Is Josh becoming too commercialized?

[Buffalo716]

Tom Brady is MR GQ with 7 rings

 

doesnt bother me … look good feel good play good

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Hsker4life said:

You sound like you’re a lot of fun at parties. 

 

Weren't we complaining when Josh had no commercials?

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

I do think he has lost his edge. And that explains why Diggs gets so pissed

 

 

Dude I literally watched him suck the life out of KC at arrowhead last season … the stadium keep heat a pin drop

 

hurdling defenders and throwing dimes 

 

his edge was not gone 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, SUNY_amherst said:

I do think he has lost his edge. And that explains why Diggs gets so pissed

 

 

Thank you for the courage to say this. 

 

These sort of opinions are not allowed on this message board. 

 

But right or wrong, volunteering a "negative" thought. 

[Mikie2times]

8 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Old enough to know that you do not disrespect the Wu Tang Clan.

[Dablitzkrieg]

Everyone has gone insane

[Matt_In_NH]

Breakups suck emotionally and people deal with that differently....not to mention is must be a lot of fun to be a single Josh Allen.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, BillsFanSD said:

Josh Allen could spend the offseason filming recruitment videos for ISIS and it would be a-okay with me if he puts up 13+ regular season wins.  

 

Ooooh.  No.  Too far.  I frankly don’t want to see him get political in any way.

 

But an advertisement for New Era caps or whatever that was?   Gillette shaving ads?   Pfffht, Go For It.

 

5 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Thank you for the courage to say this. 

 

These sort of opinions are not allowed on this message board. 

 

But right or wrong, volunteering a "negative" thought. 

 

I keep reading stuff like this from you.

 

Leaving apart my own experience and that of people I dialog with - which is that we criticize players on a regular basis here and experience no problems in doing so - has the fundamental contradiction between your expressed viewpoint, and the fact that you find multiple posts upon which to express it, truly escaped you?

 

Newsflash posting some vague generalized BS like “he’s lost his edge” on a message board requires no “courage” at all.

Edited May 9, 2023 by Beck Water

[Tipster19]

I’m just hoping that Josh doesn’t go this far! 
 

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/9/15/21437221/cam-newtons-outfits-nfl-patriots-2020
 

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2019/09/13/cam-newton-postgame-outfit-scarf-twitter-reaction-carolina-panthers

[oldmanfan]

22 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I don't worry about him attending events, or being out in the public. 

 

My question has always revolved around how does Josh get to the next performance level? 

 

2020, 2021, 2022 have largely been the same statistically (Top 4 in NFL). The Bills have taken the approach to keep the same 2020 team around him as much as possible I believe, going so far as to re-sign Cole Beasley and John Brown. 

 

That's why I say there is meat on the bone when it comes to his conditioning, especially when you listen to how the other Quarterbacks around the league prepare in the offseason. 

No one on this or any other NFL team’s message board has the first damn clue about what other QBs are doing or not doing today, yesterday, or tomorrow when it comes to what they do in the off-season. Except that Mahomes was at the same horse race as Josh on Saturday.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Ooooh.  No.  Too far.  I frankly don’t want to see him get political in any way.

 

But an advertisement for New Era caps or whatever that was?   Gillette shaving ads?   Pfffht, Go For It.

 

I keep reading stuff like this from you.

 

Leaving apart my own experience and that of people I dialog with - which is that we criticize players on a regular basis here and experience no problems in doing so - has the fundamental contradiction between your expressed viewpoint, and the fact that you find multiple posts upon which to express it, truly escaped you?

And people like you feel entitled to police everyone. That's the key difference here.

 

From 2006-2017 there was a large segment of Bills fans who commented on the shoddy nature of the organization, and the same "realist" verses "true-fan" debates erupted. And ultimately, the "negative realist" fans were right. That iteration of the Bills was never going to win, Brandon, Nix, Whaley, Levy running the show. 

 

So while the organization is clearly NFL caliber now, the Super Bowl drought weighs on the fanbase. Fans are anxious to get to the final level and win.

 

If you say something like the Dorian Williams is too small to play MIKE, and the pick should have been spent on an upside RT Dewand Jones, for instance, the eruption of Beane knows what he's doing, what are your credentials, the team was 13-3 last year rain down. 

