Bills sign S Zayne Anderson to a 2 year deal

[Saint Doug]

21 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Our new Matakevich.

Matakevich makes way too much money for what he does. Add Jones to the same conversation. Bye bye. This guy can take their place. 

Edited February 18, 2023 by Saint Doug

[May Day 10]

I laughed at both the Hyde and poyer acquisitions.  I know nothing

[ProcessTruster]

21 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Depth.  Plus at some point guys like Taiwan are going to be let go so will help on special teams

say good bye Taiwan Jones.  Good job while you were here.   Too bad Heath Farwell didn't give you a chance to run off some of the 13 seconds.  

[Doc]

1 minute ago, May Day 10 said:

I laughed at both the Hyde and poyer acquisitions.  I know nothing

 

I thought the Hyde signing was excellent.  Knew nothing about Poyer but felt that coming from Cleveland couldn't be good.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Just think its a waste of money.

 

How much are we paying him?

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, May Day 10 said:

I laughed at both the Hyde and poyer acquisitions.  I know nothing

This is not even close. Poyer and Hyde were starters on nfl rosters for multiple years. This guy is barely a practice squad player. 

[BigAl2526]

He impressed at his pro day running a 4.44 at 6'2" and 206 lbs.  Coming out of college, he was seen as lacking toughness and tackling ability.  I would guess he needed to get a lot stronger.  Where he is at this point in his development is anyone's guess.  Worth a shot as a fringe player with possible upside.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, ngbills said:

This is not even close. Poyer and Hyde were starters on nfl rosters for multiple years. This guy is barely a practice squad player. 

 

Hyde was (he had started about 2 season's worth of games in his first 4 years before joining the Bills).  Poyer's first starting experience was in his 3rd season in the league in 2015, when he started 4 out of 14 games throughout the year.  He started the first 6 games of 2016 before going on IR. 

[JerseyBills]

On 2/17/2023 at 4:20 PM, billieve420 said:

We sure love to focus on special teams. Meh wake me up when we start making some moves on offense.

It's very important.  I'd rather have Hodgins for example over a ST ace but especially with a kicker like Bass that can get you great hang time inside the 5, we routinely stopped teams inside the 20 the last cpl years. 

[NewEra]

I bet he would’ve knocked down the pass on 4th and 18

[Don Otreply]

 What is with this unhealthy affection for special teams players???

[Nextmanup]

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

 What is with this unhealthy affection for special teams players???

It's McDermott.  He's your classic, ultra conservative, old-school, "football" guy.

 

These guys preach "win in the trenches", "ground and pound," the wild dangerous foolishness of going for it on 4th down, and MASSIVELY over-value the special teams game as being "one=third of the game."

 

It's not.

 

In fairness, McDermott has grown as a coach and has overcome some of his timid nature during games.  His record for going for it on 4th down in particular is pretty darned good.  

 

But it'll take forever to totally transform him into a current, 21st century football mind.

 

 

[Don Otreply]

14 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

It's McDermott.  He's your classic, ultra conservative, old-school, "football" guy.

 

These guys preach "win in the trenches", "ground and pound," the wild dangerous foolishness of going for it on 4th down, and MASSIVELY over-value the special teams game as being "one=third of the game."

 

It's not.

 

In fairness, McDermott has grown as a coach and has overcome some of his timid nature during games.  His record for going for it on 4th down in particular is pretty darned good.  

 

But it'll take forever to totally transform him into a current, 21st century football mind.

 

 

Yup, that STs 1/3 of the game nonsense has wasted a lot of roster spots and related money over the years,  STs is and always will be the red headed step child of NFL teams/players, its rare that anyone actually cares about  STs,, its just coach talk/lip service.

Edited February 19, 2023 by Don Otreply

[nucci]

24 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Yup, that STs 1/3 of the game nonsense has wasted a lot of roster spots and related money over the years,  STs is and always will be the red headed step child of NFL teams/players, its rare that anyone actually cares about  STs,, its just coach talk/lip service.

you just need a good FG kicker

[Doc]

This off-season will tell us a lot about McD.  If he tries to load up on defense rather than offense, the clock will start ticking.

