Bills Sign OG David Edwards

[TampaBillsJunkie]

48 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Indeed, I miss Richie

 

Me too. Feliciano was pretty good too.

[MrEpsYtown]

57 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Morse is to the point where he’s so susceptible to concussions, that when it happens, we as fans don’t even recognize the cause. The knock to the head might look harmless or routine, but shortly after we hear “Morse has suffered a concussion and is out for the game.”
He’s a decent pass protector, but has always been average to below average in the run game. If he suffers another concussion this year you can assume it’ll be his last season in Buffalo. 

My whole thing is that people have been saying this about Morse since we signed him, again preferring Matt Paradis for some reason, who had been an injured mess. I remember like it was yesterday. Morse’s  risk is no different really since he got here. They are very careful with him. 
 

Morse has been fine and I think he plays out his contract. If he were concerned he would retire. If the Bills were concerned they would cut him and take the cap space. I’m not worried about Mitch. 

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, K-9 said:

Unless a blue chip offensive player falls to us or McBeane feels one is worth trading up for, the board should brace itself for another first round pick of a defensive player. My guess would be DT, but McD loves his MLBs, too. 

 

I think if we trade for DeAndre Hopkins, Jack Campbell becomes the favorite for our 1st round pick. His fit with us makes too much sense. No one should complain if that happens. We'll have spent the entire free agency period up to that point upgrading the offense. We've signed zero defensive players.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think if we trade for DeAndre Hopkins, Jack Campbell becomes the favorite for our 1st round pick. His fit with us makes too much sense. No one should complain if that happens. We'll have spent the entire free agency period up to that point upgrading the offense. We've signed zero defensive players.

Why Jack Campbell?? Because his measurables are similar to Edmunds? I'd take any LB who can anticipate and cover. 

[Einstein]

5 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

4th season Depth Signing... 

 

SUPERBOWL!

 

lol I haven't even read the entire thread but I can all but guarantee there is someone in here talking about how amazing this move was and how underrated it was and how Beane is a master.

[3rdand12]

I like this signing.
Was hoping for it actually. Kromer connection adds to it.

 But, I was expecting Bates to play the LG position and Connor the right with Ike as swing ?

 What does this mean now?
Let them all compete, or is there a prejudged thinking about which positions these guys will start ??

 Thinking for me was McGovern was brought in to start at RG

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think if we trade for DeAndre Hopkins, Jack Campbell becomes the favorite for our 1st round pick. His fit with us makes too much sense. No one should complain if that happens. We'll have spent the entire free agency period up to that point upgrading the offense. We've signed zero defensive players.

 

Does it? I mean he can't play the role Edmunds played. They would have to change the defense to start Campbell as a rookie. 

 

I think he is a high floor player. But I am not sure he is quite such an automatic fit here.

13 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

lol I haven't even read the entire thread but I can all but guarantee there is someone in here talking about how amazing this move was and how underrated it was and how Beane is a master.

 

This is a good move. My favourite of the moves made so far.

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, f0neguy said:

As Edwards and Bates both have some experience at center,  is there a chance that Morse has had enough concussions and walks away?   He’s been dinged up a few times over the last couple of seasons.   I realize that Edwards had a concussion last season but don’t think he’s had multiple like Morse.  Now we’ve got two bigger, younger players to possibly step up.

 

There's a chance Morse gets concussed again and decides to hang up the cleats any time, but I hope not.  There's a big difference between "some experience at center" and a top C in the league, a level Morse played at last year.

 

Edwards didn't just have "a concussion", he had two concussions in 2 weeks, that put him on IR and then when they opened his 21 day window and tried to bring him back, he couldn't make it.  So he basically lost 3/4 of a season to 'a concussion', which is actually more worrisome to me than multiple concussions that were recovered from more rapidly. 

 

I think Edwards would be binned as a "high risk, high reward" signing - if he stays healthy, you get a SB-team level OG, but he could get concussed again and go out for the season at any time. 

[ColoradoBills]

So currently going into OTAs I see the OL like this.

 

LOCKS:

Dawkins

Bates

Morris

McGovern (or the other way around with Bates)

Brown

Edwards (Depth and competing for a LG/RG starting spot)

 

Currently the LT/RT Depth:

Doyle

Quessenberry

 

Boettger (starts season on PUP, unless injuries in camp gives him a chance)

 

Camp depth fighting for PS spots:

Mancz

Anderson

Van Demark

 

There is most definitely still room (and a need for OL) on a Day 1 or Day 2 pick.

My thoughts now are this:

If an OL is taken on Day 1 it's most likely an OT.