 

My statement still stands. Applaud the guy for saying Allen lost his edge, because you'll get the typical blowback here.  

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

No one on this or any other NFL team’s message board has the first damn clue about what other QBs are doing or not doing today, yesterday, or tomorrow when it comes to what they do in the off-season. Except that Mahomes was at the same horse race as Josh on Saturday.

Except they give interviews about it. 

 

Watch Joe Burrow's with Chris Simms, or Justin Herbert's physical plan where he made the decision to add more muscle. 

 

Of course we don't attend the Jordan Palmer Passing Camp, but some information on this does come out. 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

oh cool, yeah if only the Super Bowl was played in September

Josh Allen has a top 5 highest passer rating in postseason history

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

oh cool, yeah if only the Super Bowl was played in September

 

 

Allen hasn't lost his edge. He puts his body thru hell taking all of those hits trying to win games. The Bills lost to the Bengals because they got their asses kicked in every phase of the game. 

[gobills1212]

1 hour ago, Tipster19 said:

 

Blah, blah, blah. Shoo fly.

 

The Jets fans would love you... you'd fit right in. Might I suggest going to play 'pretend-fan' over at https://forums.theganggreen.com/ ?

Although their post of village idiot seems to be taken as well

Everything you say is cringleworthy and simple, while somehow managing the reputation that if you had a thought it would be lonley.

5+ chances after wasting your poor fellow boardmembers to redeem yourself with something clever and at the end, you tuck tail and revert to childrens songs.

Its a shame you are the only one who cant see it. Its kinda like flat earthers... at SOME point, you'd think it would occur to them that maybe the rest of the world might just be right and maybe, just maybe, they (or you in this analogy as you tend to need things spelled out) arent as clever as they (again, you) think they (you) are...

[Bobby Hooks]

I’m fine with it. All this will do is give him a taste of the big time. You know how you get to the bigs full-time? You win a Super Bowl. 
 

We get a Lombardi, he gets a hosting gig on snl. Win-win. 
 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Bobby Hooks

[msw2112]

I get where the OP is coming from.  In my mind, I'm fine with Allen doing all this off-the-field stuff as long as he can handle it and it doesn't distract him from his primary job.  I haven't seen anything to date indicating that he can't handle it.  It's true that some guys handle fame, fortune, and publicity better than others.

 

I recall Andrew Luck, early in his career, intentionally stayed out of the limelight to limit distractions to his football career.  That was the right choice for him at the time.  I think he did some commercials later on - perhaps even after his career was cut short by injuries.  Josh didn't do much early in his career either, but I suspect that's because he wasn't the huge star then that he is now.  Luck was a much bigger name coming in.

 

For now, Josh is fine.  He's so competitive and invested in winning, for himself, the Bills, and the City of Buffalo.  I suspect that if he felt that the off-the-field stuff was getting out of hand and negatively impacting his football career, that he'd scale it back.

[Heitz]

40 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Old enough to know that you do not disrespect the Wu Tang Clan.

 

Possibly the best moment from the Winter Olympics a few years back:

 

 

[billieve420]

If it is good enough for this guy Josh maybe onto something.

 

 

[oldmanfan]

24 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

And people like you feel entitled to police everyone. That's the key difference here.

 

From 2006-2017 there was a large segment of Bills fans who commented on the shoddy nature of the organization, and the same "realist" verses "true-fan" debates erupted. And ultimately, the "negative realist" fans were right. That iteration of the Bills was never going to win, Brandon, Nix, Whaley, Levy running the show. 

 

So while the organization is clearly NFL caliber now, the Super Bowl drought weighs on the fanbase. Fans are anxious to get to the final level and win.

 

If you say something like the Dorian Williams is too small to play MIKE, and the pick should have been spent on an upside RT Dewand Jones, for instance, the eruption of Beane knows what he's doing, what are your credentials, the team was 13-3 last year rain down. 

 

My statement still stands. Applaud the guy for saying Allen lost his edge, because you'll get the typical blowback here.  

Except they give interviews about it. 

