Buffalo Boy Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 26 minutes ago, Mango said: I don't get the hype. Maybe he is a good coach, even great, but I don't know where anybody would draw that from. His 2 years in San Diego his offenses were bad. He didn't call the plays in Philly. And 2016 Carson Wentz was meh. When given the opportunity to make something of Carson Wentz without Pederson it flopped. He got 4.8 ypc out of Zach Moss, so maybe he would be an upgrade? Didn’t know about not calling plays. Had three of 4 winning full seasons with Indy with a different QB every year. Showed the ability to create an amazing rushing attack which almost beat us in the playoffs ,except for some questionable Reich decisions and Rivers falling apart on last drive. He is a legit coach. We shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 56 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: He's going to need a Defensive Coordinator... I'll even come up from Florida to help him pack. 37 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I was hoping we would have at least spoken to him ! I honestly don't think they are going to talk to anyone. All indications I've seen are that Dorsey's job is safe for at least another year. We might make a move with DC, but not likely with the OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Didn’t know about not calling plays. Had three of 4 winning full seasons with Indy with a different QB every year. Showed the ability to create an amazing rushing attack which almost beat us in the playoffs ,except for some questionable Reich decisions and Rivers falling apart on last drive. He is a legit coach. We shall see. I think he is likely a good coach to come in and stabilize an organization. But I think the super high praise as an OC or HC candidate is largely hometown driven. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 I did not expect this. I thought Reich would be an OC for another team before he got a new head coaching gig. Good for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 58 minutes ago, Draconator said: Having one really bad season with a string of washed-up QBs and a lunatic owner wouldn't exactly classify as running a team into the ground. Turning the premier offensive line in football into one of the worst ones assuredly would tho...especially when you have All-World G Quentin Nelson healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 So much for a lot of the conversation around here talking about bringing Frank HERE! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, ExWNYer said: He's going to need a Defensive Coordinator... All fun and games until they promote from within and it’s the same defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted January 26, 2023 Author Share Posted January 26, 2023 12 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Turning the premier offensive line in football into one of the worst ones assuredly would tho...especially when you have All-World G Quentin Nelson healthy. It's the QB that makes the offensive line great. A bad QB makes the o-line not as good. Name one good, not great QB since Luck in Indy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: Frank had top-10 offenses for many of his years with recycled QBs: Year. Rank. PPG. 2018 – 5th – 27.1 (Luck) 2019 – 16th – 22.6 (Brissett) 2020 – 9th – 28.2 (Rivers) 2021 – 9th – 26.5 (Wentz) 2022 – 30th – 16.1 (Ryan) he did a decent amount with admittedly very little at QB. Hopefully he can get his guy and find some success down there I mean, he traded a first and a third for Carson Wentz. His only other swings at QB were Eason and Ehlinger. The big one for me as an OC is that he had an opportunity to revive Wentz and it flopped without Pederson. That to me says that Pederson was the secret sauce not Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 27 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: I did not expect this. I thought Reich would be an OC for another team before he got a new head coaching gig. Good for him. Charlotte or Buffalo were the two most logical landing spots. I have unintentionally pooped on him up thread. I think he is a good stable coach, but not a game changer. He likely has more "hometown hype" than anything else at this point. Reich planted roots in Charlotte. He got a degree in theology there and was pastor at a local church until he was hired in Indianapolis. Quote Throughout Reich's NFL career, he remained a devout Christian. He is a motivational speaker utilizing the great comebacks and the importance of God as a main keynote of his speeches. He credits the song "In Christ Alone" by Michael English as his inspiration. Reich attended the Charlotte Campus of Reformed Theological Seminary in Charlotte[33] and he earned a Master of Divinity degree. He served as president of RTS' Charlotte campus from 2003 to 2006.[34] Reich was also a pastor at Ballantyne Presbyterian until he moved to Indianapolis.[35] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Reich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 16 minutes ago, Draconator said: It's the QB that makes the offensive line great. A bad QB makes the o-line not as good. Name one good, not great QB since Luck in Indy To a degree but their pass protection would never really even let you see what you have. They were every bit as bad as the Bills if not worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Great hire for Carolina. Hope Beane considered bringing in Steve Wilks and kick Frazier to the curb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: and the Carolina Buffalo connection continues.... Too bad McCaffrey isn't there still 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: Poor Steve Wilks... He went 6-6. Frank Riech is a much better hire. Not many teams are hiring defensive minded HC anymore. Hopefully we consider Wilks as a DC here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Mark Vader said: I did not expect this. I thought Reich would be an OC for another team before he got a new head coaching gig. Good for him. I think when teams flop on a young first time coach they kinda gravitate towards a more experienced coach next time around. I’m not shocked at all by this hire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Billz4ever said: I'll even come up from Florida to help him pack. I honestly don't think they are going to talk to anyone. All indications I've seen are that Dorsey's job is safe for at least another year. We might make a move with DC, but not likely with the OC. I hope you are incorrect here. Some changes need to be made. But which ones ? Dorsey did Not show growth through out this season, and more so to finish out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I hope you are incorrect here. Some changes need to be made. But which ones ? Dorsey did Not show growth through out this season, and more so to finish out If you happened to listen to Beane's and McD's pressers, the takeaway for me regarding Dorsey was that his job is safe. That's just my opinion based on what they said, but that's the feeling I got from both. Edited January 26, 2023 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Draconator said: Having one really bad season with a string of washed-up QBs and a lunatic owner wouldn't exactly classify as running a team into the ground. His QBs in CArolina are Mayfield and Darnold. Plus, he was the HC when those "washed up QB" decisions were made---one after another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: His QBs in CArolina are Mayfield and Darnold. Plus, he was the HC when those "washed up QB" decisions were made---one after another. Mayfield is a FA who finished the season on the Rams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said: Mayfield is a FA who finished the season on the Rams. Oh that's right forgot all about the "SB Champs"! So it's Darnold and Walker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: His QBs in CArolina are Mayfield and Darnold. Plus, he was the HC when those "washed up QB" decisions were made---one after another. Mayfield finished the season on the Rams & Darnold is a free agent. His QBs are Matt Corral, PJ Walker (RFA) & if they want him Jacob Eason. He needs to sign/trade for a veteran. Carson Wentz? 