GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Al is a pretty highly regarded coach. His stint in Arizona as Steve Wilkes' DC in that ill fated one and done definitely knocked his career back a step or two. But his stint as interim DC at the end of last season in Carolina was better. I get the snark on the Carolina connection, but this is a pretty good coach added to the staff. It can't hurt. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 9 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: Could also point to people like Dan Morgan (SEA), Joe Schoen (NYG) Don't disagree with your overall point, but Schoen and Morgan were Carolina guys. Morgan played for them there, Schoen was an intern with Beane and then an area scout. Never worked with McD there but his relationship with Beane comes from Carolina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, schoolhouserock said: Holcomb has been a DC before - on two different teams. This is the exact opposite of desperation. It is forward thinking/contingency planning. Frazier won’t be here for forever. I don’t see how folks think this is a bad hiring. They now have 5 DC’s on the staff. McDermott, Frazier, Washington, Butler, and Holcomb. Carolina LB Shaq Thompson a likely release In Carolina. Could be Edmunds short-term replacement. Edited February 9, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Wow! I can’t believe the emphatic negativity about a guy nobody knows much about. He may end up being a good addition to the staff. None of us is in a position to know otherwise. At least until week 2 of next season...😁 Edited February 9, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Wow! I can’t believe the emphatic negativity about a guy nobody knows much about. He may end up being a good addition to the staff. None of us is in a position to know otherwise. Well, when we hired McDermott all the talk was about Carolina’s LBs. This is the guy that coached the best unit in football Keuchley, Davis, Klein, and Thompson. He didn’t do much as a DC though. Holcomb could be a sign they’re going with a young LB group next year and need his help developing and preparing a young group. Edited February 9, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 12 hours ago, Chaos said: What does a senior defensive assistant do? Getting ready to replace Frazier after next years playoff failure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Don't disagree with your overall point, but Schoen and Morgan were Carolina guys. Morgan played for them there, Schoen was an intern with Beane and then an area scout. Never worked with McD there but his relationship with Beane comes from Carolina Fair enough, I didn’t remember the Schoen connection. Morgan didn’t play for McDermott… he was a scouting intern with Seattle when McDermott was still with Philadelphia… but Morgan was a player at the same time Beane was a personnel assistant. I’m not sure how much of a relationship there was, but you can draw a connection. Appreciate you fact checking me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Would be smart to get rid of Frazier and make McDermott the DC, with Holcomb as his assistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 10 hours ago, balln said: Here’s the analogy folks …… Nate Hackett hired a senior assistant Hc or offensive senior assistant when he botched the first 3 games this year in Denver let that sink in Yeah it's an analogy and it's pretty stupid. 11 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: You made the comment they have a tough time going out of their comfort zone/circle with the Carolina connection. You really want me to do this? The Bills have 26 members listed under their coaching staff (not including McDermott)… Al Holcomb will be #27. These are the guys who crossed over in Carolina (6): Ken Dorsey Bobby Babich Mike Shula Eric Washington Matt Worswick Al Holcomb These are the guys who don’t have any Carolina connection (21): Leslie Frazier Matthew Smiley Rob Boras Joe Brady John Butler Joe Danna Chad Hall Aaron Kromer Jaylon Finner Austin Gund Cory Harkey Marc Lubick Kyle Shurmur Kelly Skipper Ryan Wendell Marcus West Eric Ciano Will Greenberg Hal Luther Nick Lacy Jason Oszvart Looking at the front office quick… they have 9 people with VP, Director or Assistant Director titles in football operations. No Carolina connection (9): Jim Overdorf Kevin Meganck Brian Gaine Terrance Gray Malik Boyd Matt Bazirgan Lake Dawson Chris Marrow Curtus Rukavina So what? 36 people across coaching and football operations and 6 of them have ties to Carolina. Could also point to people like Dan Morgan (SEA), Joe Schoen (NYG) and Brian Daboll (NYG) as guys outside their comfort zone who were brought in to fill roles on the staff. There’s also David Culley, Bobby Johnson, Shea Tierney, Bob Babich, Jim Salgado, Danny Crossman and Heath Farwell. Ask him how much he loved Daboll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 27 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Would be smart to get rid of Frazier and make McDermott the DC, with Holcomb as his assistant. Yup it’s time for McD to start holding a play chart like all the other good coaches do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Yup it’s time for McD to start holding a play chart like all the other good coaches do. I would love to see if the issue is Frazier or if Frazier is just a puppet to McDermott and his D is really the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 I had no idea who this guy was when I saw the news but told my wife he was probably from Carolina....low and behold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 46 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Would be smart to get rid of Frazier and make McDermott the DC, with Holcomb as his assistant. And for HC? 