 

Watch Joe Burrow's with Chris Simms, or Justin Herbert's physical plan where he made the decision to add more muscle. 

 

Of course we don't attend the Jordan Palmer Passing Camp, but some information on this does come out. 

You don’t have a freaking clue what they’re doing on a regular basis.  Not a single damn clue.  You just like to pretend you’re more knowledgeable than the next guy.  It’s like that guy who started this nonsense thread talking about how he doesn’t like Diggs personally, as if he has some personal interactions with the man.

 

Mahomes is at the same race and nobody says a freaking thing.  Josh is there and he gets criticized for modeling?  For not being all in?  That is pathetic.

Edited May 9, 2023 by oldmanfan

[ddaryl]

Allen has been in the lime light for a few offseasons

Last year it was NASCAR, and the Big Golf Game with Mahommes Brady and  Rogers. There were also multiple articles in the TMZ about him and Brittany on a date

Nothing new here, expect more 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

You don’t have a freaking clue what they’re doing on a regular basis.  Not a single damn clue.  You just like to pretend you’re more knowledgeable than the next guy.  It’s like that guy who started this nonsense thread talking about how he doesn’t like Diggs personally, as if he has some personal interactions with the man.

 

Mahomes is at the same race and nobody says a freaking thing.  Josh is there and he gets criticized for modeling?  For not being all in?  That is pathetic.

First line of my response was “I have no issue with Allen attending events”

 

Secondly, I don’t think I know more than other people. I read/listen the available media and make a judgement.

 

If it’s all a black box and we don’t know, that’s fine, but at the end of the day it’s wins and losses and when you lose you dig around for what happened. 
 

For me it’s not enough to go oh-well, we’ll get them next year, that’s all. Nothing would progress in the world took that approach. 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

First line of my response was “I have no issue with Allen attending events”

 

Secondly, I don’t think I know more than other people. I read/listen the available media and make a judgement.

 

If it’s all a black box and we don’t know, that’s fine, but at the end of the day it’s wins and losses and when you lose you dig around for what happened. 
 

For me it’s not enough to go oh-well, we’ll get them next year, that’s all. Nothing would progress in the world took that approach. 

If you don’t think he is working on his conditioning and such, making sure his elbow is ready to go, then you live in a fantasy world.

Just now, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Well possibly because Mahomes has some Super Bowl rings in his dresser

And it means that attending a horse race does not destroy one’s ability to play great football.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

If you don’t think he is working on his conditioning and such, making sure his elbow is ready to go, then you live in a fantasy world.

And it means that attending a horse race does not destroy one’s ability to play great football.

How do you know, you’re not with him everyday taking notes on his recovery? 

[teef]

[90sBills]

9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You don’t have a freaking clue what they’re doing on a regular basis.  Not a single damn clue.  You just like to pretend you’re more knowledgeable than the next guy.  It’s like that guy who started this nonsense thread talking about how he doesn’t like Diggs personally, as if he has some personal interactions with the man.

 

Mahomes is at the same race and nobody says a freaking thing.  Josh is there and he gets criticized for modeling?  For not being all in?  That is pathetic.

I think Burrow was also there. This is all really silly. Young rich athletes attending popular events. Omg the sky is falling!

[Southern_Bills]

When it starts effecting his play on the field I'll begin to care. 

 

Let him be, it's not like hes been arrested. 

 

Burnout is real, when camp starts I'm sure his modeling career will end.

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said:

I do think he has lost his edge. And that explains why Diggs gets so pissed

 

 

What does losing his edge mean to you? There are definitely things that Allen can work on to improve his game.

[AuntieEm]

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Who cares what you like.  It's his life, not yours.

 

 

It I'd indeed his life and he's has every right to enjoy his free time.  If his popularity gives him some extra exposure that in turn allows him to make a lil extra cash or free merchsndise modeling then that's less money he will demand when new contracts are due.  In fact it's a smart move always generating positive press for the NFL in offseason.  

[oldmanfan]

18 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

How do you know, you’re not with him everyday taking notes on his recovery? 

Well, because he said he’s all in this year.  Oh but I get it now.  If you hear a Chris Simms video with a guy that we should take as Gospel but if Josh says he’s all in that we should question because he showed up at a horse race.

