What would you trade for Jerry Jeudy?

[starrymessenger]

33 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I included one of the very few positive comments about him in that post you quoted. I also included the link to the forum so you can see for yourself.

I was not suggesting that you were cherry picking, just that over time one is likely to find positive comments as well. 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

Just checked out the Broncos forum and in particular a thread titled “What is everyone’s thoughts on Jerry Jeudy?” It’s from this season, so they’ve been watching him for 2.5 seasons at the point the thread was written.

 

The most liked comment was: “Runs a beautiful route, but can’t catch the ball.”

 

Another poster replied: “…Wilson’s been awful, but that doesn’t excuse the judges inability to catch any balls in traffic…”

 

To which another poster said: “Yep, anytime a defender is within arms length he drops it”.

 

Another poster chimes in: “The drops are one thing but he can figure it out. What irritates me is how he never makes plays on the ball…”

 

Another poster quips: “Beautiful routes. Butterfull hands.”

 

As the avalanche of negative reports raged on, one poster says: “Believed his own hype, will never live up to it.”

 

Another says: “Actually worried he’s a bust with consistent drops and overall contribution to the offense.”

 

The second to last post I read said: “should be traded before the league finds out how overrated he is”

 

All is not lost though. One positive poster replies: “…He’s the type of player that will head to somewhere like Pittsburgh or Buffalo where the coach knows how to get the most out of him and will be very successful.”

 

YIKES!

 

link

 

Edit: the rest of the comments get even worse:

 

”He’s a bust”

 

”It’s been 3 years. He’s a first round pick. He’s a bust.”

 

”Trade him to Green Bay please”

 

”He’s a bust. That might sound harsh but on a good team he’s probably WR3 or worse.”

 

“Trade him and see what we can get for him”

 

 

 

"He doesn't catch the ball." Well his catch percentage on targets in 2022 was 67.0%. For comparison Gabe Davis was 51.6%. Jeudy's drop percentage was just 5.0%; Davis's was 9.7%. The average passer rating on Jeudy's targets was 110.1; for Davis it was 80.8.

 

Hilariously, one of the comments in that thread says "even Gabe Davis from the same draft class has had a bad career."

 

So, I'm gonna go ahead and say those fans don't know what they're talking about. Or maybe it's that those comments are from October before Jeudy played his best football down the stretch.

[Mc1320]

This is about as realistic as trading a bag of magic beans for Jeudy.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 hour ago, starrymessenger said:

McKenzie had Josh Allen.

 

 

 Okay, but 1 has been the #3/#4/#5 WR on his team and was the 172nd pick in his draft and the other has been the #1 WR or at worst #2 WR on his team and was the 15th pick in his draft.

 

 But let's go with your thought, Tim Patrick has more tds(11 vs 9) on less targets(195 vs 269) on the same team with the same QBs. And he wasn't even drafted, he was an UDFA. Only has about 600 less yards than Jeudy also during that span. Again on 74 less targets.

 

No thanks. A big old pass from me.

 

 

[Chaos]

22 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Both were first round picks and have 5th year options so, yes, both were controllable for 5 seasons. Oliver is on his 5th year option now. Jeudy has his next season. 

Stefon Diggs was also controllable for five seasons. What is your point?

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

"He doesn't catch the ball." Well his catch percentage on targets in 2022 was 67.0%. For comparison Gabe Davis was 51.6%. Jeudy's drop percentage was just 5.0%; Davis's was 9.7%. The average passer rating on Jeudy's targets was 110.1; for Davis it was 80.8.

 

Hilariously, one of the comments in that thread says "even Gabe Davis from the same draft class has had a bad career."

 

So, I'm gonna go ahead and say those fans don't know what they're talking about. Or maybe it's that those comments are from October before Jeudy played his best football down the stretch.

 

The fans who have watched him for 2.5 years don’t know what they’re talking about? Okay then…

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, Einstein said:

Just checked out the Broncos forum and in particular a thread titled “What is everyone’s thoughts on Jerry Jeudy?” It’s from this season, so they’ve been watching him for 2.5 seasons at the point the thread was written.