If an OL is taken on Day 2 to it could be an OT or G or C depending on their future plans.

If an OL is taken on Day 3 or never, I will be disappointed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Beck Water]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Does it? I mean he can't play the role Edmunds played. They would have to change the defense to start Campbell as a rookie. 

 

I think he is a high floor player. But I am not sure he is quite such an automatic fit here.

 

Say more about Campbell and the differences you see between Edmunds and Campbell in how the defense would function.

 

I know he's slower (a 4.6 guy) but the OBL crew and Maddy Glab were discussing him and described him as very cerebral, very fast to process, and solid in coverage.

 

Especially his first two years here, and somewhat his third year, the knock on Edmunds seemed to be that he had incredible athleticism and the reach of a pteryactyl, but struggled to figure out how to apply them.

 

[TAinLack.]

5 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

People gotta be more original……posting “Super Bowl” after every signing ran its course back in the early 2000’s of the message boards!

How about "Championship"!

[Beck Water]

5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

So currently going into OTAs I see the OL like this.

 

LOCKS:

Dawkins

Bates

Morse

McGovern (or the other way around with Bates)

Brown

Edwards (Depth and competing for a LG/RG starting spot)

 

Currently the LT/RT Depth:

Doyle

Quessenberry

 

Boettger (starts season on PUP, unless injuries in camp gives him a chance)

 

Camp depth fighting for PS spots:

Mancz

Anderson

Van Demark

 

There is most definitely still room (and a need for OL) on a Day 1 or Day 2 pick.

My thoughts now are this:

If an OL is taken on Day 1 it's most likely an OT.

If an OL is taken on Day 2 to it could be an OT or G or C depending on their future plans.

If an OL is taken on Day 3 or never, I will be disappointed.

 

-Why do you think Boettger would start the season on PUP?  He was healthy enough to be active and take snaps in one game; he was also healthy enough to be re-signed to a 1 yr deal.  Remember PUP is ONLY for players who are not physically able to take a single rep in training camp.  Once they do, they become ineligible for PUP.

 

-Why do you think the team would rely on Doyle as LT/RT depth, when he is rehabbing from an ACL tear that was probably operated on in mid-Oct, and may well start TC on PUP?

 

I don't care if an OL is taken on Day 3, but if that's the only OL taken, I'll share your disappointment. 

I'm preparing for disappointment though

 

I agree with you, I don't think they take an OG in the 1st round on Day 1.

 

[Sierra Foothills]

5 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

People gotta be more original……posting “Super Bowl” after every signing ran its course back in the early 2000’s of the message boards!

 

Okay. How about... "Ive heard of him!"

 

5 hours ago, Airseven said:

 

And as long as the guy's bell isn't still ringing.

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Yantha said:

 

 

 

Backup OC might be a bigger draft need than backup OG now.  

 

Well, both Bates and McGovern have played center before. Possibly an heir apparent for Morse/future starter but I don't think we need backup depth at center.

 

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

How do we guarantee no more concussions?

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Appears to be a good signing, 

 

Don't worry... it's early. The vultures will smell this soon enough.

 

 

[HappyDays]

34 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Why Jack Campbell?? Because his measurables are similar to Edmunds?

 

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Does it? I mean he can't play the role Edmunds played. They would have to change the defense to start Campbell as a rookie. 

 

I think he is a high floor player. But I am not sure he is quite such an automatic fit here.

 

He's a character/personality fit. He fills a need. He's been training with Luke Keuchly. That's why I think he would be our target in the 1st round.

 

At this point we're not likely to find a like for like Edmunds replacement. So they'll have to modify the scheme to account for a MLB with less sideline to sideline range no matter what. Beane is dragging his feet, almost like he already knows he can find a MLB in the draft.

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Say more about Campbell and the differences you see between Edmunds and Campbell in how the defense would function.

 

I know he's slower (a 4.6 guy) but the OBL crew and Maddy Glab were discussing him and described him as very cerebral, very fast to process, and solid in coverage.

 

Especially his first two years here, and somewhat his third year, the knock on Edmunds seemed to be that he had incredible athleticism and the reach of a pteryactyl, but struggled to figure out how to apply them.

 

 

Well "fast to process" is one immediate difference to Edmunds. Haha. 

 

Edmunds is what I consider a latetal linebacker. He is at his best going sideline to sideline. Campbell is a vertical linebacker. He is at his best attacking the line of scrimmage. He is more like a younger, more athletic AJ Klein to me. 

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

-Why do you think Boettger would start the season on PUP?  He was healthy enough to be active and take snaps in one game; he was also healthy enough to be re-signed to a 1 yr deal.  Remember PUP is ONLY for players who are not physically able to take a single rep in training camp.  Once they do, they become ineligible for PUP.

