balln Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Walter football , walt and charlie both had bills taking him at 27. Hes excellent value at 27. get 5 years out of him and no 2nd contract. Theres no one else worthy at 27 folks. Gibbs, Cook, and Damien Harris. Lets goooooooo 1 1 6 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Maybe trade back up a few spots in the 2nd round if he is still on the board, not at #27. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 lol let’s see whose on the board at 27 first. I really have no interest in him though. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Wouldn't a starter at any other position, who is deserving of a 2nd contract, offer more value at 27 than Gibbs? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Bills and drafting a RB with their 1st round pick Draft experts: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 “Draft experts” have to find a landing spot for RBs that they have a first round grade on in their mock drafts …and for some reason these last few years it’s always the Bills.. I would put the chances as below 5 percent they pick this guy at 27 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: Wouldn't a starter at any other position, who is deserving of a 2nd contract, offer more value at 27 than Gibbs? As a fiscal matter, you are 100% correct. If for some reason, the Bills brain trust thinks Gibbs or another low value position player is the missing link to a Super Bowl for the 2023 season, it could be logical to not follow the logical fiscal decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted April 15, 2023 Author Share Posted April 15, 2023 Just now, Aussie Joe said: “Draft experts” have to find a landing spot for RBs that they have a first round grade on in their mock drafts …and for some reason these last few years it’s always the Bills.. I would put the chances as below 5 percent they pick this guy at 27 Ok I hear that. Maybe more of a product of having to peg someone in. bills need impact players. If he ends up Alvin kamara or cmc - even tho it looks silly on paper now. You gotta pull the tirgger vs other positions that will end up like marginal players / Rousseau and Oliver and elam 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Just now, balln said: Ok I hear that. Maybe more of a product of having to peg someone in. bills need impact players. If he ends up Alvin kamara or cmc - even tho it looks silly on paper now. You gotta pull the tirgger vs other positions that will end up like marginal players / Rousseau and Oliver and elam My problem is that they don’t seem to value RBs in their play calling enough to justify a first round pick … They have their second round pick from last year, a guy they traded a 5th for mid season, ( and then never used) and they rounded it out with Damien Harris who I think is good player and gives them a bit of power to go with the other two’s finesse and speed.. If this is their 3 RBs that suit up each week then I think that’s sufficient to meet their run game commitments 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 You know how I know I hate this draft? The RBs are beginning to look real good to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 I'll barf if we take a RB in round 1, especially if it isn't even the best RB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 The problem with drafting a running back and keeping him on a "cheap" rookie deal is that a first round salary is actually pretty expensive for a running back. Devin Lloyd was the 27th pick last year and signed for 3.2 million a year. This year, that pick will cost a bit more. That would mean that only 4 of this year's free agent RBs would have been more expensive. Only 2 (Sanders and Montgomery) at about 6 million are substantially more. So, for about the same price you could get a Perine, Mattison, or one of the Miami backs. Sure, maybe Gibbs will be great and much better than those backs, but many 1st round backs disappoint, too. At least with a free agent you have a better sense of what they can do. With what running backs make, and how the rookie scale works, I just don't think a 1st round RB selection makes sense. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted April 15, 2023 Author Share Posted April 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, fergie's ire said: The problem with drafting a running back and keeping him on a "cheap" rookie deal is that a first round salary is actually pretty expensive for a running back. Devin Lloyd was the 27th pick last year and signed for 3.2 million a year. This year, that pick will cost a bit more. That would mean that only 4 of this year's free agent RBs would have been more expensive. Only 2 (Sanders and Montgomery) at about 6 million are substantially more. So, for about the same price you could get a Perine, Mattison, or one of the Miami backs. Sure, maybe Gibbs will be great and much better than those backs, but many 1st round backs disappoint, too. At least with a free agent you have a better sense of what they can do. With what running backs make, and how the rookie scale works, I just don't think a 1st round RB selection makes sense. It only makes sense if they’re really good. Bc it’s predictable they fall off precipitously from age 28,29,30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, MJS said: I'll barf if we take a RB in round 1, especially if it isn't even the best RB. I'm with you. I'm just underwhelmed with this draft in general. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 This is literally an exact replica of what happened last year. Clear massive hole at corner. Beane talks up Dane Jackson etc. All the mocks have us taking Breece Hall, we take a corner. Here we are again, with a better running back room from last year and being mocked a worse prospect than Hall. Beane is hiding his intentions, big time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 52 minutes ago, balln said: Walter football , walt and charlie both had bills taking him at 27. Hes excellent value at 27. get 5 years out of him and no 2nd contract. Theres no one else worthy at 27 folks. Gibbs, Cook, and Damien Harris. Lets goooooooo And piss off all three of them for lack of carries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 (edited) Love Gibbs, what round do we draft a QB that is willing to swing passes out to the flat to the RB and where do we hire the OC that utilizes a running back? Can’t see the Gibbs at 27 with