 

The most liked comment was: “Runs a beautiful route, but can’t catch the ball.”

 

Another poster replied: “…Wilson’s been awful, but that doesn’t excuse the judges inability to catch any balls in traffic…”

 

To which another poster said: “Yep, anytime a defender is within arms length he drops it”.

 

Another poster chimes in: “The drops are one thing but he can figure it out. What irritates me is how he never makes plays on the ball…”

 

Another poster quips: “Beautiful routes. Butterfull hands.”

 

As the avalanche of negative reports raged on, one poster says: “Believed his own hype, will never live up to it.”

 

Another says: “Actually worried he’s a bust with consistent drops and overall contribution to the offense.”

 

The second to last post I read said: “should be traded before the league finds out how overrated he is”

 

All is not lost though. One positive poster replies: “…He’s the type of player that will head to somewhere like Pittsburgh or Buffalo where the coach knows how to get the most out of him and will be very successful.”

 

YIKES!

 

link

 

Edit: the rest of the comments get even worse:

 

”He’s a bust”

 

”It’s been 3 years. He’s a first round pick. He’s a bust.”

 

”Trade him to Green Bay please”

 

”He’s a bust. That might sound harsh but on a good team he’s probably WR3 or worse.”

 

“Trade him and see what we can get for him”

 

 

You keep on doing this thing where you like to go to another teams board and download their comments like they mean something

 

There’s a reason why they call fans fans they should not be counted on to make football decisions

Edited March 19, 2023 by John from Riverside

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Stefon Diggs was also controllable for five seasons. What is your point?

A poster argued that they weren’t. I pointed out that they obviously were. 

[HappyDays]

29 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The fans who have watched him for 2.5 years don’t know what they’re talking about? Okay then…

 

No, that's just one thread from 5 months ago that you found. Here's one from this week:

 

 

This thread has a lot of Broncos fans saying they don't want to trade Jeudy. Many specifically state how well he played late in the season.

 

Interesting that you searched so far back in time to find a thread that fit your opinion. No agenda, I'm sure.

[BillsFanForever19]

To the people hoping for an Ed Oliver trade - I think it's FAR more likely that he'd be extended for cap space than it is he'd be traded for cap space.

 

Especially after Beane mentioned him as a player he'd like to keep beyond his rookie contract unsolicited while talking about Edmunds departure.

Edited March 19, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 3/17/2023 at 9:22 PM, RocCityRoller said:

What do you say TBD?

I would do it in a NY Minute

 

in a heartbeat, Oliver is a jag

 

 

On 3/17/2023 at 9:28 PM, John from Riverside said:

In a California minute

 

might take longer 

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

in a heartbeat, Oliver is a jag

 

I love how someone not completely living up to their lofty expectations coming out of College and someone being picked below them performing better automatically equates to being "jag".

 

Tremaine Edmunds all over again. And he just got handed the best deal for an ILB in the NFL. We take players for granted and the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

 

Before Miller and Phillips went down, Oliver was performing quite well consistently. After Von's injury, teams focused blocking on him a lot more while singling Rousseau and Lawson/Epenesa. He was AFC Defensive Players of the Week for his performance in the Thanksgiving game. Beane has been talking up wanting to extend him.

 

But yeah, he's "jag" 🙄

Edited March 19, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

To the people hoping for an Ed Oliver trade - I think it's FAR more likely that he'd be extended for cap space than it is he'd be traded for cap space.

 

Especially after Beane mentioned him as a player he'd like to keep beyond his rookie contract unsolicited while talking about Edmunds departure.

I don't understand the infatuation. The dude just does not produce with anything remotely resembling consistency.

[Einstein]

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Interesting that you searched so far back in time to find a thread that fit your opinion.

 

It was the first result in the google search. Interesting indeed!

 

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

No agenda, I'm sure.

