-on-injured-reserve/

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Ray suffered the injury in Saturday's preseason contest against the Steelers. However, it was reported by Maddy Glab of the Bills' official site on Sunday that the 30-year-old's injury was of the day-to-day variety. So his move to injured reserve is a bit of surprise.

 

[boyst]

In theory, they could release him and sign him back?

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-sign-ot-garrett-mcghin-rb-ty-johnson

 

A shame.  I had hopes for Shane Ray.

Shane's a good player but just too old to stay healthy 

[NewEra]

Poor guy

[John from Riverside]

Honestly, this sucks about Shane Ray he was having a good camp

[Punching Bag]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Honestly, this sucks about Shane Ray he was having a good camp

 

I think he was burning the candle at both ends to try to make roster.

[John from Riverside]

Is there a possibility of putting him on the practice squad if you have put him on injured reserve