 

-Why do you think the team would rely on Doyle as LT/RT depth, when he is rehabbing from an ACL tear that was probably operated on in mid-Oct, and may well start TC on PUP?

 

I don't care if an OL is taken on Day 3, but if that's the only OL taken, I'll share your disappointment. 

I'm preparing for disappointment though

 

I agree with you, I don't think they take an OG in the 1st round on Day 1.

 

 

1st:  Because Ike is always on PUP/IR.  LOL.  If he isn't he will battle only as depth.

2nd:  All true about Doyle, and Quiz is not an answer.  Thus, my opinion that an OT will most likely be taken in Day 1 or 2.

[John from Riverside]

41 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

lol I haven't even read the entire thread but I can all but guarantee there is someone in here talking about how amazing this move was and how underrated it was and how Beane is a master.

If we get the David Edwards of two years ago, we found something

[Einstein]

40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

This is a good move. My favourite of the moves made so far.

 

Hope you're right!

Why was he still available on such a short deal?

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

Hope you're right!

Why was he still available on such a short deal?

As stated upthread, he had concussion issues that cost him most of last season. Maybe some teams are wary.

If he returns to prior form, it's a solid signing.

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

As stated upthread, he had concussion issues that cost him most of last season. Maybe some teams are wary.

If he returns to prior form, it's a solid signing.

 

I would say that if he had to sign cheaper, why not with an OL coach you like and a SB contender?

[Dr. Who]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

I would say that if he had to sign cheaper, why not with an OL coach you like and a SB contender?

I like the signing, just trying to answer Einstein's question. I'm still waiting for his current thoughts on quantum theory. 

[3rdand12]

24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Well "fast to process" is one immediate difference to Edmunds. Haha. 

 

Edmunds is what I consider a latetal linebacker. He is at his best going sideline to sideline. Campbell is a vertical linebacker. He is at his best attacking the line of scrimmage. He is more like a younger, more athletic AJ Klein to me. 

Just scheme the defense accordingly. Bills were over dependent upon Edmunds skill set and likely compensated for his slow reads and commit to the gap.
 would rather have a guy at MLB who could stack and shed and pick the correct leverage. then move into the proper lane to INITIATE contact lol

 Cheers Bill !

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I like the signing, just trying to answer Einstein's question. I'm still waiting for his current thoughts on quantum theory. 

 

[3rdand12]

4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

are those the most current theories from Einstein ? of just the regurgitated same old stuck in the mud equations

[ColoradoBills]

Just now, 3rdand12 said:

are those the most current theories from Einstein ? of just the regurgitated same old stuck in the mud equations

 

That's just the "general" one.  The "special" one is the one with the E.

Or so I was told.

[3rdand12]

12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

That's just the "general" one.  The "special" one is the one with the E.

Or so I was told.

LOld

 really, I  laughed out loud .

 Ty

[2ForMacAdoo]

4 hours ago, balln said:

This is known as a tank. Try and get a franchise qb and recoup draft picks

But what good does a tank do you when you're the Rams and don't have a 1st round draft choice until 2056?

[Marlton Bills]

I’m not sure if this is right but with a QB like Josh aren’t the guards and the center more important than the tackles?  He can help neutralize the edge rushers with his feet. I really think Browny will improve this year, but I think it’s the guard play that we needed reinforcement. 

Edited March 23, 2023 by Marlton Bills

[K-9]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think if we trade for DeAndre Hopkins, Jack Campbell becomes the favorite for our 1st round pick. His fit with us makes too much sense. No one should complain if that happens. We'll have spent the entire free agency period up to that point upgrading the offense. We've signed zero defensive players.

That was my line of thinking as well. Size wise, Campbell is a clone of Edmunds and while not as fast over the 40, he has  comparable athleticism in other areas. He just seems like a McD kind of player and we certainly have a need now that Tremaine is in Chicago. 
 

Other than TE, we have addressed every positional group on the O side of the ball. Now a lot can happen between now and the draft, but at the moment the signs are pointing at defense yet again for our first round pick. 

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, Marlton Bills said:

I’m not sure if this is right but with a QB like Josh aren’t the guards and the center more important than the tackles?  He can help neutralize the she rushers with his feet. I really think Browny will improve this year, but I think it’s the guard play that we needed reinforcement. 

 

Agree totally with the G/C comment.  LT is the blind spot so it's important.  A lot of Josh's fumbles come from the blindside.

I do feel if the line is good with those 4, the least important is the RT.  Josh has a knacked to move around that DE.