 

Speaking of agenda, even your thread example has plenty of Broncos fans saying to trade him. It's about 50/50, which is better than the early season thread (which was 90% doom) but it still shows a fan base that has watched him for 3 straight years and are divided on whether he is any good. That's who you want to spend a 1st round pick on.

 

I love how the most liked response to the pro-keep-him crowd is "It’s crazy how a guy who was mediocre for 2.5 seasons is now seen as untouchable". Indeed.

 

Thankfully, I don't think Beane is stupid enough to make this trade anyway.

 

 

You also ignored the point about one of the best offensive minds in the NFL being willing to trade him.

[HappyDays]

 

[NewEra]

On 3/19/2023 at 4:22 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I don't understand the infatuation. The dude just does not produce with anything remotely resembling consistency.

I didn’t read an infatuation in his post.  He said he’s not a jag.  He’s right.  He’s not.  He’s better than a Jag and won’t be paid like a jag. 
 

I agree with those people that would rather use his cap space on offense and replace him with someone a lot cheaper.  That player would likely be a Jag…..but Ed is not.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 3/19/2023 at 3:49 AM, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I love how someone not completely living up to their lofty expectations coming out of College and someone being picked below them performing better automatically equates to being "jag".

 

Tremaine Edmunds all over again. And he just got handed the best deal for an ILB in the NFL. We take players for granted and the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

 

Before Miller and Phillips went down, Oliver was performing quite well consistently. After Von's injury, teams focused blocking on him a lot more while singling Rousseau and Lawson/Epenesa. He was AFC Defensive Players of the Week for his performance in the Thanksgiving game. Beane has been talking up wanting to extend him.

 

But yeah, he's "jag" 🙄

 

It's tough too because it feels like everyone was banged up by the end of the year.  I feel like Oliver was a constant on injury reports most of the season.  

[Warriorspikes51]

I would rather sign Odell and draft a rookie in rounds 1-3  than give up pick 27 + for Jeudy 

[Chandler#81]

What would I trade for Jeudy? @Gugny’s jock strap, but I’d want a conditional 3rd in return as well.

[Rico]

Trent Sherfield.

[NewEra]

53 minutes ago, Rico said:

Trent Sherfield.

He’s pretty good-  haven’t seen the financials but if it’s under 2M aav, it’s a nice addition

[ColoradoBills]

Jeudy is a good WR for the Broncos and has some BAD QBs throwing him the ball.

He had a lot of drops his first season, probably why the fans have that in their heads.

He does always seem to have a nagging injury and giving up a 1st (or 2nd with a player) seems too much in my book for a guy

who will be a 5th year option wanting to get big money next season.

 

If he was a #15 overall pick for the Bills, a lot of people on this board would be calling his 750 yard, 3 TD per year play a bust.

[Fan in Chicago]

44 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He’s pretty good-  haven’t seen the financials but if it’s under 2M aav, it’s a nice addition

Honest question - What makes you think he is good? His stats look pedestrian at best and he has been bouncing around in the 5 years he has been in the league

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Honest question - What makes you think he is good? His stats look pedestrian at best and he has been bouncing around in the 5 years he has been in the league

Because I watched him a lot in 2021z  I aMy best friend is a die hard niner fan.  I’ve been watching every niner game for the last 15+ years.  Sherfield really impressed me watching him 2021.  He was starting over Brandon Aiyuk the first 1/4 of the season mainly because he was doing everything right and 💯.  He can run block (Pff rated him #1 last year), run proper routes inside and out, has reliable hands, solid RAC, can make contested catches and is a core ST player with good speed.  
 

 

Can anyone tell me anything that they don’t like about him…. other than his production? I think he’s going to be a cheap and end of the rotation backup WR that may surprise and earn more snaps than people think. He’s done it the last two years.  
 

Miami signed Cedrick Wilson to a 3-22M contract to be Miamis WR3.  Wilson played 22% of their offensive snaps.  Sherfield played 57% and led their team in ST snaps. He earns his snaps.  If he doesn’t get 40% of our snaps this season I think that it’ll be because Beane added another very good WR.  I think he’ll get snaps over any WR selected after rd 2.  