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted January 26, 2023 Author Share Posted January 26, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: His QBs in CArolina are Mayfield and Darnold. Plus, he was the HC when those "washed up QB" decisions were made---one after another. Mayfield was released and is with the Rams. Did you take a nap mid-season? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tierlifer Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Draconator said: Mayfield was released and is with the Rams. Did you take a nap mid-season? I wish I took a nap last Sunday around 3:00 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 DAM DAM DAM lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Probably still getting paid by the Colts….can’t afford a new hire and also payoff Rhule. Tepper is cheap… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Oh that's right forgot all about the "SB Champs"! So it's Darnold and Walker. 7 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Mayfield finished the season on the Rams & Darnold is a free agent. His QBs are Matt Corral, PJ Walker (RFA) & if they want him Jacob Eason. He needs to sign/trade for a veteran. Carson Wentz? 😄 6 minutes ago, Draconator said: Mayfield was released and is with the Rams. Did you take a nap mid-season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 2 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: Or Dorseys babysitter LOL A pairing as good as Mary Cooper and her son Sheldon. 😁 11 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Carson Wentz? 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: His QBs in CArolina are Mayfield and Darnold. Plus, he was the HC when those "washed up QB" decisions were made---one after another. I think his time was basically up when they traded a 1 and 3 for Wentz and it didn’t work out. The whole point of the move is to recreate the efficiency they had in Philly. But ultimately it turned out that Pederson was the secret sauce. Suddenly Indy was left with a bad contract, down significant draft capital, and no answer at QB….again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 56 minutes ago, wppete said: He went 6-6. Frank Riech is a much better hire. Not many teams are hiring defensive minded HC anymore. Hopefully we consider Wilks as a DC here. Frank Reich was 3-5-1 before he was fired by Indy. A "much better hire" based on what? Wilks did more with a less talented roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 As crazy as it might sound, I see the Panthers throwing the bag of money at Daniel Jones. Born and raised in Charlotte, went to Duke, good fit with Reich, still young. DJ Moore is really good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Mango said: I mean, he traded a first and a third for Carson Wentz. His only other swings at QB were Eason and Ehlinger. The big one for me as an OC is that he had an opportunity to revive Wentz and it flopped without Pederson. That to me says that Pederson was the secret sauce not Frank. Frank Reich did not trade for QB front office did. It is possible that Wentz cannot be revived. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 44 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: If you happened to listen to Beane's and McD's pressers, the takeaway for me regarding Dorsey was that his job is safe. That's just my opinion based on what they said, but that's the feeling I got from both. yes. it was a concern for me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Frank Reich did not trade for QB front office did. It is possible that Wentz cannot be revived. Ok, so let’s go down that path. You would think Ballard made that decision unilaterally? Or he asked Reich and Reich was like “nah, we got lucky for a year or two in Philly, he’s trash.” Then Ballard did it anyways? It’s not a total coincidence that they spent resources on Reich’s former starting QB right after they brought in his other former QB in Rivers. A lot of mental gymnastics to keep Reichs legendary status intact. I don’t think Reich sucks. I do think he’s “meh”. A good stabilizing coach for a franchise that has been a mess, but not a guy to get you over the hump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mango said: Ok, so let’s go down that path. You would think Ballard made that decision unilaterally? Or he asked Reich and Reich was like “nah, we got lucky for a year or two in Philly, he’s trash.” Then Ballard did it anyways? It’s not a total coincidence that they spent resources on Reich’s former starting QB right after they brought in his other former QB in Rivers. A lot of mental gymnastics to keep Reichs legendary status intact. I don’t think Reich sucks. I do think he’s “meh”. A good stabilizing coach for a franchise that has been a mess, but not a guy to get you over the hump. There's no chance that Frank had no choice with Wentz, Ryan.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Surprised at this move by Carolina. Steve Wilks performed COTY miracles there. That team was running through walls for that man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 35 minutes ago, Mango said: Ok, so let’s go down that path. You would think Ballard made that decision unilaterally? Or he asked Reich and Reich was like “nah, we got lucky for a year or two in Philly, he’s trash.” Then Ballard did it anyways? It’s not a total coincidence that they spent resources on Reich’s former starting QB right after they brought in his other former QB in Rivers. A lot of mental gymnastics to keep Reichs legendary status intact. I don’t think Reich sucks. I do think he’s “meh”. A good stabilizing coach for a franchise that has been a mess, but not a guy to get you over the hump. No I do not think he made it unilaterally. Most working front offices consult with HC on picks but they choose possible candidates for head coach to look at. What were other choices he was given? How long of a leash was he given? Wentz was a bad trade IMO and blaming Reich on it is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Congrats to Frank! Meanwhile Bills junior level OC has no oversight from our defensive minded HC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 this is the first logical step to becoming the Bills OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 A Reich organized offense would have been the finest gelato compared to Dorsey's low budget vanilla! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Dang so Dorsey stays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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