🤔 * WGR already had a jingle written for Sal Capaccio. Maybe a TBD-TSWer as a 'HC of the Week'? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 11 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: If you know he's horrible and you know he's done then why waste a final year with him calling the same crap? I agree. Just my guess, McD is giving Frazier a pass with the season ending injuries to Von Miller and Micah Hyde. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: And for HC? 🤔 * WGR already had a jingle written for Sal Capaccio. Maybe a TBD-TSWer as a 'HC of the Week'? 🤔 Many HC also runs their respective sides of the ball, including the two teams in the Super Bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Success said: I wish there was not a Carolina connection. It really begs the question - are you only comfortable hiring guys you already know? McCaffery played for Carolina but somehow we didnt have any interest in getting him. But If Carolina offer anything from the clearance bin, we seem to jump at the chance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Again who? How many senior defensive assistants can you name off the top of your head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Chaos said: What does a senior defensive assistant do? Probably something similar to what a senior offensive assistant named Mike Shula does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 anger! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Back2Buff said: Many HC also runs their respective sides of the ball, including the two teams in the Super Bowl. Come to think of it, I seem to recall McDermott stepping into a game where he didn't like what he saw was happening on defense a few years back. A quick Google search didn't find specifics regarding that incident. Edited February 9, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent Hulka Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Success said: I wish there was not a Carolina connection. It really begs the question - are you only comfortable hiring guys you already know? It's also indicative that this management are stuck on familiar in other aspects; they are not innovative, and that makes them easier to predict and counter. 15 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: Where was this comment when they fired a coach who had been on staff since 2017 and replaced him with Joe Danna who has no connection to McBeane? 😂 A broken clock... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent Hulka Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Wow! I can’t believe the emphatic negativity about a guy nobody knows much about. He may end up being a good addition to the staff. None of us is in a position to know otherwise. Experience says otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent Hulka Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 14 hours ago, Rc2catch said: What a toxic place this has become. Yikes. Fresh air and grass would do some of y’all some good. Why is dissent toxic? This management has us in cap hell, has drafted poorly, have no accountability, and have not progressed. You sound appeased! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Breaking: TBD's investigative journalists have uncovered signs of cronyism in NFL coaching circles. Evidence suggests nearly every hire involved a prior relationship with an existing member of the staff. News at 10, February 9, 1966. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Winning teams hire the coaches children to assistant positions. The fact that neither Madeline or Gavin is holding a clipboard is a real indictment on McD as a coach and a father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 26 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Come to think of it, I seem to recall McDermott stepping into a game where he didn't like what he as happening on defense a few years back. A quick Google search didn't find specifics regarding that incident. Second half of the game against the chargers in 2018. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 6 pages for this scandalous hiring?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Augie said: If we joined the ‘72 Dolphins as the only other undefeated team and SB Champs, our strength of schedule would be too weak, and our point differential would be disappointing. With some….. Let's do that and see how I feel about it. Right now we have what can only be described as a perennial playoff disappointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 16 hours ago, balln said: I mean ….. your head HC is a defensive coach. You don’t fire your DC….. so why hire a senior defensive coach????? It’s bizarre Don’t need a bandaid ! Need an overhaul ! Just following the Nate Hackett example of hiring a coach to coach the head coach…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent Hulka Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 14 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: You made the comment they have a tough time going out of their