Edited February 19, 2023 by Doc

[RocCityRoller]

20 hours ago, ngbills said:

This is not even close. Poyer and Hyde were starters on nfl rosters for multiple years. This guy is barely a practice squad player. 

 

Ehm I have to disagree. Both Poyer and Hyde had been named a starting S for only 1 season each, and neither played 16 games as a starter in their respective starting season as a S (Poyer - 6/ Hyde -12)

 

Poyer:

2013 - Poyer was named 4th CB for Eagles in 2013 waived after 6 games. (2 a healthy scratch)

2013 - 2015  backup SS in Cleveland from remainder of 2013 through 2015.

2016 - He won the starting FS job in 2016, but was put on IR after 6 games.

Poyer was hardly proven. In total he started 10 games in 4 seasons prior to joining Buffalo.

 

Hyde was a utility DB in Green Bay. Drafted as a CB.

2013 - 5th CB

2014 - transitioned to starting FS (started 12 games)

2015 - starting Nickel CB and backup FS. Forced to start at SS for 5 games due to injury (7 total starts)

2016 - starting Nickel and backup SS. Packers did not make an official offer to retain him (11 total starts)

In total Hyde started 33 games out of 63 in Green Bay. Never was able to hold a starting position and was moved around the secondary to get his 33 starts.

 

Both guys had trouble cracking the starting line-up for their respective teams, much less hold down a S position.

CLE and GB had good S in guys like  TJ Ward/ Tashaun Gipson/ Morgan Burnett and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix.

 

Credit to both the players and the staff for turning them into an excellent S duo.

I think Hyde and Poyer both have very high football IQ which is needed in this scheme, and they had the athleticism to perform.

 

I don't know if Zane Anderson is found gold, but this coaching staff does get the most out of DB ability.

If nothing else it may free up ST cap space (Matakevitch/ T Jones etc) and upgrade the S room.

Should replace J Johnson as one backup S, and potentially fill in for Hamlin given we don't know how Hamlin will progress this offseason.

 

I expect to see a S drafted in the first 3-4 rounds.

Edited February 19, 2023 by RocCityRoller

[ngbills]

3 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Ehm I have to disagree. Both Poyer and Hyde had been named a starting S for only 1 season each, and neither played 16 games as a starter in their respective starting season as a S (Poyer - 6/ Hyde -12)

 

Poyer:

2013 - Poyer was named 4th CB for Eagles in 2013 waived after 6 games. (2 a healthy scratch)

2013 - 2015  backup SS in Cleveland from remainder of 2013 through 2015.

2016 - He won the starting FS job in 2016, but was put on IR after 6 games.

Poyer was hardly proven. In total he started 10 games in 4 seasons prior to joining Buffalo.

 

Hyde was a utility DB in Green Bay. Drafted as a CB.

2013 - 5th CB

2014 - transitioned to starting FS (started 12 games)

2015 - starting Nickel CB and backup FS. Forced to start at SS for 5 games due to injury (7 total starts)

2016 - starting Nickel and backup SS. Packers did not make an official offer to retain him (11 total starts)

In total Hyde started 33 games out of 63 in Green Bay. Never was able to hold a starting position and was moved around the secondary to get his 33 starts.

 

Both guys had trouble cracking the starting line-up for their respective teams, much less hold down a S position.

CLE and GB had good S in guys like  TJ Ward/ Tashaun Gipson/ Morgan Burnett and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix.

 

Credit to both the players and the staff for turning them into an excellent S duo.

I think Hyde and Poyer both have very high football IQ which is needed in this scheme, and they had the athleticism to perform.

 

I don't know if Zane Anderson is found gold, but this coaching staff does get the most out of DB ability.

If nothing else it may free up ST cap space (Matakevitch/ T Jones etc) and upgrade the S room.

Should replace J Johnson as one backup S, and potentially fill in for Hamlin given we don't know how Hamlin will progress this offseason.