all of our holes and the way we use the position. Edited April 15, 2023 by JDubya76 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 I will just my TV If the Bills draft Gibbs. Make no sense whatsoever if you are trying to win a Super Bowl in the next couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Similar player to a Cook and we just signed Harris If we go RB then it better be Robinson who profiles as a 3 down game breaking gold jacket type Otherwise it would be a bad decision in round 1 or 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 (edited) Yes! What we need most is more RBs, we can get one in every round, it will be great, between the Special teamers and RBs we will be set for years…, (some sarcasm included) Edited April 15, 2023 by Don Otreply 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 I did a draft profile on him 3 weeks ago. Anyone that says he is the came as Cook is clueless. This guy is Cook on steroids. I would not be mad at this choice... but would not be my first choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 I'm down for drafting a long snapper in the 1st round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 51 minutes ago, buffblue said: I'm down for drafting a long snapper in the 1st round .. stop.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 It’s not that he’s the same type of back, but possibly better than cook maybe he is It’s that we have that skill set on our team now with cooki we just spent a second round pick on him and frankly he’s been doing pretty damn well There were almost surely be a better player that fits what we’re trying to do on the draft board 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted April 16, 2023 Author Share Posted April 16, 2023 i think ppl need to watch the entire video i posted before commenting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 Well actually Jahmyr was not the fastest RB in this class if one trusts the Combine results. Devon Achane was. And they were both quite a ways from Chris Johnson's 4.22. Gibbs may well turn out to be a great back but it looks to me that Beane has started to address the position with the drafting of Cook, the trade for Hines and the signing of Harris. I don't think he's done but I don't believe his next move will be to spend a high draft pick on a RB when there are other needs and opportunities for improving the offense, including the run game itself with a better o-line. I get the impression that many commenters don't really know or closely follow the Bills. They've probably been hearing all year that the Bills need a more balanced attack so they say hey just draft Jahmyr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, balln said: i think ppl need to watch the entire video i posted before commenting I agree.. And there is proof of concept on this kid unlike Cook. This is a proven RB, where as Cook not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, balln said: i think ppl need to watch the entire video i posted before commenting I watched it I still feel the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 Just now, John from Riverside said: I watched it I still feel the same Rarely do I disagree with you River.. But there is no comparing this kids accomplishments in college to what and who cook is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 Just now, PrimeTime101 said: Rarely do I disagree with you River.. But there is no comparing this kids accomplishments in college to what and who cook is. He may end up being a better back then cook I’m not disputing that What I am saying is given how much the resource is going to be used given what we have done in the off-season, and given the fact that we know that our o line has to improve It’s not a smart allocation of resource. We need to start drafting o linemen with these premium pics and start taking it seriously 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 Just now, John from Riverside said: He may end up being a better back then cook I’m not disputing that What I am saying is given how much the resource is going to be used given what we have done in the off-season, and given the fact that we know that our o line has to improve It’s not a smart allocation of resource. We need to start drafting o linemen with these premium pics and start taking it seriously With the state of our WR's we have right now? It would not shock me if we ran more this year.. RB.. not QB runs. Keep in mind... this kid is no where close to what I want round 1... but if we landed him? I would not be upset. The HC has been very clear about wanting to protect the QB this year and how we go about doing it.. QB Slides and more RB runs. I would rather have T, WR well over a RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, MJS said: I'll barf if we take a RB in round 1, especially if it isn't even the best RB. Yes, Bijan is the only RB I'd take at 27. I still don't trust this organization attempting to expand the run game to take pressure off 17. The WR room will need expanding immediately. So if Bijan is not there, stick to the plan and pick the best WR or OT available. And who knows, maybe there's an UDFA RB who shines and can supplement Cook/Harris. Edited April 16, 2023 by LABILLBACKER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 Can't spell it, can't pronounce it. Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 14 hours ago, MJS said: I'll barf if we take a RB in round 1, especially if it isn't even the best RB. Keep an eye at 18. If Bijan is still on the board, I see the Bills moving up and getting him with an Ed Oliver trade and swapping 1st rd picks. Getting Detroit's late 2nd/early 3rd for Ed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: Keep an eye at 18. If Bijan is still on the board, I see the Bills moving up and getting him with an Ed Oliver trade and swapping 1st rd picks. Getting Detroit's late 2nd/early 3rd for Ed. Trading up for a RB in round 1 would be ridiculous. Let's cross our fingers that doesn't happen. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: Keep an eye at 18. If Bijan is still on the board, I see the Bills moving up and getting him with an Ed Oliver trade and swapping 1st rd picks. Getting Detroit's late 2nd/early 3rd for Ed. You think we’d give them Ed and 27 and get back 18 AND a 2nd or 3rd rd pick?? Cmon man. You need to chill with the wake and bake 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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