It's the guys in his face that cause the most disruption to him IMO. 

[Freddie's Dead]

We need more OG's on this team.  Gotta have that gangsta mentality.  

[ProcessTruster]

solid. 

 

McBeanes are killing it again

 

Under the radar, just upgrading everywhere.  slowly and quietly.   O Line, RBs, WRs. 

[Aussie Joe]

7 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

solid. 

 

McBeanes are killing it again

 

Under the radar, just upgrading everywhere.  slowly and quietly.   O Line, RBs, WRs. 

 

Yep.. User Name checks out...

[BigAl2526]

If Buffalo drafts an offensive lineman in April at this point it should be someone who is position versatile, someone who can play on the inside or outside.  That rules out O'Cyrus Torrence, who is a guard only.

[GreggTX]

Another backup OL? We have more backup OL than any other team, including the ones we give starting jobs to. I guess with our salary cap situation and the other holes on our roster, we'll have to wait until at least 2024 to get this OL up to speed. I think having a former DC as HC has given OBD the attitude that you can win a SB with a bad OL if your QB is good at running for his life. I just wonder how much better Josh would look if we had a good OL and run game. I just think this 'not the very worst is good enough' attitude is going to hold us back.

 

[GolfandBills]

5 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Another backup OL? We have more backup OL than any other team, including the ones we give starting jobs to. I guess with our salary cap situation and the other holes on our roster, we'll have to wait until at least 2024 to get this OL up to speed. I think having a former DC as HC has given OBD the attitude that you can win a SB with a bad OL if your QB is good at running for his life. I just wonder how much better Josh would look if we had a good OL and run game. I just think this 'not the very worst is good enough' attitude is going to hold us back.

 

lol the guy was a starter for 4 years for LA

[letsgoteam]

8 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

He is making a comeback I read and looked in tremendous shape

 

Holy cow, the dude is jacked. Good for him!

[GreggTX]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think if we trade for DeAndre Hopkins, Jack Campbell becomes the favorite for our 1st round pick. His fit with us makes too much sense. No one should complain if that happens. We'll have spent the entire free agency period up to that point upgrading the offense. We've signed zero defensive players.

 

___________________

Sorry, but no. We haven't upgraded the offense or the defense for that matter. We've added depth players other than Poyer and Harris, but Poyer was already with us and Harris is no better than Singletary. So even with those 2 signings, it's a wash. With the possible exception of Harty, the rest are castoffs, backups.

Beane has missed on too many high (Day 1 & 2) picks and now we're paying for it -- Basham, Brown, Ford, Oliver, Cook, Bernard, Epenesa, Moss, Singletary, Harrison Phillips. All of these guys are bad, underperforming or no longer on the roster. Cook has a chance to be good, but only in a limited role. Brown has yet to develop, if he ever will.

Beane can't possibly fix that in 1 draft weekend. That bill has come due and restructuring more contracts just adds to future salary cap problems. It will take another offseason or 2 to fix this and that assumes that Beane gets red hot and makes all the right moves.

 

Edited March 24, 2023 by GreggTX

[Dr. Who]

1 hour ago, BigAl2526 said:

If Buffalo drafts an offensive lineman in April at this point it should be someone who is position versatile, someone who can play on the inside or outside.  That rules out O'Cyrus Torrence, who is a guard only.

Matthew Bergeron. Could get him in the second.

[John from Riverside]

7 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think if we trade for DeAndre Hopkins, Jack Campbell becomes the favorite for our 1st round pick. His fit with us makes too much sense. No one should complain if that happens. We'll have spent the entire free agency period up to that point upgrading the offense. We've signed zero defensive players.

 

___________________

Sorry, but no. We haven't upgraded the offense or the defense for that matter. We've added depth players other than Poyer and Harris, but Poyer was already with us and Harris is no better than Singletary. So even with those 2 signings, it's a wash. With the possible exception of Harty, the rest are castoffs, backups.

Beane has missed on too many high (Day 1 & 2) picks and now we're paying for it -- Basham, Brown, Ford, Oliver, Cook, Bernard, Epenesa, Moss, Singletary, Harrison Phillips. All of these guys are bad, underperforming or no longer on the roster. Cook has a chance to be good, but only in a limited role. Brown has yet to develop, if he ever will.

Beane can't possibly fix that in 1 draft weekend. That bill has come due and restructuring more contracts just adds to future salary cap problems. It will take another offseason or 2 to fix this and that assumes that Beane gets red hot and makes all the right moves.

 

We currently do not have a middle linebacker starter on the roster
 

It’s gonna have to come from somewhere