comfort zone/circle with the Carolina connection. You really want me to do this? The Bills have 26 members listed under their coaching staff (not including McDermott)… Al Holcomb will be #27. These are the guys who crossed over in Carolina (6): Ken Dorsey Bobby Babich Mike Shula Eric Washington Matt Worswick Al Holcomb These are the guys who don’t have any Carolina connection (21): Leslie Frazier Matthew Smiley Rob Boras Joe Brady John Butler Joe Danna Chad Hall Aaron Kromer Jaylon Finner Austin Gund Cory Harkey Marc Lubick Kyle Shurmur Kelly Skipper Ryan Wendell Marcus West Eric Ciano Will Greenberg Hal Luther Nick Lacy Jason Oszvart Looking at the front office quick… they have 9 people with VP, Director or Assistant Director titles in football operations. No Carolina connection (9): Jim Overdorf Kevin Meganck Brian Gaine Terrance Gray Malik Boyd Matt Bazirgan Lake Dawson Chris Marrow Curtus Rukavina So what? 36 people across coaching and football operations and 6 of them have ties to Carolina. Could also point to people like Dan Morgan (SEA), Joe Schoen (NYG) and Brian Daboll (NYG) as guys outside their comfort zone who were brought in to fill roles on the staff. There’s also David Culley, Bobby Johnson, Shea Tierney, Bob Babich, Jim Salgado, Danny Crossman and Heath Farwell. As a subset of Carolina connected coaching and football ops, you have to include McDermott and Beane. That makes 8 out of 36. But, you completely left out the gaggle of former Carolina players, from Mike Tolbert to Mario Addison, and every one in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 hours ago, nucci said: Replace Frazier when he leaves Leslie Frazier is 64. I would guess Bobby Babich is probably in line to be the team's next DC sooner rather than later. He is currently the LBs coach. Al Holcomb is a well respected LB coach in the NFL and has been a DC in two different places. Read between the lines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said: Leslie Frazier is 64. I would guess Bobby Babich is probably in line to be the team's next DC sooner rather than later. He is currently the LBs coach. Al Holcomb is a well respected LB coach in the NFL and has been a DC in two different places. Read between the lines. well, it is what it is....you never know, only time will tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 28 minutes ago, Sargent Hulka said: Why is dissent toxic? This management has us in cap hell, has drafted poorly, have no accountability, and have not progressed. You sound appeased! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 What is more interesting is that Al Holcomb is going to be called "Senior defensive assistant" when the Bills already have Eric Washington on staff as "senior defensive assistant/DL coach." I haven't seen too many instances where a team has 2 senior assistants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 12 hours ago, Starr Almighty said: You might want to read this https://theathletic.com/3169524/2022/03/09/joe-brady-wasnt-the-bills-first-choice-but-hiring-him-as-their-new-qbs-coach-is-a-coup/ Brady worked for Carolina years after McDermott had already left. I’m failing to see the significance. By the time Brady was hired in Carolina there was a new head coach (who came from the college ranks and had no ties to McDermott), a new GM and a new owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 28 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said: Leslie Frazier is 64. I would guess Bobby Babich is probably in line to be the team's next DC sooner rather than later. He is currently the LBs coach. Al Holcomb is a well respected LB coach in the NFL and has been a DC in two different places. Read between the lines. There is definitely a possibility Frazier retires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 4 hours ago, TAinLA said: Getting ready to replace Frazier after next years playoff failure. I guess....God forbid we make the change now. But sure let's waste another year with Frazier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 16 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Here is what I believe they desperately wanted to add Steve Wilkes to the staff the 49ers gave him an offer he couldn’t refuse…Bills went with plan B his defensive coordinator I was hoping for Wilkes, as well. It seemed to me a way to bring in a more aggressive philosophy without changing scheme, thereby avoiding player turnover. Hopefully this hiring is a message to Frazier that the heat has been turned up and if he doesn't adjust the way he calls the defense his time is up. I'm sick of hearing commentators say "Leslie Frazier blitzes less than anyone else in the league" while they're trying to fill the dead air as opposing QBs are chillin' in the pocket. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sargent Hulka said: As a subset of Carolina connected coaching and football ops, you have to include McDermott and Beane. That makes 8 out of 36. But, you completely left out the gaggle of former Carolina players, from Mike Tolbert to Mario Addison, and every one in between. I said in my post excluding McDermott and it was implied with Beane… so it’s 8/38… because you’d have to add them to the denominator. Semantics. We weren’t talking about players… the discussion was about staff. Edited February 9, 2023 by JGMcD2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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