 

Am I there watching him every day?  No, but the difference is I don’t pretend that I am nor that other guys are more invested than he is as if I have some inside info.

Edited May 9, 2023 by oldmanfan

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Weren't we complaining when Josh had no commercials?

Or when we had QBs who no one wanted in commercials. Or no one bothered wasting film to take a picture of. 

 

Not only do we have a top 3 QB, but the dude is very handsome , a pleasant personality and goofy as heck. 

 

Oh what are we going to do? 

[Heitz]

20 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

I think Burrow was also there. This is all really silly. Young rich athletes attending popular events. Omg the sky is falling!

 

For real. 🤣

 

"Josh is too commercial" - he's literally one of the most popular and recognizable people in the most popular sports league in the country, sooooo, ya know... 🤣🤣

[CincyBillsFan]

36 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Well possibly because Mahomes has some Super Bowl rings in his dresser so he gets the benefit of the doubt

 

 

Or more likely none of this has anything to do with a players off season work outs or in season performance.

 

 

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Let me ask Jake from State Farm, and then I will have an answer..

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Thank you for the courage to say this. 

 

These sort of opinions are not allowed on this message board. 

 

But right or wrong, volunteering a "negative" thought. 

There was no courage in making the ridiculous charge that "Allen has lost his edge", whatever the hell "edge" is.  It's just another in a long line of cheap passive aggressive shots that the Bills QB takes on 2BD. 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

We just need him to make a video with a reality star.  He will gain significant respect around the world because we all know why and we would all watch it....don't lie that you wouldn't.  

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

And people like you feel entitled to police everyone. That's the key difference here.

 

From 2006-2017 there was a large segment of Bills fans who commented on the shoddy nature of the organization, and the same "realist" verses "true-fan" debates erupted. And ultimately, the "negative realist" fans were right. That iteration of the Bills was never going to win, Brandon, Nix, Whaley, Levy running the show. 

 

So while the organization is clearly NFL caliber now, the Super Bowl drought weighs on the fanbase. Fans are anxious to get to the final level and win.

 

If you say something like the Dorian Williams is too small to play MIKE, and the pick should have been spent on an upside RT Dewand Jones, for instance, the eruption of Beane knows what he's doing, what are your credentials, the team was 13-3 last year rain down. 

 

My statement still stands. Applaud the guy for saying Allen lost his edge, because you'll get the typical blowback here.  

Except they give interviews about it. 

 

Watch Joe Burrow's with Chris Simms, or Justin Herbert's physical plan where he made the decision to add more muscle. 

 

Of course we don't attend the Jordan Palmer Passing Camp, but some information on this does come out. 

So your nit picks of Allen and the Bills are okay but these are not legit points to make in response - "the eruption of Beane knows what he's doing, what are your credentials, the team was 13-3 last year rain down"?

 

 

 

[teef]

i personally think there's a big difference between losing your edge and having a down year.  i don't think allen has lost his edge at all.  everything was a bit off last season, so i don't think it's absurd to think they can turn it all around.  it's the same people panicking over nothing.

[Pirate Angel]

he is in a position to go balls deep into celebrity *****..what would any rational man do? 

[CincyBillsFan]

12 minutes ago, teef said:

i personally think there's a big difference between losing your edge and having a down year.  i don't think allen has lost his edge at all.  everything was a bit off last season, so i don't think it's absurd to think they can turn it all around.  it's the same people panicking over nothing.

And Allen's "down year" saw him put up the following numbers (regular season + postseason):

 

Team record: 14 - 4

Total Yards:  5671

Total TD's:  46

Total TO's:  18

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, teef said:

i personally think there's a big difference between losing your edge and having a down year.  i don't think allen has lost his edge at all.  everything was a bit off last season, so i don't think it's absurd to think they can turn it all around.  it's the same people panicking over nothing.

 

Dude, he makes commercials for Gillette and not Edge.  

 

I don't use any shaving cream.  I only electric shave and that does not require cream.  But when I did shave with a razor, I used Edge.  I preferred the bottle.

You're welcome.