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Because I watched him a lot in 2021z  I aMy best friend is a die hard niner fan.  I’ve been watching every niner game for the last 15+ years.  Sherfield really impressed me watching him 2021.  He was starting over Brandon Aiyuk the first 1/4 of the season mainly because he was doing everything right and 💯.  He can run block (Pff rated him #1 last year), run proper routes inside and out, has reliable hands, solid RAC, can make contested catches and is a core ST player with good speed.  .  

I understand that you have watched him play but if he is indeed that good, why does none of it show up in the stats? And he has been around for 5 years which is plenty of time to show what you can and cannot do. Color me skeptical.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

I understand that you have watched him play but if he is indeed that good, why does none of it show up in the stats? And he has been around for 5 years which is plenty of time to show what you can and cannot do. Color me skeptical.

I’m not saying he’s a star or a great player.   He’s a nice backup that can do pretty anything a WR would be asked to do.  We currently don’t have one WR that can fill the variety of roles that he can.

His stats last season (30-400+) were on par for a guy that played less than 60% of the teams plays and behind Tyreek hill and waddle.  Why throw to sherfield when you can throw to them?

 

He’s an upgrade to the back end of the WR room as well at ST units.  Considering the current WR sitch, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was more than a WR5-6.  As stated…. He was WR3 in Miami playing over a 7M aav investment.  
 

It’s a good signing-  feel good about it or pout about it.  Up to you.  I feel very good about it

 

 

 

[Rockinon]

Denver wants a kings for everyone. Beane should just tell them to stop blowing smoke up his ass.

[GreggTX]

Connor McGovern

[Jay_Fixit]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Because I watched him a lot in 2021z  I aMy best friend is a die hard niner fan.  I’ve been watching every niner game for the last 15+ years.  Sherfield really impressed me watching him 2021.  He was starting over Brandon Aiyuk the first 1/4 of the season mainly because he was doing everything right and 💯.  He can run block (Pff rated him #1 last year), run proper routes inside and out, has reliable hands, solid RAC, can make contested catches and is a core ST player with good speed.  
 

 

Can anyone tell me anything that they don’t like about him…. other than his production? I think he’s going to be a cheap and end of the rotation backup WR that may surprise and earn more snaps than people think. He’s done it the last two years.  
 

Miami signed Cedrick Wilson to a 3-22M contract to be Miamis WR3.  Wilson played 22% of their offensive snaps.  Sherfield played 57% and led their team in ST snaps. He earns his snaps.  If he doesn’t get 40% of our snaps this season I think that it’ll be because Beane added another very good WR.  I think he’ll get snaps over any WR selected after rd 2.  

Sherfield started 1 game in 2021. Aiyuk started 16.

 

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Sherfield started 1 game in 2021. Aiyuk started 16.

 

My bad-  i should looked into it before posting.  I just recall watching the games with my buddy, listening to him complain about how Sherfield is keeping Aiyuk off the field for the first bit of the season.  Aiyuks snaps went from averaging 63%ish the first 6 games to 90%+ the rest of the season.  

Feel free to chime in with someone other than:  Stats.  
 

reasons why he’s a good or bad signing?

 

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

 

It’s a good signing-  feel good about it or pout about it.  Up to you.  I feel very good about it

 

 

 

I have other things to worry about in life so I am not going to pout. But I ain't gonna celebrate it either 

[RocCityRoller]

On 3/18/2023 at 12:04 AM, BarleyNY said:

WTF? Oliver’s $10.75M 5th year option became fully guaranteed the instant the Bills picked it up. 

Ed Olivier's base salary became guaranteed when the 5th year contract was picked up.

 

The base salary is always picked up by the team trading for the player. Always.

So the team trading for Oliver is on the hook for the whole salary.

Whether he plays 17 games or not, or if it is restructured.

On 3/18/2023 at 7:28 AM, Herb Nightly said:

Wrong again.  Once the option is ,exercised, salary becomes guaranteed.