 

I expect to see a S drafted in the first 3-4 rounds.

Do the same for Anderson. How many plays on defense does he have? He has less plays than any of our back up safety. Why would anyone think he is even better than Marlowe or Johnson let alone similar to Hyde and Poyer? That is dream land. I would put my money on a rookie over this guy. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

Do the same for Anderson. How many plays on defense does he have? He has less plays than any of our back up safety. Why would anyone think he is even better than Marlowe or Johnson let alone similar to Hyde and Poyer? That is dream land. I would put my money on a rookie over this guy. 

 

Totally agree, he is a dark horse for a good S prospect.  The best I hope for is S depth and to replace Siran Neal as a ST guy for a $2M savings.

[ngbills]

Poyer 1000+ snaps before signing

Hyde 2500+ snaps before signing

 

Anderson 0 in 2 years

4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Totally agree, he is a dark horse for a good S prospect.  The best I hope for is S depth and to replace Siran Neal as a ST guy for a $2M savings.

Exactly. He is hopefully a low cost special teamer that can possibly get in a snap on D if needed. Best case is he replaces Taiwan Jones role who is strictly ST. 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, ngbills said:

Do the same for Anderson. How many plays on defense does he have? He has less plays than any of our back up safety. Why would anyone think he is even better than Marlowe or Johnson let alone similar to Hyde and Poyer? That is dream land. I would put my money on a rookie over this guy. 

 

He did.  He was saying that they were largely unproven, like Anderson.  You were making it seem like they were proven players before joining the Bills, which, at least in Poyer's case, was far from the case.

[BILLieve85]

8 hours ago, nucci said:

you just need a good FG kicker

Add a punter who doesn’t kill you. That’s all you need

[John from Riverside]

I know absolutely nothing about this guy. Is he strictly a special teams guy or does he have the chops to actually play the safety position?

[RocCityRoller]

18 hours ago, ngbills said:

Do the same for Anderson. How many plays on defense does he have? He has less plays than any of our back up safety. Why would anyone think he is even better than Marlowe or Johnson let alone similar to Hyde and Poyer? That is dream land. I would put my money on a rookie over this guy. 

 

I was replying to someone to correct them that  'Poyer and Hyde were starters on nfl rosters for multiple years.' They were not.

 

No where did I say Anderson was any better better than Poyer and Hyde. But hey have fun making up arguments with yourself.

 

Oh by the way I think he is better than J Johnson because he has a pulse. OBD thought so highly of him that they brought Marlowe back and played him before putting Johnson on the field.

13 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I know absolutely nothing about this guy. Is he strictly a special teams guy or does he have the chops to actually play the safety position?

don't know yet, he had 110 ST snaps over 2 seasons

Edited February 20, 2023 by RocCityRoller

[MrEpsYtown]

On 2/19/2023 at 8:21 PM, John from Riverside said:

I know absolutely nothing about this guy. Is he strictly a special teams guy or does he have the chops to actually play the safety position?

His workout numbers imply that he should be able to play there with a 4.44 forty and a big time 3 cone. 

[Never NEVER Give-up]

 

On 2/17/2023 at 5:07 PM, Beck Water said:

 

You might want to distinctly revamp and revise your distinct remembrances because this guy has played zero, no, nada, 0, snaps on defense for the Chiefs in the last two seasons. Therefore, he can not have been burnt by Josh nor chased our receivers into the end zone.  Therefore your memories are...mistaken

 

Yes, he's an add with special teams in mind, and possibly also for some brain-picking about how the Chiefs prepare and pre-game for playoffs.

What would this site do without a walking encyclopedia like you?

[freddyjj]

On 2/20/2023 at 7:54 AM, RocCityRoller said:

I was replying to someone to correct them that  'Poyer and Hyde were starters on nfl rosters for multiple years.' They were not

Hyde started 33 games over 4 years with Packers.   