The team trading for the player is responsible for the base salary, guaranteed or not.

 

It's a way to guarantee the base salary like a signing bonus.

[NewEra]

35 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

I have other things to worry about in life so I am not going to pout. But I ain't gonna celebrate it either 

I’m just going to express that I think we’ll be happy with him

[BarleyNY]

39 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

Ed Olivier's base salary became guaranteed when the 5th year contract was picked up.

 

The base salary is always picked up by the team trading for the player. Always.

So the team trading for Oliver is on the hook for the whole salary.

Whether he plays 17 games or not, or if it is restructured.

The team trading for the player is responsible for the base salary, guaranteed or not.

 

 

I think just about everyone understands all of that. Your exact quote was “None of his salary is guaranteed.” That was obviously incorrect.

[Chaos]

I would trade Sherfield and Harty straight up for Jeudy. 

[RocCityRoller]

Thanks for the replies folks.

 

Verified my initial thought, Jeudy is not worth a 1st, even #27.

 

I'm on the fence, but if Denver says #27 and or more.... no deal for me either.

 

I appreciate the input and feedback.

 

It's a crap WR market, but TSW realized it too.

Hopeful for Sherfield at WR3 and Harty at WR4.

 

oh yeah, and the draft....

12 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I think just about everyone understands all of that. Your exact quote was “None of his salary is guaranteed.” That was obviously incorrect.

Let's simplify things.

 

if Buffalo trades Oliver, they are not on the hook for anything, and gain a pick/ picks.

Period.

 

My original point withstanding. Arguing semantics with people online is really exhausting.

 

Get to the point. You are better than this.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 3/19/2023 at 3:49 AM, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I love how someone not completely living up to their lofty expectations coming out of College and someone being picked below them performing better automatically equates to being "jag".

 

Tremaine Edmunds all over again. And he just got handed the best deal for an ILB in the NFL. We take players for granted and the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

 

Before Miller and Phillips went down, Oliver was performing quite well consistently. After Von's injury, teams focused blocking on him a lot more while singling Rousseau and Lawson/Epenesa. He was AFC Defensive Players of the Week for his performance in the Thanksgiving game. Beane has been talking up wanting to extend him.

 

But yeah, he's "jag" 🙄

 

😱😱😱😱

[Einstein]

17 hours ago, NewEra said:

Because I watched him a lot in 2021z  I aMy best friend is a die hard niner fan.  I’ve been watching every niner game for the last 15+ years.  

 

Trent has now been on 4 teams in his 6 year career. He was with the 49ers for 1 year and they chose to let him leave rather than re-sign him for peanuts.

 

While you were watching him with your friend, you saw him catch 9 passes. NINE. The entire season.

 

And that’s why you think it’s a good signing? Sometimes I can’t tell if some of you are being serious or just trolling.

 

15 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Sherfield started 1 game in 2021. Aiyuk started 16.

 

 

Oh wow. So his “I watch every 49er game was impressed with him” was just complete nonsense. He started 1 game and had 9 receptions all season and that’s why New Era came away impressed with.

 

By those standards, he must have thought Kelvin Benjamin was an absolute stud.

[T master]

After i watched him drop those passes last night on the NFL network when they were playing the Sea Hawks i would take back my hamburgers that i was going to trade for him !! 

 

[NewEra]

31 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Trent has now been on 4 teams in his 6 year career. He was with the 49ers for 1 year and they chose to let him leave rather than re-sign him for peanuts.

 

While you were watching him with your friend, you saw him catch 9 passes. NINE. The entire season.

 

And that’s why you think it’s a good signing? Sometimes I can’t tell if some of you are being serious or just trolling.

 

 

Oh wow. So his “I watch every 49er game was impressed with him” was just complete nonsense. He started 1 game and had 9 receptions all season and that’s why New Era came away impressed with.

 

By those standards, he must have thought Kelvin Benjamin was an absolute stud.

I’ve stated every reason why I think he’s a good player in several posts in this thread.  If you’d like the answer, read more.