 

Never realized Poyer had 10 starts in his last 2 years in CLE and won the starting safety role out of training camp in 2016.  He had a season ending internal organ injury in game 6 that year.  

[May Day 10]

On 2/19/2023 at 11:23 AM, RocCityRoller said:

 

Ehm I have to disagree. Both Poyer and Hyde had been named a starting S for only 1 season each, and neither played 16 games as a starter in their respective starting season as a S (Poyer - 6/ Hyde -12)

 

Poyer:

2013 - Poyer was named 4th CB for Eagles in 2013 waived after 6 games. (2 a healthy scratch)

2013 - 2015  backup SS in Cleveland from remainder of 2013 through 2015.

2016 - He won the starting FS job in 2016, but was put on IR after 6 games.

Poyer was hardly proven. In total he started 10 games in 4 seasons prior to joining Buffalo.

 

Hyde was a utility DB in Green Bay. Drafted as a CB.

2013 - 5th CB

2014 - transitioned to starting FS (started 12 games)

2015 - starting Nickel CB and backup FS. Forced to start at SS for 5 games due to injury (7 total starts)

2016 - starting Nickel and backup SS. Packers did not make an official offer to retain him (11 total starts)

In total Hyde started 33 games out of 63 in Green Bay. Never was able to hold a starting position and was moved around the secondary to get his 33 starts.

 

Both guys had trouble cracking the starting line-up for their respective teams, much less hold down a S position.

CLE and GB had good S in guys like  TJ Ward/ Tashaun Gipson/ Morgan Burnett and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix.

 

Credit to both the players and the staff for turning them into an excellent S duo.

I think Hyde and Poyer both have very high football IQ which is needed in this scheme, and they had the athleticism to perform.

 

I don't know if Zane Anderson is found gold, but this coaching staff does get the most out of DB ability.

If nothing else it may free up ST cap space (Matakevitch/ T Jones etc) and upgrade the S room.

Should replace J Johnson as one backup S, and potentially fill in for Hamlin given we don't know how Hamlin will progress this offseason.

 

I expect to see a S drafted in the first 3-4 rounds.

 

This was all part of my original comment referring to my knee jerk feelings on those signings.

 

When we got those guys, Hyde in particular, I saw a castoff/unwanted safety from Green Bay.  Possible special-teamer.  Same-old Bills.  Poyer didnt move the needle for me either.  

 

Fast-forward to today and they are both wall-of-famers.  

 

I dont mean to imply that will always be the case, or even with Anderson... but with this coach, especially with the defensive backfield, I am willing to let them do their thing.  I am hesitant to criticize an acquisition lest be made the fool (again).  

[ColoradoBills]

Contract is in.  2 years for a total of $1.995M with that whopping $10k signing bonus.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/zayne-anderson-72719/

[No_Matter_What]

25 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Contract is in.  2 years for a total of $1.995M with that whopping $10k signing bonus.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/zayne-anderson-72719/

Haha I saw new post in this thread saw your avatar and knew before opening it that details are on and you posted it

 

So you were right about bonus. So no complaints from my side. I really hope Beane keeps it this way.

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, No_Matter_What said:

Haha I saw new post in this thread saw your avatar and knew before opening it that details are on and you posted it

 

So you were right about bonus. So no complaints from my side. I really hope Beane keeps it this way.

 

Yep, it looks like he will go to camp and compete with a guy like Siran Neal.  If he plays well enough on ST and can be of worth

as S depth replacing Siran for the next 2 years saves around $4M and Zayne will still be an RFA in 2025.  If he is better at S than

I expect he will be a steal.

 

I kind of like these type of players with these types of contracts.  No risk with a chance of a decent reward.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

On 2/17/2023 at 4:20 PM, billieve420 said:

We sure love to focus on special teams. Meh wake me up when we start making some moves on offense.

 

We need the gunners for when we kick it through the end zone with a lead and 13 seconds left

[LyndonvilleBill]

On 2/19/2023 at 9:15 AM, Don Otreply said:

 What is with this unhealthy affection for special teams players???

Their "Special"?😉😁